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    Quote Originally Posted by 39TG View Post
    If anything, that's an understatement prawnograph. The current NZ Tory leader is incompetent and a real bore. He's a former chief executive, clueless and full of dull corporate speak. I think many Kiwi women still love Ardern. The Tory leader would have had real problems competing with Ardern in an election campaign. Ardern was capable of winning the next election. She's a very competent politician up against a lightweight. I do, however, agree with some of PH's points. The wokeness under Labour is awful.
    Complete horseshit. Good wind up though...

    If COVID didn't happen, she would have been voted out in a landslide according to the polls back then. COVID saved her bacon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I see this has triggered the trumpanzee wannabes.
    I do really wonder if you have any emotional quotient at all, Harold. It's not all about Trump, son.

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    Is positive discrimination the problem? The demography of NZ is roughly 70% European and around 25% Māori including Pacific Islanders.
    The UK is about 80% Caucasian British and 20% ethnic minority groups. The range of minority groups could well be larger in UK.

    The reason UK has a conservative government is simple fear. The indigenous population worry that positive discrimination and politically correct culture would grow under labour or liberal inclusion policies.

    Many voters fear, rightly or wrongly, that such inclusive policies would undermine native authority.

    New Zealands European majority possibly feels the same? The major difference comes with the indigenous Māori population, who rightly claim a share of both influence and benefits of being a part of such a society.

    In both cases, concerns over authority and influence are mired in potential racism. How much is enough for the minorities and the native populations?

    The UK has tried to give rights to minorities for a long time through changes in government. Witness the change in demography over the last 100 years. The minorities shout the loudest collectively, and the majority are subjected to cries of racism when they push back. In truth, most sentient folk donít bother with it too much. The fact is, it remains a perceived threat.

    New Zealand is a much younger developed democracy, perhaps in the throes of trying to do too much too soon? Many of them come from white European (British) agricultural backgrounds, attracted by the space and climate available there.
    Again, the minority shouts loudest, and governments bend to that clamor for greater participation in the decision making process.

    Maybe that explains the discomfort of the majority. Too much too soon, but dissent is ostracised?

    Calm the fcuk down Cyrille, itís just an opinion.

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    You're the person who goes after me rather than posting on topic in response.

    Repeatedly on the BREXIT thread, for example.

    You massive twat.

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    She was a proper Covid Nazi with her constant lockdowns.

    An obvious hero of the lockdown loving fuckwits at the Guardian too.

    Fuck her.

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    This is not the BREXIT thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    New Zealand is a much younger developed democracy, perhaps in the throes of trying to do too much too soon? Many of them come from white European (British) agricultural backgrounds, attracted by the space and climate available there.
    Again, the minority shouts loudest, and governments bend to that clamor for greater participation in the decision making process.
    The demographics have changed quite a bit since the 'agricultural' migrants.

    In this case the minority was told and encouraged to shout the loudest for no apparent reason aside from pandering to them, added to which the decision-making process was also given to this minority by having compulsory 'minority' seats or 'wards'. Democratic? Hardly. Going against wishes of the voters? Definitely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    You're the person who goes after me rather than posting on topic in response.

    Repeatedly on the BREXIT thread, for example.

    You massive twat.
    Thank you for yet another thoughtful and well researched post. I’d like to say it was deep and meaningful but …….

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWilly View Post
    This is not the BREXIT thread.
    Thats ok Willy. He is a devout political hypocrite who supports Labour because they pander to minorities, who have zero effect on his chosen lifestyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    The demographics have changed quite a bit since the 'agricultural' migrants.

    In this case the minority was told and encouraged to shout the loudest for no apparent reason aside from pandering to them, added to which the decision-making process was also given to this minority by having compulsory 'minority' seats or 'wards'. Democratic? Hardly. Going against wishes of the voters? Definitely.
    The demography may have changed, but over 70% of the population are declared as ‘European’. In this case founded historically by a surplus of agricultural folk from the British Isles.
    The Māori without including Pacific Islanders contribute a similar percentage to the NZ content, as ethnic minorities do in the UK. Many UK settled migrants come from commitments made to the former commonwealth. In New Zealand the reverse is true.
    Having a dig at any minority is still verboten on racial grounds. That was my main point.

