Russia launches Ukraine invasion

**sabang** · 21-02-2023, 09:40 AM

Seriously, people even care about Biden's fleeting visit? I think it has a lot more to do with domestic politicking than anything substantive.

**harrybarracuda** · 21-02-2023, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Seriously, people even care about Biden's fleeting visit? I think it has a lot more to do with domestic politicking than anything substantive.

Yeah but you don't know what you're talking about.

Pro-Kremlin pundits are furious over US President Joe Biden's surprise trip to Ukraine's capital on Monday, criticizing Russia for allowing it to happen and calling it a "humiliation" for Moscow.
The White House gave Russian President Vladimir Putin "hours" notice before Biden's unannounced trip, in which he met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and toured the capital, Kyiv.
Russian state TV host Sergey Mardan called Biden's visit a "demonstrative humiliation of Russia" in a Telegram post to his more than 231,000 subscribers.

Biden's Ukraine Trip Is a 'Humiliation' for Russia: Pro-Putin Pundit

Seems more than a few are pissed off that Biden made it to Kyiv and the high-heeled war criminal couldn't manage it even with his enormous, shit army.

**sabang** · 21-02-2023, 10:11 AM

So tell us the significance of this fleeting visit Prof 'arry.

**harrybarracuda** · 21-02-2023, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

So tell us the significance of this fleeting visit Prof 'arry.

Can't you read or something?

Pro-Kremlin pundits are furious over US President Joe Biden's surprise trip to Ukraine's capital on Monday, criticizing Russia for allowing it to happen and calling it a "humiliation" for Moscow.

**bsnub** · 21-02-2023, 11:22 AM

That was a historic visit that will go down in history. But more than anything, it was a major slap directly to putins face. Talk about humiliating...

President Joe Biden's surprise visit to Ukraine sparked anger and embarrassment among many of Russia's hawkish military pundits on Monday, increasing pressure on Vladimir Putin as the Russian leader prepares to justify his stuttering invasion in a national address. Biden's historic visit came days before the one-year anniversary of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, providing a symbolic boost to Kyiv at a crucial juncture in the conflict.

But the visit caused fury in Russian pro-military and ultranationalist circles, as it upstages Putin on the eve of a major address in which the Russian president is expected to tout the supposed achievements of what he euphemistically calls a "special military operation."

"Biden in [Kyiv]. Demonstrative humiliation of Russia," Russian journalist Sergey Mardan wrote in a snarky response on his Telegram channel. "Tales of miraculous hypersonics may be left for children. Just like spells about the holy war we are waging with the entire West."

"I guess there are lunch breaks in a holy war," he said.

Russian army veteran and former Federal Security Service (FSB) officer Igor Girkin meanwhile suggested that Biden could have visited the frontlines in eastern Ukraine and escaped unharmed.

"Wouldn't be surprised if the grandfather (he is not good for anything but simple provocations anyway) is brought to Bakhmut as well... AND NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO HIM," Girkin said.

Girkin is among a number of hardline military bloggers -- some of whom have hundreds of thousands of followers and provide analysis of the conflict for large swaths of the Russian population -- who have repeatedly criticized what they consider a "soft" approach on the battlefield by Putin's generals.

For many, the secure and skillfully executed visit of a US President was another symbol of a faltering campaign.

A Telegram account managed by Russian army and naval servicemembers, Zapiski michmana Ptichkina, noted ironically that Biden had reached Kyiv before Russian President Vladimir Putin. "Almost a year after the beginning of the Special military operation, we are waiting in the Russian city of [Kyiv] for the president of the Russian Federation, but not for the [President of the] United States," it said.

Biden's visit was an unprecedented journey by a US leader into an active warzone where the US did not have a large military presence.

A few hours before he departed, the United States informed Russia of the plans to visit the Ukrainian capital for "deconfliction purposes," according to Biden's national security adviser Jake Sullivan.

CNN has reached out to the Kremlin, which has not yet publicly commented on Biden's trip. But Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev dismissed the trip, accusing the US of warmongering support for Ukraine.

"Biden, having received security guarantees in advance, finally went to Kyiv," Medvedev said in a statement on Telegram. "And of course, there were mutual incantations about the victory that would come with new weapons and a courageous people. And here it is important to note that the West already delivers weapons and money to Kyiv quite regularly. In huge quantities, allowing the military-industrial complex of NATO countries to earn money and steal weapons to sell to terrorists around the world."

Medvedev, who currently serves as deputy head of Russia's Security Council, is known for making belligerent pronouncements in an apparent bid to shore up his nationalist credentials.

