Airline News

**harrybarracuda** · 06-07-2011, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by thehighlander959

It seems that the back handers are all going the Airbus way. Boeing is losing the war in the air because they do not have a viable product in the small aircraft market. Boeing 737-200/300/400/500/600/800, remember the first 737 flew in the late seventies. (Six new models in thirty odd years)
Airbus on the other hand have the A318/A319/A320/A321/(all can be fitted with the new neo engine modification and all were rolled out within five years)

That would be the late sixties.

sabaii sabaii · 06-07-2011, 10:33 AM

Ebookers are halfway into their 48 hour sale if anyone's interested

**thehighlander959** · 06-07-2011, 11:59 AM

^^
My apologies Harry you are right was a slip of the finger, story of my life!!!

**harrybarracuda** · 06-07-2011, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii

Ebookers are halfway into their 48 hour sale if anyone's interested

Is this where they bang their prices up momentarily, then "slash" them for a couple of days?

**Sailing into trouble** · 06-07-2011, 12:47 PM

Ryan Air have become well know for cut price air fares. Did you know that they offer Trans-Atlantic Service like no one else.

**harrybarracuda** · 06-07-2011, 02:26 PM

I like the guy's style.

**thehighlander959** · 06-07-2011, 02:54 PM

Can say what you like about him he is a very shrewd operator.
His Business model was Southwestern Airlines in the USA. He has now out southwesterned Southwestern Airlines.

**jandajoy** · 07-07-2011, 02:33 PM

Tiger flights grounded until August

Updated 5 minutes ago

Tiger says it's confident issues raised by CASA can be resolved in the coming weeks. (AFP: William West)

Tiger Airways has been grounded until August, ending speculation over whether the embattled budget airline would resume flights this weekend.
The Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) applied to extend the one-week grounding of the budget carrier while it continues its investigations into safety concerns.
CASA spokesman Peter Gibson said the safety regulator needed more time to sift through concerns about the airline.
The extension comes as safety investigators examine why a navigational database used by Tiger contained the wrong information, causing one of its planes to fly below safe altitude levels.
Last month a Tiger Airbus 320 flew below air traffic control's lowest safe descent altitude of 2,500 while approaching Melbourne airport.
The pilots failed to notice the navigational mistake when they cross-checked the navigation information with their paper version, but the plane managed to land safely after Air Traffic Control corrected the pilots.
A preliminary report into the Melbourne airport incident from the Australian Transport Safety Bureau has found the error was due to an incorrect altitude in the plane's commercial navigational database.
A similar incident also happened with a second plane.
The bureau's chief commissioner, Martin Dolan, says the investigation will look at Tiger's procedures in such a situation.
"We're interested essentially in what are the procedures for assuring the quality of that data for that navigation system; what checks and balances are in place and whether they work against the possibility that some of the data may be wrong, cross checking and various other things by those involved," he said.
It was one of several incidents that prompted CASA to ground the airline for a week.
Tiger has been thrown into turmoil in recent days, with its chief executive Crawford Rix last night announcing he would resign at the end of the month.
His replacement, Tony Davis, is the group president of Tiger Airways Holdings and the man who was sent from Singapore to lead the talks with CASA.
West Australian newspapers aviation editor Geoffrey Thomas says Tiger Airways insiders - especially pilots - are furious at the ban and management.
"They said there's nothing wrong with the pilot team, it's just the management and management can be changed very quickly, it just needs some resources," he said.
Tiger says it is moving to reassure its staff about the carrier's long-term future. It says it is confident issues raised by CASA can be resolved in the coming weeks.

http://abc.com.au/news/stories/2011/...section=justin

**Sailing into trouble** · 07-07-2011, 03:02 PM

Not knocking him, just wish I could afford Business class

Messed up with post quote. relates to Ryan Airs business class service.

**harrybarracuda** · 07-07-2011, 04:04 PM

Business class can be cheaper than you think. You just have to shop around.

Lots of airlines, when they have empty seats, will do deep discounts in the front cabins.

**Tom Sawyer** · 08-07-2011, 10:51 AM

Regarding Tiger Air grounding.

Whenever I see something like this (one country banning another country's airline that flies a highly competitive route) I wonder if the 'safety' claims are trumped up. Afterall, this isn't One-Two-Go, this is Singapore Airline's budget carrier.