    The UK may claim to be more multi cultural, but in the main it will always be a collection of multiple cultures. The aim may be admirable but the truth is a subtle difference.like will always attract like and that will always become a problem when minorities are granted licence which is not justified by their numbers.

    It creates problems exemplified by the kind of behaviors in Leicester, and parts of the North West, and South Yorkshire.

    The majority is effectively silenced by labeling them as racists, or even white supremacists. Apart from another minority group centered around the BNP, nothing could be further from the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    The majority is effectively silenced by labeling them as racists, or even white supremacists ... nothing could be further from the truth.
    Like these comments? Add misogynist etc...


    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I see this has triggered the trumpanzee wannabes.
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    The aged white redneck demographic
    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    he didn't like a female telling him what to do


    An interesting article:

    How NZ wages compare with some of the wealthiest countries, from Ireland to Singapore | Stuff.co.nz

    . . . with a rather poignant reminder of how transparent her government is/was:

    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is asking her ministers to prioritise policy over the summer break, saying the Government needs a clear focus on the economy in 2023.
    . . . and she then abruptly resigns, leaving the party scrambling for succession, politicking and not concentrating on the economy.

    Class act.
    Last edited by panama hat; 25-01-2023 at 06:40 AM.

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    I must have missed the 'scramble for succession'.

    From a distance, admittedly, it seems to have been pretty seamless.

    Especially when compared to the ongoing debacle that is the ruling party in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Especially when compared to the ongoing debacle that is the ruling party in the UK.
    But that is very unique . . . well, maybe the Seppos could compete. The scramble was there - demands were being thrown about and in the end Hipkins (who isn't bad at all) was the anointed one . . . with concessions and the 'right' deputy leader, which surprisingly wasn't Nanaia Mahuta.

    A bit harsh but in general quite true:

    ĎLike a rat fleeing a sinking shipí: Why Jacinda Ardern is leaving others to clean up her mess

    A compliant and unquestioning media wears the blame for Jacinda Ardernís flawed authoritarian agenda, writes Caroline Di Russo.

    As I was pondering a second long black this morning, news broke that Jacinda Ardern would resign as New Zealand Prime Minister and call an election for 14 October, 2023.

    Her resignation was chock full of the usual platitudes about what a privilege it was to lead New Zealand, how she wanted to spend more time with her family and that she didnít have enough left in the tank for continue with the job.
    Her trademark weaponised compassion was again on display, and surely, she will be remembered for how effortlessly she pretended to care.


    Until recently, she was fawned over by a compliant and unquestioning media which totally failed to keep her and her authoritarian agenda in check.
    Remember the wellness budget and KiwiBuild?
    They were the lowlights of a policy platform so laughably deficient it was hard to work out whether Ardern was malicious or just masterfully incompetent.
    I believe her that she doesnít have anything left in the tank.



    As I was pondering a second long black this morning, news broke that Jacinda Ardern would resign as New Zealand Prime Minister and call an election for 14 October, 2023.

    Her resignation was chock full of the usual platitudes about what a privilege it was to lead New Zealand, how she wanted to spend more time with her family and that she didnít have enough left in the tank for continue with the job.
    Her trademark weaponised compassion was again on display, and surely, she will be remembered for how effortlessly she pretended to care.

    Until recently, she was fawned over by a compliant and unquestioning media which totally failed to keep her and her authoritarian agenda in check.
    Remember the wellness budget and KiwiBuild?
    They were the lowlights of a policy platform so laughably deficient it was hard to work out whether Ardern was malicious or just masterfully incompetent.
    I believe her that she doesnít have anything left in the tank.

    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announces her resignation at the War Memorial Centre on January 19, 2023 in Napier, New Zealand. Picture: Kerry Marshall/Getty Images

    I trust it took considerable effort to wreak the kind of havoc she did on the Kiwis.
    After inflicting one of the longest and harshest COVID-19 lockdowns on her people, openly admitting to creating separate classes of citizen on the basis of vaccination status, and torching the domestic economy, she is washing her hands of the consequences and has executed a perfect hospital handpass to the next NZ Labour leader.
    And why would she stick around?
    She won her second term in an intra-pandemic election when Kiwis (like Australians) were heavily influenced by the politics of fear and gagging for politicians to keep them safe.
    As her second term rolled on, and the Kiwi economy and social fabric deteriorated under the strain of the Ardern regime, her poll numbers plummeted.


