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    Mid-late 80's they were cheap, and we didn't mind long stopovers.

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    Seven more airports opened for domestic flights

    The Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand (CAAT) has added seven airports to the list of airports that are allowed to reopen for domestic flights, effective from Saturday (June 6).


    CAAT director-general Chula Sukmanop announced on Friday (June 5) that the seven airports include Tak, Trad, Nakhon Ratchasima, Narathiwat, Pai, Phetchabun and Sukhothai. “The CAAT decided to open these airports in compliance with the government’s easing of lockdown measures to tackle Covid-19,” he said. “The opening hours of these airports will be restricted to between 6am and 8pm.”

    According to CAAT list, airports that are open for domestic flights are: Khon Kaen, Chumphon, Tak, Trad, Trang, Nakhon Phanom, Nakhon Ratchasima, Nakhon Si Thammarat, Nan Nakhon, Narathiwat, Buri Ram, Pai, Phitsanulok, Phetchabun, Phrae, Mae Sot, Mae Hong Son, Ranong, Roi Et, Loei, Lampang, Sakon Nakhon, Sukhothai, Udon Thani and Ubon Ratchathani.

    The following airports are open for domestic and international flights: Krabi, Chiang Mai, Don Mueang, Mae Fah Luang Chiang Rai, Samui, Suvarnabhumi, Surat Thani, Hat Yai, Hua Hin and U-Tapao.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    “The opening hours of these airports will be restricted to between 6am and 8pm.”
    1. before COVID-19, how many flights per day fell outside these hours at those airports?
    2. what difference would it make to the spread if flights were to arrive or depart after 8 pm?

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    Eased rules for inbound flights set to facilitate travel

    By WANG KEJU in Beijing and DONG LESHUO in Washington | China Daily | Updated: 2020-06-05 10:45

    "With the COVID-19 epidemic gradually easing in China, the country's top aviation regulator announced on Thursday an increase in international flights, a move that experts said will facilitate passenger flows and help Chinese stranded abroad to come home.

    While international flight restrictions imposed on March 29 remain in effect, overseas airlines that currently cannot operate flights to China will be permitted once-per-week flights into one of 37 cities of their choosing starting on Monday, according to a statement issued by the Civil Aviation Administration of China.


    The policy adjustment is expected to add 50 international flights in and out of China every week, and the average number of daily inbound passengers would rise from the existing 3,000 to about 4,700, according to the administration.

    To reduce risks of imported novel coronavirus infections, the administration ordered in late March that carriers could fly no more than the number of international flights they were operating between March 16 and 22, and said domestic carriers could fly just one flight a week on one route to any country, while foreign airlines could operate just one flight a week to China.

    However, the 11 domestic airlines and 95 overseas airlines that had suspended international passenger flights to and from China before mid-March have not been able to operate any flights over the past few months.

    During the period, 19 domestic airlines and 28 overseas airlines have been allowed to operate 134 flights to and from China every week, but only about 75 percent of the planned flights actually took place, the administration said.

    The administration's statement said that the loosening of restrictions is to "restore in an orderly way some international flights, and address the urgent need of Chinese students and overseas Chinese to get back to China".

    US airline ban opposed


    The policy adjustment also came after the US Department of Transportation's announcement on Wednesday that the scheduled passenger operations of all Chinese air carriers to and from the United States would be suspended starting June 16, or possibly sooner, at the president's discretion.

    In response to the move, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said at a news briefing on Thursday afternoon that China regrets the decision made by the US, and the Civil Aviation Administration of China has lodged stern representations with US transportation officials over this issue.

    "The administration has been staying in close communication with the US Department of Transportation on flight arrangements between the two countries with some progress achieved," he said. "China has also adjusted relevant policies, and we hope the US side will not create barriers to solving the problem."

    The US blamed Chinese aviation authorities for having failed to permit US air carriers to fully exercise their bilateral rights with respect to the provision of scheduled passenger services between the two countries.

    Yet, in late January, the White House had barred most foreign citizens from entering the US from China. Three US carriers operating scheduled US-China passenger flights-American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines-began suspending their flights in early February.

    As US passenger airlines had stopped all flights linked to China before the restrictions imposed by the Civil Aviation Administration of China in late March, they were unable to resume flights to China.

    China's aviation administration submitted a letter to the US Department of Transportation on May 25, reiterating that its provisions "equally apply to all domestic and foreign carriers, being fair, equal and transparent" and said it does not "wish to be obliged to respond by taking countermeasures on US carriers".

