Poor, poor, poor Rudy

[S Landreth]

After a jury decides he owes two election workers 148 million, he is sued again, by the same election workers.

• Rudy Giuliani sued again by former election workers who now want a court order against further defamatory remarks

Days after being awarded $148 million in damages against Rudy Giuliani in a defamation suit, two former Georgia election workers have filed a new lawsuit against the former Trump lawyer over remarks he made about them immediately following Friday's verdict.

The new suit by Ruby Freeman and Wandrea “Shaye” Moss seeks a court order permanently barring Giuliani "from persisting in his defamatory campaign" against the mother and daughter pair, arguing that he's continued to falsely accuse them of committing election fraud even after a federal jury handed down last week's verdict in Washington, D.C.

The lawsuit notes that Giuliani told reporters after the trial that his long-debunked allegations "were supportable and are supportable today." He also told Newsmax that "he was in possession of video evidence demonstrating the truth of his allegations."

In Monday's filing, attorneys for Freeman and Moss said they'd asked for Giuliani to stop smearing their clients, and said he would not.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...263084.1.0.pdf

[spliff]

It's criminal, is all I have to say.

[S Landreth]

Poor, poor, poor Rudy.

Will he ever be able to afford an appeal bond?

[thailazer]

We have no shortage of idiots in the world.

[S Landreth]

^learning to deal with them

________


More good news

On Tuesday, the case docket showed that the litigation had been assigned to U.S. District Court Judge Beryl Howell, who presided over a recent verdict where Giuliani was ordered to pay Freeman and Moss $148 million for defamation.

The court also issued a summons for Giuliani.

[S Landreth]

Poor, poor, poor Rudy

• Judge orders Rudy Giuliani to start paying Georgia election workers $146 million

Former Georgia election workers Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss can immediately seek enforcement of their $146 million financial judgment against Rudy Giuliani because there is good reason to assume he will not comply, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.

“Giuliani’s failure to ‘satisfy even more modest monetary awards entered earlier in this case,’ provides good cause to believe that he will seek to dissipate or conceal his assets during the 30-day period,” U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell wrote in her order.

The decision allows Freeman and Moss to go after Giuliani's assets in New York and Florida.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...20.144.0_1.pdf

[S Landreth]

Poor, poor, poor Rudy

• Rudy Giulian has filed for bankruptcy, days after being ordered to pay $148 million in a defamation lawsuit brought by two former election workers in Georgia who said his targeting of them led to death threats that made them fear for their lives.

In his filing Thursday, the former New York City mayor listed nearly $153 million in existing or potential debts, including close to a million dollars in tax liabilities, money he owes his lawyers and many millions of dollars in potential legal judgements in lawsuits against him. He estimated his assets to be between $1 million and $10 million.

The biggest debt is the $148 million he was ordered to pay a week ago for making false statements about the election workers in Georgia stemming from the 2020 presidential contest.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...319064.1.0.pdf

[S Landreth]

Poor, poor, poor Rudy

Because defamation is an "intentional tort" — meaning Giuliani broke civil laws on purpose — he can't jettison the $148 million judgment through the bankruptcy process

• Rudy Giuliani files for bankruptcy. It won't get him off the hook for the $148 million he owes.

Rudy Giuliani says he's bankrupt.

But bankruptcy protections won't save him from having to pay out the $148 million he owes two Georgia elections workers he defamed, a bankruptcy expert told Business Insider.

Giuliani — who's gone from former New York City mayor to die-hard Trump ally — filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in New York on Thursday, less than a week after a court found him liable of defamation.

"The filing should be a surprise to no one," Ted Goodman, a political advisor to Giuliani, said in a statement. "No person could have reasonably believed that Mayor Rudy Giuliani would be able to pay such a high punitive amount."

Goodman said the bankruptcy filing would give Giuliani "the opportunity and time to pursue an appeal, while providing transparency for his finances under the supervision of the bankruptcy court, to ensure all creditors are treated equally and fairly throughout the process."

Because defamation is an "intentional tort" — meaning Giuliani broke civil laws on purpose — he can't jettison the $148 million judgment through the bankruptcy process, according to Eric Snyder, the chairman of the bankruptcy practice at Wilk Auslander LLP.

"If you owe somebody money and you get a judgment, you can get rid of that in the bankruptcy," Snyder told Business Insider. "But if the judgment comes from certain things — like fraud, breach of your duties, intentional torts — then you can't get rid of them."

The bankruptcy filing doesn't list his assets, but it estimates them to be worth between $1 million and $10 million. Business Insider previously reported that Giuliani has listed a New York City apartment for sale at a $6.5 million asking price, but has studiously avoided disclosing any details about his finances in several ongoing court battles.

