Thread: Air india dreamliner flight to london crashes on take off.

What an odd thing to bring up.

“The AAIB has begun a full investigation into it... It is being probed from all angles, including any possible sabotage. The CCTV footage are being reviewed and all angles are being assessed... several agencies are working on it,” NDTV quoted Murlidhar Mohol as saying at an event in Pune.

‘Possible sabotage’ under investigation in Air India plane crash: Report | Latest News India - Hindustan Times

^ooh. Did your dad work on the Lockerbie investigation?

Since the Air India crash, I've watched a few episodes of Mayday/ Air Crash Investigation on YouTube. I don't remember the Lockerbie incident (I was still young & it prolly wasn't famous in PH) but I've watched the Philippine Airlines 434 (bomb on board) vid. The maker of the bomb was Ramzi Yousef, who was also in-charge of the 1993 WTC bombing in New York. The bomb was a test run for the failed "Bojinka plot". Phase 1 of the Bojinka plot was the assassination of Pope John Paul II, who was due to visit PH for World Youth Day 1995. (Now, I remember that visit by JP 2 since it was a big deal here but I didn't know that there was a plot to kill him.)

Originally Posted by katie23

^ooh. Did your dad work on the Lockerbie investigation?

No, but my old boss from when I worked in London was on it with his entire family.

Doesn't really qualify an accident.

Originally Posted by katie23

^ooh. Did your dad work on the Lockerbie investigation?

Since the Air India crash, I've watched a few episodes of Mayday/ Air Crash Investigation on YouTube. I don't remember the Lockerbie incident (I was still young & it prolly wasn't famous in PH) but I've watched the Philippine Airlines 434 (bomb on board) vid. The maker of the bomb was Ramzi Yousef, who was also in-charge of the 1993 WTC bombing in New York. The bomb was a test run for the failed "Bojinka plot". Phase 1 of the Bojinka plot was the assassination of Pope John Paul II, who was due to visit PH for World Youth Day 1995. (Now, I remember that visit by JP 2 since it was a big deal here but I didn't know that there was a plot to kill him.)

Wow
Fook that's some info I had forgotten about

Were you in PH in 1995, BLD?

This is abt the PAL 434 flight, happened Dec 1994. Around 50 min.



The Bojinka plot was a precursor to the 9/11 attacks.

Bojinka plot - Wikipedia

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If you must know, my old man used to work in accident investigation.

He had a picture on the mantelpiece of him getting an award from Prince Andrew for services to aviation.

It went in the bin a few years back.

sounds like fascinating work. was he in the military?

Originally Posted by taxexile

sounds like fascinating work. was he in the military?

No, and it wasn't his full time job.

Originally Posted by BLD

Wow
Fook that's some info I had forgotten about

Lockerbie was a revenge attack by the Libyans for Reagan bombing Libya, which was a revenge attack for Libya bombing a Berlin nightclub popular with US miitary.
I think.

Originally Posted by katie23

Were you in PH in 1995, BLD?

This is abt the PAL 434 flight, happened Dec 1994. Around 50 min.



The Bojinka plot was a precursor to the 9/11 attacks.

Bojinka plot - Wikipedia

95 to 97 I worked for a mining outfit called climax arimco
We lost our ass .then in the first global financial crisis
Which kinda pissed me off. As I was having way to much fun AND getting paid

What do you think of this Troy?

In an exclusive interview with The Sunday Guardian, Mary Schiavo, former Inspector General of the US Department of Transportation and now an aviation attorney with Motley Rice, voiced deep concerns that the crash of Air India Flight AI-171 may have been caused by a known software-triggered engine malfunction.

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner crashed shortly after takeoff from Ahmedabad in May 2025, killing 274 people. According to Schiavo, the aircraft may have suffered from a dual engine thrust rollback triggered by a software failure, a malfunction that had previously been documented and investigated in similar Boeing 787 incidents.