    The suspension comes at a difficult time for travelers, who already face a shortage of tickets and high prices for flights between the two countries. In recent days, protests, some of which have turned violent, have swept across the US over the death of George Floyd at the hands of police in Minneapolis. As a result, many overseas Chinese are concerned about their safety and are weighing their options on returning to China.

    Currently, there are four weekly scheduled flights between the US and China, all flown by four Chinese airlines: Air China, China Eastern Airlines, China Southern Airlines and Xiamen Airlines.

    The news has drawn the attention of many in the overseas Chinese community, especially among Chinese students studying in the US.

    Cecilia, a student at the University of California, San Diego, who didn't give her surname, said the news didn't come as a surprise because the pandemic has caused so many changes.


    "I think this policy is still likely to change, because it is certainly not a long-term plan," she said. "It all depends on how China and the US negotiate after that. So let's wait and see."

    Mechanism to guard safety


    The Civil Aviation Administration of China, along with multiple departments including the National Health Commission and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, will introduce a "reward" and "circuit breaker" mechanism for airlines based on passenger nucleic acid test results upon arrival in order to contain the number of imported cases of COVID-19.

    As an incentive, carriers will be allowed to increase the number of international flights to two per week on one route if the number of passengers who have a positive nucleic acid test on their flights stands at zero for three consecutive weeks, according to the administration.

    The airline must suspend the operation of the route for one week if the number of passengers who test positive for the coronavirus reaches five. If the number exceeds 10, the airline will suspend the flights for four weeks, it said.

    Qi Qi, an associate professor at Guangzhou Civil Aviation College, said that the mechanism will be of great help to spur airlines to step up their epidemic prevention and control measures, while still responding to the reasonable demands of foreign airlines to resume passenger flights to and from China.


    It also fits in with China's regular epidemic prevention and control measures and fully advances work resumption requirements, he said, adding that if the virus remains under control, the international flights could be increased, offering a clear expectation to the airlines, passengers and foreign governments."


    Eased rules for inbound flights set to facilitate travel - Travel - Chinadaily.com.cn
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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    1. before COVID-19, how many flights per day fell outside these hours at those airports?
    2. what difference would it make to the spread if flights were to arrive or depart after 8 pm?
    Oh come on Ray, how can they spot the Wuhan virus trying to sneak out of the airport if it's dark?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    "With the COVID-19 epidemic gradually easing in China, the country's top aviation regulator announced on Thursday an increase in international flights, a move that experts said will facilitate passenger flows and help Chinese stranded abroad to come home.
    Splendid news indeed (for the countries hosting them).

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    I think these people need to wise up and realise that their industry is not only going to have to slim down, but that it will probably be permanent. What are they going to do, go on strike?

    British Airways has warned it will sack all of its 4300 pilots if it can't reach an agreement with unions over further job cuts as the airline starts a legal push to block the UK government's 14-day self-isolation plan for arrivals starting on Monday.

    The airline told its pilots union that it would dismiss all of the company's 4300 pilots and rehire them on individual contracts unless the union reached an agreement with the carrier. The company, which is negotiating a planned reduction of 1130 roles represented by airline pilot union Balpa, sought another 125 pilot jobs on Wednesday, the union said in an email.

    "This has seriously undermined our talks which now hang by a thread," Brian Strutton, the general secretary of the union, said in an email. "It calls into question whether BA is even capable of conducting industrial relations properly and whether anything they say can be trusted."
    A spokesperson for the airline, which is working on cutting 12,000 jobs across the company, said in an email it's "acting now to protect as many jobs possible," adding that "the airline industry is facing the deepest structural change in its history, as well as facing a severely weakened global economy".

    Concerned the self-isolation requirement would block its plans to restart services in July, British Airways' parent IAG sent a letter to the Home Office to start the process to block the quarantine, which could lead to a lawsuit, according to a copy of the letter seen by Bloomberg News.
    The letter, also signed by Europe's two biggest discount carriers Ryanair and EasyJet, pointed to how the measures will apply to travelers from countries with lower infection rates than the U.K., and disproportionately affect those from England than Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, the letter showed.

    The 14-day quarantine for travelers is also more stringent than the one for those who test positive for the virus, according to the letter. The carriers also pointed out that the U.K. is imposing the self-isolation on arrivals from countries that have a lower infection rate than the U.K.
    "In our view, the government has failed to identify a valid justification for the blanket nature of the regulations, more especially given the extremely severe nature of the self-isolation provisions that apply," according to the letter.

    The Home Office declined to comment on the potential legal action late Saturday. On Friday, James Slack, a spokesman for Prime Minister Boris Johnson, told reporters the government wants to work with the industry as the country moves through the pandemic.