The Sydney - SE Asia for stop-overs - and on to Europe routings are among the most competitive in the world.

**aging one** · 08-07-2011, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Singapore Airline's budget carrier.

Are you sure that it is not Silk Air thats the budget airline of SQ?

**Tom Sawyer** · 08-07-2011, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by aging one

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Singapore Airline's budget carrier.

Are you sure that it is not Silk Air thats the budget airline of SQ?

They both are owned by SQ (at least in part for Tiger Air). BBC this morning also said Temasuk (Singapore's state-owned investment corporation) was part owner. See this link about Tiger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Airways

**Sailing into trouble** · 08-07-2011, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Business class can be cheaper than you think. You just have to shop around.

Lots of airlines, when they have empty seats, will do deep discounts in the front cabins.

I didn't know that! How do you get that info? Just phone the airlines?

**aging one** · 08-07-2011, 12:15 PM

cool thanks, didnt know that. Who was Thai going to tie up with for a budget carrier then abandoned the plan?

**BaitongBoy** · 08-07-2011, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble

I didn't know that! How do you get that info? Just phone the airlines?

Harry?...

sabaii sabaii · 08-07-2011, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Lots of airlines, when they have empty seats, will do deep discounts in the front cabins.

What a lot of these airlines do is, when the flight's economy section is full, they will upgrade the Gold card members to business class and sell their economy seat on

**Tom Sawyer** · 08-07-2011, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by aging one

cool thanks, didnt know that. Who was Thai going to tie up with for a budget carrier then abandoned the plan?

I think it was Nok Air. Possibly wholly-owned by Thai. Not sure whether they're even still flying.

**Tom Sawyer** · 08-07-2011, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Lots of airlines, when they have empty seats, will do deep discounts in the front cabins.

What a lot of these airlines do is, when the flight's economy section is full, they will upgrade the Gold card members to business class and sell their economy seat on

True, but I think they'd still prefer the revenue from a discounted biz class fare. So they try the latter first, then if there are extra seats in business class on the day of the flight and, if overbooked in economy, they upgrade the Gold/Platinum members at check-in to make sure everyone gets a seat in the back.

**harrybarracuda** · 08-07-2011, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by BaitongBoy

Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble

I didn't know that! How do you get that info? Just phone the airlines?

Harry?...

Find yourself a good travel agent that knows staff at all the airlines and knows about what deals are taking place at any given time.

The only caveat is that you have to be flexible and work to their schedule not yours.

The cheapest seats are normally on empty flights that might only be in the air because they're repositioning for a peak time.

By way of an example. I've just pumped in a BKK-DBX-BKK in Business class for 12th-30th July.

The cheapest Business class fare is Bt33,000 on Thai Airways.

The cheapest Emirates flight (and they fly the A380) is Bt50,000.

I use this site as a guide Moxtravel and if I spot a decent fare, then I go to the airline's website.

Business class to London on those days ranges from Bt80,000 (Air India) to Bt150,000 (Swiss Air).

Like I said, it's all about shopping around.

There is nothing an airline likes less than an empty seat. Any revenue is better than none.

**aging one** · 08-07-2011, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Possibly wholly-owned by Thai. Not sure whether they're even still flying.

Yeah it was Thai, stupid idea as they still has Nok. Wish more people knew about it. Dedicated to be at Don Muang, dont worry about connections, and give you a coke and some nuts. Weekly or bi weekly sales seem like a decent deal. Not as cheap as Air Asia, but half of Thai, and for those closer to DM like me its sounds pretty good. Though still have not flown them yet. The wife is going up Sunday to Chaing Mai for a couple of nights and using them. 10 minutes to pick up and deliver her. Hope to hell she likes it.

**jandajoy** · 08-07-2011, 09:20 PM

**OhOh** · 09-07-2011, 05:48 AM

UPDATE 2-Dubai firm axes Airbus orders in crisis fallout | Reuters

"DAE Capital cancels remaining orders for 45 Airbus jets

* Doubts raised over orders for Boeing aircraft

* Dubai leasing company's CEO stepped down a week ago

* Airbus outsold Boeing in first half, EADS shares dip

(Adds details, background)

By Tim Hepher and Praveen Menon

PARIS/DUBAI, July 7 (Reuters) - A troubled Dubai leasing firm has cancelled all its remaining Airbus orders worth $5.8 billion, it emerged on Thursday, as the after-shocks of the financial crisis dampened celebrations of record new jet sales.