Drawing comparisons with a 2019 Japan Air Nippon Airways (ANA) incident, Schiavo confirmed that a similar dual-engine rollback was investigated by the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which found it to be a software flaw. Corrective action was mandated, yet it remains unclear whether those fixes were uniformly applied across all 787 fleets.

'Boeing 787 software glitch led to AI plane crash', claims US aviation attorney - Airlines/Aviation News | The Financial Express

Also:

Q: Do you see parallels in how Boeing handled disclosure and remediation of the MCAS issue (which the U.S. DOJ found they tried to hide) and how they may have approached software-based risks in the 787 fleet?

A: There may be a parallel. After the 2019 ANA incident, warnings and requirements for inspection and repair were issued. However, the world’s attention was on the 737 MAX 8 MCAS disasters. While that is no excuse, those Boeing inspections and repair protocols should have been thorough and sufficiently robust to eliminate the problem (and most likely under warranty). All 787s should have been inspected and the repair and software updates completed. Inspection and repairs as instructed by Boeing would have been up to each operator and maintenance operation to ensure completion.

Boeing 787 software may have caused AI crash: Aviation expert - The Sunday Guardian Live

And the original 2019 report:

ANA Boeing 787 Dreamliner Suffers Dual Engine Failure On Landing

Unlikely the same, 6 years later one would expect that they had found and corrected the software bug.
Yes one would expect that even from Boeing..

^^ TCMA software problem has been discussed at length on Pprune. A definite possibility but it would also mean weight on wheels was still true after take off. That is, two faults happening together.
It will add another nail to the Boeing coffin if confirmed.

Originally Posted by Troy

^^ TCMA software problem has been discussed at length on Pprune. A definite possibility but it would also mean weight on wheels was still true after take off. That is, two faults happening together.
It will add another nail to the Boeing coffin if confirmed.

Software innit. Ironically it might even have been outsourced to India.

^ Fortunately, it isn't my software...

I was joking but....

It remains the mystery at the heart of Boeing Co.’s 737 Max crisis: how a company renowned for meticulous design made seemingly basic software mistakes leading to a pair of deadly crashes. Longtime Boeing engineers say the effort was complicated by a push to outsource work to lower-paid contractors.

The Max softwareーplagued by issues that could keep the planes grounded months longer after U.S. regulators this week revealed a new flawーwas developed at a time Boeing was laying off experienced engineers and pressing suppliers to cut costs.


Increasingly, the iconic American planemaker and its subcontractors have relied on temporary workers making as little as $9 an hour to develop and test software, often from countries lacking a deep background in aerospaceーnotably India.

Just a moment...

Pprune first discussion showed dual engine failure checklist with manual deploy RAT and recycle fuel switches.
Not something you would want to do so close to the ground!

If this was the reason then Boeing need to revise that checklist Too easy to do when under stress.

Originally Posted by Troy

Pprune first discussion showed dual engine failure checklist with manual deploy RAT and recycle fuel switches.
Not something you would want to do so close to the ground!

If this was the reason then Boeing need to revise that checklist Too easy to do when under stress.

What other options do you have if your engines have stopped?

Get out and push?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Longtime Boeing engineers say the effort was complicated by a push to outsource work to lower-paid contractors.

The Max softwareーplagued by issues that could keep the planes grounded months

What do they say, if you think a professional is expensive, wait until you hire an amateur.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Get out and push?

I think normally you have glud until you wind the rubber band back up - unfortunately

Air India crash investigation focuses on movement of engine fuel control switches - The Air Current

Originally Posted by klong toey

Air India crash investigation focuses on movement of engine fuel control switches - The Air Current

As in "why would there be any?" (assuming they were already on).

Originally Posted by klong toey

Air India crash investigation focuses on movement of engine fuel control switches - The Air Current

Is it me or is this simply a ploy to divert attention from Boeing's potential responsibility.

^^ If interested, harriet, why not try reading the story?