    British Airways' move came a day after IAG chief executive Willie Walsh said he was considering legal action to block the measure. Ryanair said on Friday it would support legal action by its rival. The quarantine is being introduced as carriers try to salvage the normally busy summer season.

    If British Airways and the airlines push ahead with a legal challenge, a court proceeding known as a judicial review will be held in London's High Court. The transport sector isn't a stranger to a judicial review. Earlier this year, the procedure was used to force the government to take full account of climate change agreements over its plans for a third runway at Heathrow Airport.

    The procedure allows members of the public and corporations to hold the government to account over policy decisions. The process is designed to weigh the lawfulness of how a government decision has been reached, rather than whether the decision is right or wrong. Public bodies that lose judicial review cases can make the same decision again as long as they do so using the right procedures.

    Like airlines worldwide, IAG is slashing costs to contend with a historic drop in travel. Carriers in Europe have signaled plans to eliminate more than 50,000 positions since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic, including 10,000 on Wednesday at Germany's Lufthansa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The PIA crash has gone strangely silent, although I did read they'd managed to get the data off both the CVR and the FDR.

    I assume that the official report won't say 100% that the pilots fucked it up, even though it's fairly obvious that they did.

    You might even end up with another case of the experts saying what happened and the egotistical Pakistani government/airforce coming up with their own version. It's happened before in other third world countries.
    Airbus have reviewed the FDR and CVR data and issued a statement that there are no recommended safety notices that need to be issued at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Airbus have reviewed the FDR and CVR data and issued a statement that there are no recommended safety notices that need to be issued at the moment.
    That is a diplomatic way of saying it was pilot error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    That is a diplomatic way of saying it was pilot error.
    Or it's a diplomatic way of saying it might be the engines

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    it was pilot error.
    Unsaid, but the AB statement covers all operational errors by the airline or other agencies.

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    Well it seems the ATC have all but given the investigating team their answers. It will be hard for the Pakistan air force to pin this one on the aircraft, no matter how desperate they are to do so.

    Shouldn't take long to close this one really: The only difficult bit will be the technical details of how the damage to the engines lead to the failure of both.


    The French team arrived as the AAIB team continued its own investigation into the crash. The sources said that the air traffic controller and approach tower controller who were on duty at the time of air crash submitted their written replies to the inquiry committee.

    According to the sources, the approach tower controller handled the flight from Lahore to Karachi and assigned the task of landing the aircraft to the ATC after 10 nautical miles away from landing. They informed the inquiry board about the final moments of the flight.

    According to the response given by the ATC controller to the investigation team, the sources said, the captain ignored instructions 10 nautical miles from the landing. Before landing at Karachi airport, the planes fly at 1,800 feet high, but the captain was flying ill-fate plane at an altitude of 3,000 feet.

    Despite repeated instructions, the captain said that he would manage the altitude and speed before landing. They told the investigators that in his first attempt, the captain came to land the aircraft without opening the landing gear.

    When the captain made the first landing, both engines hit and scratched against the runway three times, they said, adding that the captain was busy maintaining the speed and the altitude of the landing, therefore he forgot to open the landing gear.

    Landing the aircraft without landing gear created sparks when the engine hits the runway. The captain flew the plane again and asked for permission to land, the controllers said, adding that at the time of second landing the captain said the engines had stopped working.
    Airbus experts visit crash site as ATC blames pilot error | The Express Tribune

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    When the captain made the first landing, both engines hit and scratched against the runway three times
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The only difficult bit will be the technical details of how the damage to the engines lead to the failure of both.
    Did you expect that only one of the engines would fail after both of them had bumped down into the tarmac three times?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Did you expect that only one of the engines would fail after both of them had bumped down into the tarmac three times?
    The investigation has to say a little bit more than "they banged the engines and they stopped working".

    Nor will they say "this happened on one, so it probably happened on the other".

    They will do a detailed analysis of both engines as best they can, describing the damage and the impact it had on engine performance.

    The idea being to come up with any suggestions to prevent future accidents.

    Remember, this aircraft was still flying after the runway contact. What if if was something simple like ruptured oil lines that could be reinforced?
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    Are the "French" a trustworthy bunch? Wouldn't an independent team, say from Hong Kong, be more truthful?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The idea being to come up with any suggestions to prevent future accidents.
    Like "use the landing gear"..

