Thread: Russia launches Ukraine invasion

Originally Posted by sabang

Did you translate #2549 yourself helge, or use Google translate?

Google

But google has limits, so had to do it in many bits.

I found it interesting; no harm in knowing how others feel and think

Originally Posted by sabang

I wish we anglos were privy to more non-English media actually

Originally Posted by helge

However, Alina Lipp has no intention of stopping the mission as a pro-Russian influencer.

i.e. Not a journalist. Just another useful idiot.

Originally Posted by pickel

i.e. Not a journalist. Just another useful idiot.

Could be

What do you think about the article ?

I was watching some missile launches and wondered how much a Javelin missile costs not to mention the cost of the launching weapon.

According to the U.S. Army's 2023 budget for missile procurement, the cost for a single Javelin all-up round – that is, one missile – is $197,884. That's only slightly cheaper than a new 2022 Ferrari Roma, and more than enough for older models.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

$197,884.

There is also winners in wars

Originally Posted by helge

What do you think about the article ?

This pretty much sums it up.

Originally Posted by helge

Although Alina Lipp claims she can travel freely on the Russian side of the front, she is almost always surrounded by Putin's combat troops. She rides along in their military convoys and follows in their footsteps through conquered cities and lands. When she interviews locals, she is usually flanked by Russian soldiers ready to shoot.

It apparently intimidates several of the people she talks to. They can hardly do anything but answer affirmatively to her leading question, whether everything has improved now that the Russians have moved in.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

According to the U.S. Army's 2023 budget for missile procurement, the cost for a single Javelin all-up round – that is, one missile – is $197,884. That's only slightly cheaper than a new 2022 Ferrari Roma, and more than enough for older models.

Ferrari's are harder to launch at Russian tanks though, and don't do as much damage.

Originally Posted by helge

There is also winners in wars

Let me guess. You will be bringing up the Rothschild's next.

Originally Posted by pickel

This pretty much sums it up.

Hmm

The article is a failure then.

I think the aim was to desribe 'influencers', pro russian influencers at that, and to listen to their stories and motives.


I think that your own quote from the article, should document that the author ..isn't pro russian

Nevermind

Originally Posted by helge

There is also winners in wars

A patriot missile costs costs 4 million with the launcher costing 10 million.

An influencer is not media outlet or journalist.

The rise of 'citizen journalism' is a good thing, seeing as our "Free press" have so egregiously discarded the Media code of ethics. Surprise, surprise- so now they clamp down on social or people's media outlets too, such as Youtube and Twitter, cancelling content for the perceived crime of 'Thought Crimes'- how ahead of his times was George Orwell. Why are they so scared?

Thank goodness for Russian owned Telegram.

Originally Posted by sabang

Thank goodness for Russian owned Telegram.

A platform that you are light years behind the times in figuring out about. Surprising that your handlers did not train you in its use out of the gate. Telegram is owned by Pavel Durov he may be Russian but he is no friend of your puppet masters in the Kremlin...

On 16 April 2014, Durov publicly refused to hand over the personal data of Ukrainian protesters to Russia's security agencies and block Alexei Navalny's page on VK.^[5] Instead, he posted the relevant orders on his own VK page,^[27][28] claiming that the requests were unlawful.
On 21 April 2014, Durov was dismissed as CEO of VK. The company claimed it was acting on his letter of resignation a month earlier that he failed to recall.^[5][29] Durov then claimed the company had been effectively taken over by Vladimir Putin's allies,^[29][30] suggesting his ouster was the result of both his refusal to hand over personal details of users to federal law enforcement and his refusal to hand over the personal details of people who were members of a VK group dedicated to the Euromaidan protest movement.^[29][30] Durov then left Russia and stated that he had "no plans to go back"^[30] and that "the country is incompatible with Internet business at the moment".^[5]

9 years ago I defended the private data of Ukrainians from the Russian government — and lost my company and my home. I would do it again without hesitation.

https://twitter.com/durov/status/1500909092990341121

Originally Posted by Norton

Of course it is as is any other source but "intelligent readers" know that no matter the source it will be biased.

You don't have to be an 'intelligent reader' when the word influencer is in the fucking headline.

She is .BIASED !

The article is not


Fuckin hell

I blame global warming on the war not ending sooner.
It should be -40oC now on the front line and all the poorly equipped Russians should have perished by now as in the battle of Stalingrad, albeit the commies are the Nazi's now.

BERLIN/PARIS — Less than a week after Germany finally agreed to supply Ukraine with Marder infantry fighting vehicles, pressure is building on Berlin to step it up and send modern battle tanks.