The debate over Biden's visit will be unwelcome to Putin, who will on Tuesday make a major speech to the Federal Assembly in which he will discuss the ongoing invasion.

Participants of what Russia refers to as its "special military operation" will be in attendance but foreign guests or representatives will not be invited, the Kremlin's spokesperson told reporters Monday.

Putin is expected to launch a renewed offensive in Ukraine in the coming weeks, more than one year after he began Europe's biggest land war since World War II with a failed assault on Kyiv and central Ukraine.

Biden'''s Ukraine visit upstages Putin and leaves Moscow'''s military pundits raging - CNN

**malmomike77** · 21-02-2023, 11:33 AM

^ does anybody read what's previously posted?

**39TG** · 21-02-2023, 12:49 PM

Way to go Joe. As for previous posts, good link from bsnub.

I think Putin is scum and the sooner he is dead or deposed the better. If the next prick is worse, then I hope he suffers the same fate.

**bsnub** · 21-02-2023, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by malmomike77

does anybody read what's previously posted?

Ops. Missed that it was already posted.

Originally Posted by 39TG

I think Putin is scum and the sooner he is dead or deposed the better.

Indeed, the sooner, the better.

**harrybarracuda** · 21-02-2023, 02:32 PM

The high-heeled war criminal has instructed his drones to tell everyone he doesn't care.
Truth is he feels a right c u n t right now.

**bsnub** · 21-02-2023, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Truth is he feels a right c u n t right now.

It is not just him, it is all of his cronies and the entire Vatnik world that is highly triggered by Biden's bitch slap.

**Bob Mason** · 21-02-2023, 04:59 PM

He, Putin, is speaking as I write. Hundreds of stoney faced craven cowards watching him.

**misskit** · 21-02-2023, 06:05 PM

US alerted Russia of Biden's surprise trip to Ukraine hours before he arrived, officials say

Following President Joe Biden's surprise visit to the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv on Monday, senior members of his administration detailed the security discussions that led up to the decision to go on the trip and the content of the meetings Biden had with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy over the course of his roughly five hours in the city.

And while the officials remained tight-lipped about the precise security details required to manage the trip, including Biden's mode of transportation in and out of the war-torn country, they did say that the U.S. informed Russia of the visit shortly before Biden left for Ukraine.

"We did notify the Russians that President Biden would be traveling to Kyiv. We did so some hours before his departure for deconfliction purposes," Jake Sullivan, the national security adviser to the president, told reporters on Monday morning in a press briefing.

"Because of the sensitive nature of those communications, I won't get into how they responded or what the precise nature of our message was. But I can confirm that we provided that notification," Sullivan said.

The planning for the trip was incredibly delicate, said John Finer, the U.S. deputy national security adviser, and began months prior.

MORE US alerted Russia of Biden'''s surprise trip to Ukraine hours before he arrived, officials say - ABC News

**bsnub** · 21-02-2023, 06:47 PM

Pro-Putin pundits are furious Biden made a surprise trip to Kyiv, calling it a 'humiliation' for Russia

Pro-Kremlin pundits are furious over US President Joe Biden's surprise trip to Ukraine's capital on Monday, criticizing Russia for allowing it to happen and calling it a "humiliation" for Moscow.

The White House gave Russian President Vladimir Putin "hours" notice before Biden's unannounced trip, in which he met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and toured the capital, Kyiv.

Russian state TV host Sergey Mardan called Biden's visit a "demonstrative humiliation of Russia" in a Telegram post to his more than 231,000 subscribers.

Mardan was angry Russia didn't take action as it wages the "holy war that we are waging with the entire West."

"Apparently, in a holy war lunch breaks happen," he fumed.

Ex-Russian military commander Igor Girkin said in a Telegram post that Biden — who he referred to disparagingly as "grandfather" — could be taken to the front lines of the war in Bakhmut, Ukraine, and nothing would happen to him.

"Joe Biden arrived in Kyiv," Girkin said. "I won't be surprised if they will bring grandfather (he's not good for anything, except for uncomplicated provocations anyway) to Bakhmut as well... AND NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO HIM."

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...pundits-2023-2

Additionally, a Telegram account run by Russian army and naval service members pointed out that Biden made it to Kyiv before Putin.

"Almost a year after the start of the Special Military Operation, in the Russian city of Kyiv we were waiting for the president of the Russian Federation, not the United States," the post read.

When Putin launched his invasion of Ukraine nearly a year ago, he expected a swift victory and thought Russia's military could capture Kyiv in two days.

But, Russian forces failed to take the Ukrainian capital and were driven back.

Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, called Biden's visit to Kyiv the "most important one in the whole history of Ukraine-US relations" in a tweet.

"Kremlin propagandists call Biden's visit to Kyiv 'a demonstrative humiliation,'" Gerashchenko noted in another tweet, adding, "Get used to it."

Biden met with Zelenskyy while in Kyiv on Monday to "reaffirm our unwavering and unflagging commitment to Ukraine's democracy, sovereignty, and territorial integrity," the US president said.

"When Putin launched his invasion nearly one year ago, he thought Ukraine was weak and the West was divided," Biden said in a statement. "He thought he could outlast us. But he was dead wrong."

Biden's Ukraine Trip Is a 'Humiliation' for Russia: Pro-Putin Pundit

**S Landreth** · 21-02-2023, 07:28 PM

Putin: Russia to suspend participation in last remaining nuclear treaty with U.S.

Russian President Vladimir Putin announced on Monday that Russia was suspending its participation in the New START nuclear arms control treaty — the last remaining arms control agreement between Washington and Moscow.

The big picture: The announcement capped off Putin's state of the nation address to Russian lawmakers in which he raged against the West with many of the same claims he has previously used to justify the war in Ukraine.

It also comes a day after President Biden visited Kyiv in a major sign of unwavering U.S. support for Ukraine during the war.

Catch up quick: The U.S. earlier this year accused Russia of violating the terms of the New START (Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty) pact by refusing to allow on-site inspections.

The New START treaty, which entered into force in 2011 and had been extended through February 2026, seeks to limit the long-range nuclear weapons programs of the U.S. and Russia.
The two countries agreed in March 2020 to suspend inspections due to the COVID-19 pandemic. But when the U.S. sought to resume them last August, Russia rebuffed the efforts, the State Department said.

What he's saying: "I am forced to announce today that Russia is suspending its participation in the strategic offensive arms treaty," Putin said at the end of his major speech on Monday, just three days ahead of one year anniversary of the war in Ukraine.

During the speech, Putin also railed against Western nations with his own version of history, relying on his oft-used claim that Russia was forced to invade Ukraine to defend itself against Western actions — a narrative the West and Ukraine have repeatedly rejected.
Ukraine "has become hostage of the Kyiv regime and its Western masters, which have effectively occupied the country," Putin said, adding that the West has "effectively occupied this country in the political, military and economic sense."
"They intend to transform a local conflict into a phase of global confrontation. This is exactly how we understand it all and we will react accordingly because in this case, we are talking about the existence of our country," he said.

“It’s they who have started the war. And we are using force to end it."

Putin also said Western sanctions put in place in response to the invasion were meant to "make the people suffer ... but their calculation did not materialize."

"The Russian economy and the management turned out to be much stronger than they thought," he said.

Between the lines: The Kremlin postponed last year's address over Putin's "work schedule," though many linked the decision to a series of setbacks Russian forces faced on the ground in Ukraine.

What to watch: Biden, who is in Poland, is scheduled to give his own address on the war from Warsaw later Tuesday.

Standing next to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Kyiv on Monday, Biden declared "Putin's war of conquest is failing."
"Russia’s aim was to wipe Ukraine off the map," Biden said. “He’s just been plain wrong."

**Norton** · 22-02-2023, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Pro-Kremlin pundits are furious over US President Joe Biden's surprise trip to Ukraine's capital on Monday, criticizing Russia for allowing it to happen and calling it a "humiliation" for Moscow.

Put furious in one hand and shit in the other. Bet the shit hand fills first.

Putin comes up with a cockamamie, fabricated justification to invade Poland and is now paying the very big price of his ill thought out venture.

**sabang** · 22-02-2023, 06:33 AM

Putin comes up with a cockamamie, fabricated justification to invade Poland

Think you might have confused him with Adolf norts.

**sabang** · 22-02-2023, 07:59 AM

Poll reveals west more united but gulf growing with countries such as India that do not subscribe to post-cold war view

Jon Henley Europe correspondent

@jonhenley
Wed 22 Feb 2023 10.01 AEDT

Almost a year after Russia’s war against Ukraine started, it has united the west, according to a 15-country survey – but exposed a widening gulf with the rest of the world that is defining the contours of a future global order.

The study, by the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR) thinktank, surveyed opinions in nine EU member states, including France, Germany and Poland, and in Britain and the US, as well as China, Russia, India and Turkey.

It revealed sharp geographical differences in attitudes to the war, democracy and the global balance of power, the authors said, suggesting Russia’s aggression may be a historic turning point marking the emergence of a “post-western” world order.