    Her convenient exit bears all the hallmarks of a rat fleeing a sinking ship. It has a decidedly Oakeshott/Windsor look to it.
    Clearly, her jaw is so fragile that she refuses to face the electorate and be accountable for the destruction and division she has visited on New Zealand.
    So, as the mediaís love affair with Ardern wanes, and she is asked questions she has no intention of answering, she takes her bat and ball and goes home.
    The final act of this tragedy is Ardern leaving a mess for someone else to clean up.
    And this tells us all we need to know - because the mark of a true leader is that they do not leave to others what they are not willing to do themselves.
    Ardernís ultimate legacy will be as a shirker of responsibility.


    ‘Like a rat fleeing a sinking ship’: Why Jacinda Ardern is leaving others to clean up her mess | Sky News Australia


    The media here was unquestionably one-sided here, it was almost a matter of state-run propaganda. Internationally she came across as amazing; her age and gender, apparent covid success etc . . . at home it was a different story. So many people are suffering here now, many reasons for this are hers to shoulder. The racial divide she created wil take a very long time to heal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    The media here was unquestionably one-sided here, it was almost a matter of state-run propaganda. Internationally she came across as amazing; her age and gender, apparent covid success etc . . . at home it was a different story. So many people are suffering here now, many reasons for this are hers to shoulder. The racial divide she created wil take a very long time to heal.
    First, isn't Sky News Australia , Australian ? and thus "international" ?
    Second, Isn't Sky News Australia a conservative leaning news outlet? perhaps the equivalent of Australia's version of Fox .

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    I must have missed the 'scramble for succession'.

    From a distance, admittedly, it seems to have been pretty seamless.

    Especially when compared to the ongoing debacle that is the ruling party in the UK.
    If the current Government is failing it is the duty of His Majesty’s loyal opposition to hold them to account. Even you can’t choose to usurp that responsibility, however badly it might be executed.

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    The job of opposition is to oppose, but also to propose. Beyond tax cuts for the wealthiest, which they've since walked back, they've got not much to offer the voters of Aotearoa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Second, Isn't Sky News Australia a conservative leaning news outlet?
    It is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    First, isn't Sky News Australia , Australian ? and thus "international" ?
    Attached at the hip, BB


    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Second, Isn't Sky News Australia a conservative leaning news outlet? perhaps the equivalent of Australia's version of Fox .
    No.



    Quote Originally Posted by happynz View Post
    The job of opposition is to oppose, but also to propose. Beyond tax cuts for the wealthiest, which they've since walked back, they've got not much to offer the voters of Aotearoa.
    Perhaps your obvious dislike for National is clouding your vision . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by happynz View Post
    Certainly things are better under Labour than with that utter douchebag John Key.

    I'm sure as fuck not a National Party nor ACT voter either.




    Quote Originally Posted by happynz View Post
    Certainly things are better under Labour than with that utter douchebag John Key
    .

    Prouder, wealthier, more confident: 10 of the National government’s big achievements | The Spinoff


    Whew luckily you're a Green, NZ First or Maori Party supporter and have an open mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai
    Second, Isn't Sky News Australia a conservative leaning news outlet? perhaps the equivalent of Australia's version of Fox .
    No.
    No to what?,
    isn't Sky Australia a conservative news outlet? and as such biased against Jacinda Ardern. The first thing I do when I read an article is research the source, and their bio describe their orientation as conservative.
    If indeed as you said " at home it was a different story." is true, and I am not saying that it is not, but if it was true wouldn't be more credible to be quoting some of those domestic sources ,and preferably not conservatives ones that might be biased against her?
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Prouder, wealthier, more confident: 10 of the National government’s big achievements | The Spinoff
    Written by ex tobacco lobbyist and current National list MP Chris Bishop.

    555

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    ^Anything...and I mean anything would be better than Aderns government. They couldn't organise an erection in a Monastery .Totally inept except for a couple of heavy lifters.The rest are a joke. A fucking bad joke at best.

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    I guess two ticks blue from Little Chuchok.

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