On the other side of the ledger, Giuliani listed up to $500 million in liabilities, including the $148 million judgment for the Georgia election workers, Ruby Freeman and Wandrea "Shaye" Moss, as well as more than $700,000 to the IRS, and more than $265,000 to New York tax authorities.

The liabilities also include potentially hundreds of millions more to other people and companies that have sued him, including Hunter Biden (alleged hacking of his laptop), Noelle Dunphy (alleged sexual assault), Daniel Gill (allegedly lying to police to get him arrested), Smartmatic (alleged defamation for election conspiracy theories), Dominion (also alleged defamation for election conspiracy theories), and former Dominion executive Eric Coomer (alleged defamation for — you guessed it — election conspiracy theories).

US District Judge Beryl Howell, the judge overseeing the case brought by Freeman and Moss, on Wednesday ordered Giuliani to pay the $148 million immediately, which appeared to be the direct trigger for the bankruptcy filing.

The bankruptcy automatically pauses all pending civil lawsuits against him. It also means that the other plaintiffs suing Giuliani would be fighting for scraps.

"If these two workers are in for 148 million, how hard are people going to want to fight to split up 5 or 6 million?" Snyder told Business Insider.

A Dominion spokesperson told Business Insider that the company planned to move ahead with its defamation lawsuit against Giuliani anyway, wanting to hold him responsible for his falsehoods about the company's role in the 2020 election.

"Dominion's effort to hold Rudy Giuliani accountable will move forward," the spokesperson said.

A lawyer for Noelle Dunphy said her suit will also move forward.

"Whatever the state of Mr. Giuliani's finances, and whatever other circumstances he may face, we will never be deterred from our pursuit of justice and accountability," Attorney Justin Kelton told Business Insider in a statement.

Dunphy's lawsuit also names as defendants several of the ex-mayor's companies, which have not yet filed for bankruptcy.

The bankruptcy also won't stop the criminal prosecution against Giuliani, in Fulton County, over his role in trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election in Georgia.

According to Snyder, that case puts Giuliani in a bind, since he may be hesitant to disclose all of his personal information in the bankruptcy case out of worry that the Atlanta prosecutors will use it against him.

He has to thread a needle by answering the questions demanded by the judge and the creditors, while not sharing anything that would jeopardize his criminal defense.

"I'm sure his criminal lawyer will tell him not to answer certain questions in the bankruptcy," Snyder said.

[helge]

On the other side of the ledger, Giuliani listed up to $500 million in liabilities, including the $148 million judgment for the Georgia election workers, Ruby Freeman and Wandrea "Shaye" Moss, as well as more than $700,000 to the IRS, and more than $265,000 to New York tax authorities.

The liabilities also include potentially hundreds of millions more to other people and companies that have sued him, including Hunter Biden (alleged hacking of his laptop), Noelle Dunphy (alleged sexual assault), Daniel Gill (allegedly lying to police to get him arrested), Smartmatic (alleged defamation for election conspiracy theories), Dominion (also alleged defamation for election conspiracy theories), and former Dominion executive Eric Coomer (alleged defamation for — you guessed it — election conspiracy theories).

So.. he isn't going to jail for any of this ?


Whereas "drunk Joe" down the pub smacks a guy, who insulted his mother, will go to jail for a year ?


Same shit here; class society rules

[S Landreth]

So.. he isn't going to jail for any of this ?

nope. but he will be sharing his earnings with two wonderful election workers for the rest of his short life

[pickel]

nope. but he will be sharing his earnings with two wonderful election workers for the rest of his short life

The lawyers get paid first. Doubt there will be anything left after that.

[helge]

So..his bad behaviour is deemed worth 145 mills in fines but not one week in the slammer ?

Pickel ?

Help !

[pickel]

^
As far as I know, it's a civil case, not a criminal one. So no jail time.

Remember OJ Simpson?

[helge]

it's a civil case, not a criminal one. So no jail time.

Oh

So the "official system" didn't find it severe enough ?

Trying to understand the ways here

Remember OJ Simpson?

Those were the times

[S Landreth]

The lawyers get paid first.

No. Anyone who has a lien is paid first (IRS and probably mortgage companies/banks).

If a lawyer doesn’t have a lien on any of Rudy’s properties (NY and Fla*) the bankruptcy court could discharge them.

*You can keep your home in Florida if you file for bankruptcy and you’ve been claiming that home as your primary residence (and if it is in your name and not owned by a company).

[helge]

Originally Posted by pickel
The lawyers get paid first.

No.

Now, why don't I believe that ?

[S Landreth]

^Another night of up late, lonely and desperate for attention

how many liens have you ever held?