“The paradox of the Ukraine war is that the west is both more united, and less influential in the world, than ever before,” said Mark Leonard, the thinktank’s director and a co-author of the report, based on polling carried out last month.

Timothy Garton Ash, a professor of European studies at Oxford University, who also worked on the study, called the findings “extremely sobering”. The survey showed the war had given the transatlantic west unity and purpose, he said.

However, it had “utterly failed to persuade major powers of the rest, such as China, India and Turkey”. The lesson was clear: “We urgently need a new narrative that is actually persuasive to countries like India, the world’s largest democracy.”

The survey showed western views of Russia had hardened in the past year. Large majorities in Britain (77%), the US (71%) and the nine EU states (65%) regarded Russia as an “adversary”, with which their country was in conflict, or in competition as a “rival”.

On the other hand, just 14% in the US, 15% in the nine EU states surveyed and 8% in Britain viewed Russia as an “ally” who shared their interests, or a “necessary partner”. Western respondents were equally negative in how they described Russia.

Asked to pick two out of 10 proposed descriptions, in the US 45% and 41% respectively of survey respondents chose “aggressive” and “untrustworthy”, along with 48% and 30% in the nine EU countries and 57% and 49% in Britain.

Across the nine EU countries polled, an average of 55% of people favoured continuing sanctions against Moscow even at the expense of economic pain.

Compared with a similar poll last summer, moreover, Russia’s war against Ukraine was now seen by more people in the western alliance as a fight for democracy and their own security – and as a war not just in, but on, Europe, ECFR said.

In the US, 36% of respondents said support for Ukraine was driven mostly by the need to defend American democracy, whereas the prevailing view in the UK (44%) and among the EU nine (45%) was that backing Ukraine was about defending their own security.

More people in Europe (44% in Britain, 38% in the EU nine) believed Ukraine should retake all its territory, even at the cost of a longer war, and fewer (22% and 30%) wanted the war to stop as soon as possible, even if that meant Ukraine ceding land to Russia.

Responses from the non-western countries surveyed, however, were very different. Large numbers of people in China (76%), India (77%) and Turkey (73%), for example, said they felt Russia was “stronger” or “as strong” as before the war. They saw Moscow as a strategic “ally” and “necessary partner” of their country (79%, 79%, 69%).
Similarly, many more (41% in China, 48% in Turkey and 54% in India) wanted the war to end as soon as possible, even if that meant Ukraine ceding territory, while just 23%, 27%, and 30% thought Ukraine should regain its land even at the cost of a longer conflict.

FULL- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/21/war-in-ukraine-defining-new-world-order-says-thinktank

**harrybarracuda** · 22-02-2023, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

War in Ukraine defining new world order

What bollocks is it this time?

Bipolar? Tripolar? Polarbear?

**sabang** · 22-02-2023, 09:57 AM

Multipolarbear? You tell me- it's in flux, anyway.

**harrybarracuda** · 22-02-2023, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Multipolarbear? You tell me- it's in flux, anyway.

Silly boy, I can't tell you, you have to form your opinion based on your latest propaganda site.

**bsnub** · 22-02-2023, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

your latest propaganda site.

He trots them out like a new pair of pants. Clearly, the shit stream of BS propaganda is endless.

**sabang** · 22-02-2023, 12:52 PM

Clearly your definition of 'propaganda' is stuff you don't want to hear (especially if it is right). So yeh sure, I got plenty more of that.

**bsnub** · 22-02-2023, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Clearly your definition of 'propaganda' is stuff you don't want to hear

Wrong! My definition is the same as below...

information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

"he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda"

You are guilty as charged.

Originally Posted by sabang

So yeh sure, I got plenty more of that.

What you have is a lot of bankrupt ideology, lies and horseshit.

**sabang** · 22-02-2023, 02:48 PM

The fact that Ukraine is losing this war is not a political point. Lying about it, and pretending Ukraine is winning, is. That is propaganda based on a lie.

**bsnub** · 22-02-2023, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

The fact that Ukraine is losing this war is not a political point.

It is not a point at all because it is BS. Just because you keep repeating yourself does not make it true, dippy. The facts on the ground have indicated otherwise for months.

Originally Posted by sabang

Lying about it, and pretending Ukraine is winning, is.

You really do have mental health problems. Let's look at all the Ukrainian victories over the last 9 months, shall we....

Kyiv
Chernihiv
Kharkiv
Lyman
Kherson
Vuhledar

Russian victories...

Soledar and it cost them 40k men.

Originally Posted by sabang

That is propaganda based on a lie.

The only one lying and posting propaganda is you, and several other posters on this forum have openly mentioned that too you. You are detached from reality.

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