The clearout by DAE Capital failed to spook investors in Airbus parent EADS , which is well ahead of Boeing this year, but delivered a blow to Dubai at a time when the emirate is touting its recovery from a crippling 2009 debt crisis.

It also raises questions over the fate of about $9 billion in unfilled orders by the same leasing company from Boeing , which is due to update its order book later on Thursday.

DAE Capital has 56 unfilled orders from Boeing including 15 of its newest freighters based on the 747-8 stretch jumbo, according to the U.S. company's website.

Officials at DAE Capital, whose chief executive Robert Genise resigned on June 30, were not available for comment.

An Airbus spokesman confirmed the cancellations, which emerged in a monthly order snapshot dominated by strong sales of its A320neo passenger jet at last month's Paris Air Show.

Airbus sold a total of 777 aircraft in the first half, or 640 after accounting for cancellations such as the 45 remaining orders for A320 and A350 jetliners withdrawn by DAE Capital.

According to the most recent available data, Boeing won 210 gross orders and 151 net orders between Jan. 1 and June 28.

Fresh demand has been dominated by orders for fuel-saving narrowbody jets from India and Asia to dampen oil costs, but planemakers are still managing backlogs left vulnerable in some cases by the abrupt end of a previous ordering boom in 2008.

DAE had already cancelled Airbus orders worth $4.7 billion as well as a slew of Boeing orders in March and entered negotiations with both planemakers about the rest of its orders.

French brokerage Oddo said investors were prepared for the cancellations. Shares in Franco-German-led EADS fell 0.3 percent to 23.32 euros in a slightly higher European market.

LIQUIDITY

Dubai Aerospace Enterprise was formed in 2006 in a collaboration between several Dubai names including sovereign wealth arm Investment Corporation of Dubai, developer Emaar and state-linked DIFC Investments.

The company ordered more than 200 aircraft during the market heyday in 2007 but its ambitions fizzled out as the global financial crisis engulfed Dubai. It was reported last year to have ceded some of its orders to Dubai-based airline Emirates.

"The shareholders in DAE are government entities and each of them own at minor stake. So there is not a single entity that is championing for DAE and this may be a reason why it is marginalised," said Khuram Maqsood, former director at a Dubai investment fund.

"The cancellations had to do with the liquidity issues DAE is facing, and in general, Dubai is facing. The cancellations are just a symptom of the ground reality."

Still, a June bond issue by the Gulf Arab emirate came hard on the heels of a highly successful bond launch by flagship carrier Emirates -- the largest buyer for the Airbus A380 -- boosting Dubai's case that the worst was behind it.

The total of 777 first-half aircraft orders at Airbus includes 180 planes sold to India's IndiGo and 200 to Malaysian budget carrier AirAsia -- two deals that set volume records on successive days at last month's upbeat air show.

They do not however include 88 A320 jets sold to China on June 28 amid tensions with Europe over emissions trading rules.

"Some details still need to be finalised," an Airbus spokesman said.

Airbus delivered 258 aircraft including 10 A380 superjumbos between January and June. "

**Sailing into trouble** · 10-07-2011, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by jandajoy

feckin brill!!

No greens to give but god, did I laugh!

**Tom Sawyer** · 10-07-2011, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by aging one

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they still has Nok. Wish more people knew about it. Dedicated to be at Don Muang, dont worry about connections, and give you a coke and some nuts. Weekly or bi weekly sales seem like a decent deal. Not as cheap as Air Asia, but half of Thai, and for those closer to DM like me its sounds pretty good. Though still have not flown them yet. The wife is going up Sunday to Chaing Mai for a couple of nights and using them. 10 minutes to pick up and deliver her. Hope to hell she likes it.

Whilst out and about today I saw an indoor advert for Nok. Must admit they'd dropped off my radar til this exchange the other day. They ought to advertise more.. You told me more in your post than they ever have.. And I may want to use their service.. so opportunities are being lost.

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