[pickel]

If a lawyer doesn’t have a lien on any of Rudy’s properties (NY and Fla*) the bankruptcy court could discharge them.

And why wouldn't the lawyers put liens on his properties?

*You can keep your home in Florida if you file for bankruptcy and you’ve been claiming that home as your primary residence (and if it is in your name and not owned by a company).

He owns multiple properties.

[helge]

Another night of up late,

`???..

[S Landreth]

And why wouldn't the lawyers put liens on his properties?

They would have to win a judgement first

He owns multiple properties.

as I understand two. One in NY and one in FLA

[pickel]

They would have to win a judgement first

I was including the victims lawyers in my statement.

[S Landreth]

^moving goalposts

Edit: Anyway there’s a line. Whoever holds the first lien is paid first (probably a bank). The second lien holder is paid next (IRS).

And so forth…….

[pickel]

^moving goalposts

Nope, that would be you.

[S Landreth]

• Poor, poor, poor Rudy

Rudy Giuliani has been a knight for more than 20 years. He might not be one for much longer.

In the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks in 2001, Rudy Giuliani was widely hailed as "America's Mayor" for his response coordinating with federal agencies and providing comforting rhetoric.

Queen Elizabeth II gave him an honorary knighthood several months later. Because Giuliani isn't British, he can't use "Sir" before his name. But he can affix "KBE," a reference to "Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire," to the end of it, according to British royal protocol.

Fast forward more than two decades, and Giuliani could be at risk of losing that honorary knighthood, according to The Daily Beast.

Earlier this month, a jury decided Giuliani owed $148 million in damages to two Georgia election workers he defamed. He declared bankruptcy in response.

The jury verdict is just one of Giuliani's many legal problems, which also include a criminal indictment in an election interference case.

Withdrawing an honorary knighthood is rare. If Giuliani loses his, it will put him in company with former Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe and Italian fascist leader Benito Mussolini.

According to The Daily Beast, the British government cabinet can form a Forfeiture Committee, which can consider recommendations for removals. Those recommendations would then be sent to Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, who would send them to King Charles III, who would then decide whether to withdraw the honor.

According to the British cabinet office, it will "automatically" consider recommending stripping someone of knighthood if they have been "been censured or struck off by the relevant regulatory authority or professional body."

That may apply to Giuliani, who lost his ability to practice law in New York after promoting falsehoods about the 2020 election and may soon lose his legal license in Washington, DC.

If Giuliani pleads guilty or is found guilty at trial in his criminal election interference case in Georgia, that could potentially fulfill the criteria of having "been found guilty by the courts of a criminal offense and sentenced to a term of imprisonment of more than three months."

Tom Brake, the leader of the democratic reform group Unlock Democracy and a former British parliament member, told The Daily Beast that Giuliani ought to lose his knighthood after trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election on behalf of former President Donald Trump.

"Anyone who tries to overturn a legitimate election result I think should not be worthy of an honor and a knighthood under the British honors system," he said.

But the issue is also a political one. If Trump wins the 2024 election, British authorities may decide it isn't worth antagonizing him.

"I think this ultimately boils down to a political question," Toby Harper, a scholar of the British honors system at Arizona State University, told The Daily Beast. "Does the British government have the political will to endorse, I guess, the ways in which American society or the American justice system has censured Giuliani?"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside...ld-be-stripped

[S Landreth]

• Poor, poor, poor Rudy

Rudy Giuliani expresses regret that he didn't take a pension in wake of bankruptcy

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani admitted he could use the pension he never applied for.

Giuliani told the New York Post that he was "giving back to the city I love" when he declined to apply for a pension. From 1981 to 1983, he worked as the assistant United States Attorney General before becoming U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York until 1989 and serving as mayor from 1994 to 2001.

"Although I would like to take it now," Giuliani said of his pension. "I don't know how to go about it."

As a two-term mayor, Giuliani would have been eligible for $26,000 in annual pension payments after turning 62. At 79, Giuliani could have had $442,000.

The comment comes over a week after Giuliani filed for Chapter 11 in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in the Southern District of New York, listing estimated assets of between $1 million and $10 million along with liabilities of $100 million to $500 million. Earlier this month, a court ordered him to pay $148 million to two Georgia election workers, Ruby Freeman and her daughter Wandrea Moss, whom he defamed by falsely claiming they colluded to steal the election.

Giuliani has already been disbarred in New York. He remains the only other attorney formerly employed by Donald Trump to lose his bar license.

Giuliani is facing another legal battle in Georgia. He stands accused of attempting to illegally overturn the results of the 2020 election in Fulton County. He has pleaded not guilty along with former President Donald Trump, but four defendants involved have pleaded guilty so far.