Thread: Air india dreamliner flight to london crashes on take off.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

yep, but it does stop you being an expert on everything

All I've said is that it clearly didn't have enough lift to stay in the air.

Surely even an idiot like you can't contradict that?

Originally Posted by Troy

^^ There will be a preliminary report within 30 days of the accident. Any serious defect due to design or operational procedure will be communicated earlier.

Well if they can decide where they're going to process the recorders and actually send them there.

Otherwise it's going to be a very short preliminary report.

"1. It took off.
2. It crashed"

etc.

Well thanks for explaining that.

Asked about some media reports suggesting the black box would be sent abroad for a probe into the incident, Naidu said, "...it is all speculation. The black box is very much in India and it it currently being investigated by the Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB)."

To a query on when is the black box data expected to be retrieved, the minister said it is a very technical matter.

Black box of crashed AI plane is in India, being examined by AAIB: Minister | Today News

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

India's decision to download and investigate data from the flight recorders comes nearly two weeks after the crash and has raised questions among aviation experts, some of whom described the delay as unusual.

No reason provided

^ They don't have to say anything until the provisional report 30 days after the accident and that does not have to provide full information.

The only reason they would provide updates during this period is if they found a technical fault that could jeopardise the safety of the 787.

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

What is wrong with you, you complete tit. Fuck me, keybord warriors like you amuse me. Get off your not so high horse and listen to a pilot that has more of an idea than you will ever have.
You never cease to amaze me. What is your opinion, you c u n t?

Sometimes a green just isn't enough.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Sometimes a green just isn't enough.

The wheels in your head turn slowly don't they sybille.

One engine failed just before takeoff already to late to abort. Shut wrong engine down, that has happened before in other accident. That would explain both engines not working.

They weren't RR engines that I know

^^ That would be an incredible mistake on a passenger jet since it can happily fly away on one engine and there is no need to go through the checklist until you reach 2000 feet or so. This is different to a prop aircraft where the failed engine needs to have the prop feathered to reduce drag. This is where mistakes have been made with feathering the wrong engine. The last one I recall was TransAsia Flight 235, but in that case one engine went into auto feather and they shut down the other one. There was no need to do anything until they were at a safe altitude to diagnose properly.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

They weren't RR engines that I know

Petty sure they were GE GEnx engines.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Well if they can decide where they're going to process the recorders and actually send them there.

Would you give the recorders to Boeing? I wouldn't.

As far as I know the recorders have been read and are being evaluated in India.

Correct.

Air India plane crash: Black box data downloaded, information likely in 10 days | India News - Times of India

Originally Posted by Takeovers

As far as I know the recorders have been read and are being evaluated in India.

Do you mean Boeing

Originally Posted by Troy

^ They don't have to say anything until the provisional report 30 days after the accident and that does not have to provide full information.

The only reason they would provide updates during this period is if they found a technical fault that could jeopardise the safety of the 787.

I trust the Indian AAIB about as much as I trust the Egyptian one.

Originally Posted by Troy

^^ That would be an incredible mistake on a passenger jet since it can happily fly away on one engine and there is no need to go through the checklist until you reach 2000 feet or so. This is different to a prop aircraft where the failed engine needs to have the prop feathered to reduce drag. This is where mistakes have been made with feathering the wrong engine. The last one I recall was TransAsia Flight 235, but in that case one engine went into auto feather and they shut down the other one. There was no need to do anything until they were at a safe altitude to diagnose properly.

He's probably thinking of Kegworth.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Would you give the recorders to Boeing? I wouldn't.

As far as I know the recorders have been read and are being evaluated in India.

Try and keep up old chap.

Post #79.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

He's probably thinking of Kegworth.

That happened in cruise with plenty of altitude to diagnose. An air conditioning change from previous versions of the 737 led to incorrect diagnosis.
I remember the crash well, was just down the M1 at Loughborough at the time.

Well that's got a bit of a whiff to it.

The Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) has granted X-category security to GVG Yugandhar, Director General of the Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB), following a threat assessment by the Intelligence Bureau (IB), according to an India Today report. The security upgrade comes amid Yugandhar’s leading role in the high-profile investigation into the recent Ahmedabad plane crash.

As part of the enhanced security protocol, Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) commandos have been deployed to ensure the safety of DG Yugandhar. The MHA’s move reflects growing concerns over potential threats linked to sensitive findings in the ongoing aviation probe. Intelligence inputs reportedly highlighted security risks given Yugandhar’s access to critical and confidential data related to the crash.

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lots of input from harry on these aircraft threads.

were you a pilot harry?

ground staff maybe?

or a steward with a gin and tonic trolley?

Originally Posted by taxexile

lots of input from harry on these aircraft threads.

were you a pilot harry?

ground staff maybe?

or a steward with a gin and tonic trolley?

Er, try not to overthink it old son
It's not real life just a forum . Harry may well be a dental surgeon for all we know?

I thought he might have been a sergeant major.

On the days after the Air India 171 incident, several Air India flights have been postponed(?) due to technical matters. There was one flight Hong Kong to Delhi (?) which returned to HK after some time in the air.

According to a vid that I've seen, a guy (name is Akash) who was a passenger on the same plane which exploded. He was a passenger on the Delhi to Ahmedahbad leg of the flight. Then the plane was used for Ahmedahbad to London.

In the vid that Akash uploaded, he showed that the A/C & entertainment systems didn't work. It may not be connected to the engines but shows poor maintenance of the plane.

Since then, I've seen several Air India flight reviews (done by mostly YouTube flight reviewers) and they've shown poorly maintained interiors, bad service of flight attendants, etc. (not a good sign for the company)

There's also a vid of Air India staff partying just a few days after the crash. Granted, it was a different division/ department but at that time, bodies/ remains were still being identified or sent off to the families of the deceased. (very insensitive of the company / staff)

Originally Posted by taxexile

lots of input from harry on these aircraft threads.

were you a pilot harry?

ground staff maybe?

or a steward with a gin and tonic trolley?

If you must know, my old man used to work in accident investigation.

He had a picture on the mantelpiece of him getting an award from Prince Andrew for services to aviation.

It went in the bin a few years back.