Heavy military presence seen in downtown Los Angeles after days of immigration protes

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

1. ICE are dragging anyone off the streets and locking them up/deporting them without due process. This is a clear violation of the constitution. There are protests against this in many states.
2. "Rioting" was when the police waded in heavy handed to a minor protest and turned it into a major one, but in a THREE BLOCK area. Do you know how big LA is?
3. The orange turd eagerly ordered the National Guard in when he has no authority to do so (as per federal court).
4. He then sent marines in.

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I don't know if this sequence of events is correct or not, but Trumps actions still do not seem unreasonable, if so.

i.e.
1. ICE is doing its ICEing
2. Demonstration starts
3. Police (California State force) use heavy handed tactics
4. Riots begin with burning vehicles to which state police do not respond adequately
5. Trump sends in National Guard/Marines

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Originally Posted by bsnub

The LAPD and the LA county sheriff's office are perfectly able to handle these small, localized disruptions.

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They may be 'able to handle these small, localized disruptions' but they did not seem to actually be doing so, which made the National Guard escalation seem warranted.

It could be argued that it was Newsom's responsibility to do so and Trump was out of line. But if Newsom sits back and watches while LA burns (possibly hoping that the riots will reflect badly on ICE) then at some point federal intervention seems reasonable.

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Originally Posted by BLD

I really can't see a way out of this madness that Americans have inflicted on themselves.

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if only Thomas Matthew Crooks had a delorean

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Originally Posted by Looper

But if Newsom sits back and watches while LA burns

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:smileylaughing:

Have you ever been to LA Looper? LA county is over 4000 square miles, my dude. These "riots" covered two small areas of less than 6 square blocks.

It seems to me you are just parroting the very right wing propaganda that is now being poisoned by even the ruzzians.

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Originally Posted by bsnub

Have you ever been to LA Looper?

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I cycled through LA and spent a few days exploring the place on a bicycle trip from Vancouver down the US east coast years ago.

I then flew back to Vancouver and swapped my bike for my rucksack before flying back to LA to continue south to Mexico and Central America on foot.

I have a vivid memory of the streets around the bus station in South Central and the shuffling army of zombie like characters that started slowly ambling in unison towards me like triffids as I tried to switch buses to get to Tijuana at 2am.

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Originally Posted by bsnub

LA county is over 4000 square miles, my dude. These "riots" covered two small areas of less than 6 square blocks.

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I still don't think being confined to 'only' 6 blocks disqualifies the activity as unriotworthy and therefore undeserving of possible federal intervention in the face of Democratic state governmental insouciance.

Have you ever been to LA Snubs? :)

^ It's gross overreaction in my book.

Seen bigger football riots than that.


...and yes, I've been to LA, worked there a few times.

If you have a business, home or work near the area of the riots, you would want the rioting to quickly stop. Governor Newsom seems to be a very capable man. I wish Mr. Trump had given him more time to sort it out. Interesting post from bsnub about the outside influences. I suspect Putin is briefed regularly about Russia's nefarious activities in the US. He probably enjoys those briefings as much as Mr. Trump enjoys Fox News.

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Originally Posted by Looper

I still don't think

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Yes, we fucking know, since you keep coming out with shit like:

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Trumps actions still do not seem unreasonable

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Originally Posted by Troy

^ It's gross overreaction in my book.

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Yes it is, but deliberate.