Thread: Airline News

"(Reuters) - China downgraded the announcement of an Airbus superjumbo order and signed up for the Boeing 747-8 as deals worth $9 billion coincided with a row over European emissions trading rules, industry sources said.
The deals both involved parts of the HNA airlines group and had been planned before the Paris Air Show, they said, but the decision not to announce the names of the buyers triggered one of the mysteries of this week's event.

I doubt Airbus would give much of a shit, given that they've annihalated Boeing at Paris this year, with a $15.6 Billion A320 deal from India and a record $18 Billion deal with Air Asia.

They appear to be winning the short haul war hands down.

Boeing may have to do more than put new engines in the old workhorse, maybe a Dreamliner mini?

The big problem with the Boeing 737 is the height of the undercarriage, there are no new engines that will fit under the wings because of ground clearance.

Its going to have to be a new model to compete with the A320neo.

Originally Posted by thehighlander959

The big problem with the Boeing 737 is the height of the undercarriage, there are no new engines that will fit under the wings because of ground clearance.

Its going to have to be a new model to compete with the A320neo.

Exactly. The 737 design is 20 years older than the Airbus.

That's why I said they are probably looking at a Dreamliner mini. It's really all about fuel efficiency these days, especially as avgas prices are really destined to keep climbing in the long term.

You can only do so much fuel hedging.

Most of the legwork in the Dreamliner design and manufacturing process can be deployed quickly (in airline terms) into a shorter version. I would say that's their best (and most economical) bet.

Myanmar airline to launch Yangon-Jakarta-Bali flight service in November
July 05, 2011

Myanmar Airways International (MAI) will launch a direct flight service to link Yangon with Jakarta and Bali in November this year, the local Weekly Eleven reported Monday.

Aimed at boosting bilateral trade between the two countries, the planned direct flight is prompted by the Myanmar President U Thein Sein's recent visit to Indonesia in May this year.

As part of the cooperation between the two countries in the tourism sector and for both having historic cultural heritage, beautiful scenery and beaches, Thein Sein said plan is also underway to launch Yangon-Singapore-Jakarta flights which will be finalized at the second meeting of the joint commission for bilateral cooperation to be held in Myanmar at this year-end.

Meanwhile, MAI also has a plan to launch another direct flight service between Yangon and Dubai using airbus A-320 in late October this year.

In addition, more flights to South Korea, Japan, United Arab Emirates and Qatar are also projected.

At present, MAI operates international flights with four Airbus A-320 between Yangon and Kuala Lumpur, Singapore, Bangkok, Guangzhou, Gaya, Siem Reap and Yangon-Bangkok-Singapore.

MAI, in its latest development, is known as a joint venture between the state-owned Myanmar Airways and the private Royal Myanmar Transport Co., transformed from that with a Singapore- based company -- Jester Asia in 1993.

The share of the Jester Asia was taken up by the Royal Myanmar Transport Co.

Besides the MAI flying internationally as Myanmar's national flag carrier, there are also 13 foreign airlines flying Yangon which comprise Air China, China Southern Airline, China Eastern Airlines, Thai Airways International,Indian Airlines, Air Asia Barhad's, China airlines , Silk Air, Malaysian Airlines, Bangkok Airways, Jetstar Asia, Thai Air Asia and Vietnam Airlines.

Source:Xinhua

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Every year Airbus saves up it's orders and anounces them at the Paris Airshow so they can appear to "annihilate" Boeing. I sometimes wonder if they are in business to make money or just show up Boeing.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

"(Reuters) - China downgraded the announcement of an Airbus superjumbo order and signed up for the Boeing 747-8 as deals worth $9 billion coincided with a row over European emissions trading rules, industry sources said.
The deals both involved parts of the HNA airlines group and had been planned before the Paris Air Show, they said, but the decision not to announce the names of the buyers triggered one of the mysteries of this week's event.

I doubt Airbus would give much of a shit, given that they've annihalated Boeing at Paris this year, with a $15.6 Billion A320 deal from India and a record $18 Billion deal with Air Asia.

They appear to be winning the short haul war hands down.

Boeing may have to do more than put new engines in the old workhorse, maybe a Dreamliner mini?

Originally Posted by tuktukdriver

Every year Airbus saves up it's orders and anounces them at the Paris Airshow so they can appear to "annihilate" Boeing. I sometimes wonder if they are in business to make money or just show up Boeing.

Every year, the big deals are announced at the Paris Air Show, there is nothing unusual about that.

What's unusual is that Airbus have won the two biggest orders in aviation history.

They have a newer and better product, simple as.

Quite a miracle considering how much the A380 nearly sunk them.

Orders for 2010:

Boeing = 462
Airbus = 510

When you consider Boeing already has 800+ 787's on the books, that looks fairly even.

"What's unusual is that Airbus have won the two biggest orders in aviation history."