    Those pilots didn't only do one error, they did a series of them:

    Approaching the airport at too high altitude and therefore also at too high speed giving them lots of things to think of and take care of in the short time frame before touching down. They became so busy that they didn't hear the alarm "too low, gear" and when they did the go-around they were way below the no-go-around height limit. Lives might had been saved if they instead had continued with the belly-landing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Are the "French" a trustworthy bunch? Wouldn't an independent team, say from Hong Kong, be more truthful?
    Yes they are and no they wouldn't.

    The Pakistan authorities will lead the investigation, as per normal procedure, and the French will assist as the aircraft manufacturer.

    The engines were CFM56 ... donks that go for yonks...as long as you don't whack them against the runway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Like "use the landing gear"..
    All of that will be taken into account, but that doesn't stop them making other suggestions to avoid the end result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The idea being to come up with any suggestions to prevent future accidents.
    Could they make the Pakistani runways like really fast moving conveyor belts, so they could belly land if they so desired ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Could they make the Pakistani runways like really fast moving conveyor belts, so they could belly land if they so desired ?
    You appear to have gone full retard.

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    THAI swoops to protect planes from seizure

    Thai Airways International (THAI) has petitioned courts in three countries to protects its assets -- including its aircraft operating scheduled flights -- from being seized by its creditors, said government spokeswoman Narumon Pinyosinwat on Tuesday.


    The cabinet on Tuesday was informed about the filing of debt-rehabilitation requests in foreign countries by Deputy Prime Minister Wissanu Krea-ngam, who chairs the government-appointed committee tasked with coordinating a solution to THAI's problems.


    Ms Narumon said the airline has so far petitioned the courts in Switzerland, Germany and Japan, before adding that the flag carrier is in the middle of submitting a similar request in the United States, where its creditors are based. The petitions, if approved, will protect THAI against the seizure of its assets -- for example, its aircraft being impounded overseas.

    Prior to the grounding of THAI's entire fleet at the onset of the Covid-19 pandemic, the airline flew to all of the countries whose courts it had petitioned -- except the US.


    Last month, the Central Bankruptcy Court in Thailand agreed to examine the airline's rehabilitation request. The court is scheduled to decide on Aug 18 whether or not it will admit the case, which would effectively begin the rehab process.

    For the process to occur smoothly, talks with creditors will have to start before Aug 17, in order to limit the possibility of THAI's creditors objecting to the plan when it is presented to the court, Ms Narumon said.


    She said an objection will delay and complicate the execution of the rehabilitation plan, and said that this is an issue that the airline's legal consultants are working hard to avoid.


    The cabinet was told on Tuesday that THAI racked up 12 billion baht in debt last year, bringing up its total outstanding debt to 244 billion baht.


    The airline has fixed expenses amounting to between 5-6 billion baht a month. Without a liquidity boost, THAI will only have enough cash to survive until the end of the month.


    The rehabilitation plan is being drawn up by five members of the THAI board, which includes its former president, Piyasvasti Amranand, under the supervision of the bankruptcy court. Along with EY Corporate Advisory Services, they will have "the authority and duty in managing the business and assets of the company", the carrier told the Stock Exchange of Thailand at the end of last month.


    On a different note, THAI has announced it is relaunching domestic and international flights next month.

    THAI swoops to protect planes from seizure

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    Thai Airways International (THAI) has petitioned courts in three countries to protects its assets -- including its aircraft operating scheduled flights
    They do have a fucking nerve. Many of the aircraft are leased, so they are not "its" aircraft if it isn't fucking paying for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    They do have a fucking nerve. Many of the aircraft are leased, so they are not "its" aircraft if it isn't fucking paying for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    And the twat goes off waffling again.

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    Just got this from Thai Airways..just leaves me with the the word "And" floating around



    Dear Valued customers,
    We would like to inform our valued customers that certain letters, documents, or notifications may be delivered to you via E-mail or SMS in accordance with the business reorganization process of Thai Airways International Public Company Limited consequent to the relevant business reorganization petition filed with and found for by the Central Bankruptcy Court.
    During the period where the company undergoes the business reorganization, which plays a significant role to its survival, the company remains resolute to ensure our customers are provided with the best care within its current capability, especially for those whose airfare refunds are pending as well as honor certain benefits for our Royal Orchid Plus members, including membership status and miles being the most important . Please rest assured that the company shall overcome this crisis, albeit great magnitude, and be ‘Airline of Pride’ which offers the best on-flight services for our valued customers once again. Any update and progress will be further communicated to you via various channels.
    On this occasion, please allow us to express our gratitude for your kind understanding and patronage through these years. It is our greatest hope to be able to serve you again in the near future.
    Best regards,
    Thai Airways International Public Company Limited


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