Again, saving up orders to try and make some kind of statement. The A380 was the same thing...trying to make a statement..."we are bigger". Wow, when will it end?

"They have a newer and better product, simple as."

LOL...787 is some real old technology.

Originally Posted by tuktukdriver

Orders for 2010:

Boeing = 462
Airbus = 510

When you consider Boeing already has 800+ 787's on the books, that looks fairly even.

A320 Neo orders at Paris: 667
737 orders at Paris: 71

I wouldn't call that even.

And this hasn't been resolved yet:

American was expected to announce a large order at the Paris Airshow, but it never came. The company is reportedly in heated negotiations with both Airbus and Boeing at this time with plans to order 250 planes worth around $15 billion. Grabbing American would be a coup for Airbus and would put a seal of approval on the A320neo.

LE BOURGET, France — Airbus is trouncing Boeing in the race to be the world's biggest planemaker, claiming over $72 billion dollars worth of orders and commitments at the Paris Air Show, where the popularity of its new fuel-efficient jets twice broke records for the largest order ever.
Airbus' success cast a long shadow over Chicago-based Boeing, which recorded only $22 billion in orders and commitments, and raised questions over the U.S. planemaker's ability to compete in a market dominated by concerns over high fuel prices.
Airbus CEO Tom Enders and AirAsia CEO Tony Fernandes signed off Thursday on an $18.5 billion order for 200 of Airbus' new A320neo aircraft, which has proven to be the star of the aviation industry's premier event.
The order is the largest ever, eclipsing the previous record set just Wednesday by another A320neo customer, Asian carrier IndiGo. Airlines often negotiate discounts on large deals.
The recipe to Airbus' gains over Boeing is deceptively simple. It modified its existing workhorse jet, the A320, with improved engines and modified wingtips to make it allegedly 15 percent more fuel-efficient than Boeing's 737.
The plane will only start delivering in 2015 but Airbus is using it now to cash in on airlines' need to reduce sky-high fuel costs and cut carbon dioxide emissions.
Airbus' Enders said the A320neo was now "by far the best-selling airliner in the history of commercial aviation."
The company has over 1,000 orders or commitments for the plane, including 667 during the air show's first four days.
Airbus' success increases the pressure on its U.S. rival to respond to the challenge with either a revamped version of its own 737 or an entirely new aircraft. Boeing says it will make that decision in the coming months.


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Harry were you involved in the Abu Dhabi airport at one time?

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Harry were you involved in the Abu Dhabi airport at one time?

Yes, but I was released without charge.

When it flies properly and they get their maintenance issues with the 787 sorted out. Its not in service yet its late and All Nippon who are going to be the first users are shouting from the clifftops wheres my fucking new plane that I paid for.

Originally Posted by thehighlander959

When it flies properly and they get their maintenance issues with the 787 sorted out. Its not in service yet its late and All Nippon who are going to be the first users are shouting from the clifftops wheres my fucking new plane that I paid for.

Exactly. Airbus made such a royal fuck up of the A380, Boeing absolutely let them off the hook with an even bigger fuck of this plane. It will be obsolete by the time it enters service.

As you say the A380 (which I will be flying on at the end of the month with my family from Bangkok to London) nearly broke the back of Airbus Industries, EADS the parent company of Airbus were looking for all ways to pull the plug on it, it did not make viable commercial sense to cancel it and they needed 400 orders so that it broke even.They persevered even Boeing said it was a white elephant doomed to failure, as air transport was not going in the direction of so-called super jumbos.

I have flown on many 747,s and A380,s there is no comparison as to what is the better aeroplane to fly in. Boeing with their 747-8 are way behind the black ball and there is no sign of them getting out of the snooker that Airbus have put them in especially with the 737/A320 neo fiasco.
Its embarrassing for Boeing to say the least.

Still haven't been on the 380 - hoping too

I'm the same, but Qatar are so much better and cheaper than Emirates it will have to wait

I,m sorry Harry have ot disagree. I choose not to fly Qatar Airways as the last time I landed in Doha with them flying from London it was a controlled crash, that included an undercarriage inspection of the 777-300. So no Qatar anymore for me.

Originally Posted by thehighlander959

I,m sorry Harry have ot disagree. I choose not to fly Qatar Airways as the last time I landed in Doha with them flying from London it was a controlled crash, that included an undercarriage inspection of the 777-300. So no Qatar anymore for me.

Yes, those South African pilots are all c*nts.

But they work cheap.

Added: Clearly you've never flown Gulf Air.

The business follows the backhanders.

Sameold sameold.

It seems that the back handers are all going the Airbus way. Boeing is losing the war in the air because they do not have a viable product in the small aircraft market. Boeing 737-200/300/400/500/600/800, remember the first 737 flew in the late seventies. (Six new models in thirty odd years)
Airbus on the other hand have the A318/A319/A320/A321/(all can be fitted with the new neo engine modification and all were rolled out within five years)