France and Poland are pushing the EU’s biggest economy to equip Kyiv with its powerful Leopard 2 tank, while Britain is reportedly considering sending about a dozen of its Challenger 2 main battle tanks to Ukraine. If Britain did so, this would make it significantly harder for Berlin to hide behind its current argument that it does not want to act alone in sending heavy weaponry.

Almost a year into Russia’s war against Ukraine, Western military analysts fear Moscow will launch a new offensive in the coming weeks or months, seizing on the depletion of Kyiv’s ammunition reserves.

Supplying modern Western tanks such as the Leopard 2 would be a big boost for Ukraine’s military, as Kyiv’s allies have so far only been willing to send older Soviet-era tanks that had still been in the stocks of Eastern European countries, as well as other weapon systems such as howitzers and air defenses.

A French official told POLITICO that Paris is turning the screws on Germany in the hope of extracting an agreement from Berlin to send Leopard tanks to Ukraine ahead of a Franco-German summit on January 22, the 60th anniversary of the Élysée partnership treaty between the two nations.

Similar pressure is coming from Poland, which wants to form a broad coalition among Western partners to jointly hand over Leopards to Ukraine. “We encourage other countries to form a broad coalition for the transfer of more modern tanks to Ukraine, such as Leopard tanks,” Deputy Foreign Minister Paweł Jabłoński told Polish public radio on Monday.

Germany, Spain, Poland, Greece, Denmark and Finland are among numerous countries already using the approximately 60-ton Leopard 2, which is equipped with a 120-millimeter cannon as well as a state-of-the-art defense system and armor. This would allow allies to jointly organize delivery of both the tanks and required ammunition, and team up on the required maintenance and repair.

“The Ukrainians really want the Leopards because there are lots in stock across Europe,” said the French official, who is familiar with the tank discussions.

However, since the Leopards are being produced by Munich-based defense company Krauss-Maffei Wegmann, their delivery to Ukraine demands a re-export authorization by the country of origin, Germany — meaning that international pressure is now concentrating on Berlin.

“Poland can hand over Leopards only in a coalition of countries,” Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki told reporters on Saturday, adding that talks with other countries on forming such an alliance are ongoing.

“I talked about it with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz a couple of weeks ago in Brussels, and I think we may know more about it in the next few days,” Morawiecki added.

German line of defense

Asked about demands by partners such as Poland to form such a tank alliance, a German government spokesperson said Monday he was “not aware of any such requests at the moment,” but stressed that “we constantly reassess the situation and then derive our closely internationally coordinated decisions from it.”

Just last Thursday, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and U.S. President Joe Biden announced in a joint statement that their countries would send infantry fighting vehicles — up to 40 German Marders and around 50 American Bradleys — to Ukraine; one day after French President Emmanuel Macron had rushed ahead by announcing the delivery of French AMX-10 RC armored fighting vehicles.

While German officials insist the announcement resulted from close coordination, many factors — such as Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht saying just weeks earlier that it would be impossible for Germany to send any Marders to Ukraine, as it needed them for its own military — suggest that Berlin took the decision reluctantly and only amid growing international pressure.

That suggestion was supported by the French official who, speaking on the condition of the anonymity due to the sensitivity of the matter, said that “the aim” of Macron’s announcement last week to hand over the French armored fighting vehicles “was to break the taboo [of sending Western tanks to Ukraine], so that the Germans start moving.”

“There’s a complicity between Macron and Zelenskyy, and this was somewhat staged to lift the U.S. and Germany reluctance [on sending tanks],” the official said.

Ukraine has also asked Paris to send French Leclerc battle tanks to Ukraine, a request that is currently being examined by the French authorities. French officials caution, however, that Leclerc tanks are no longer in production, raising questions over maintenance and the provision of spare parts — problems that the Leopards, due to their wide availability in many nations and their continued production, do not face.

Still, France would be willing to deploy its Leclerc tanks to NATO allies that send some of their own Leopard tanks to Ukraine, in order to fill gaps, an official in Paris said.

One official in Berlin said that a recent notable diplomatic success by Scholz, namely getting China and a broader coalition of other G20 countries to sign a statement urging Russia not to use nuclear weapons, has alleviated concerns in Berlin that the delivery of more Western military equipment to Ukraine could lead to a third world war.

However, the German government spokesperson stressed Monday that one of Berlin’s key goals remained avoiding becoming an active party to the war, and added that there was “no automatism” that would make the delivery of Leopards “the next logical step” following the decision to send Marder tanks.

Meanwhile, German news outlet Der Spiegel reported Monday that the U.K. government is considering supplying about a dozen Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine, which would make it the first country to support Kyiv with Western main battle tanks.

London has already announced the possible delivery to partners “in a nonbinding manner,” Der Spiegel wrote, adding that the decision will probably only be made official at a planned meeting of Western defense officials at the Ramstein military base in Germany on January 20.

The U.K. defense ministry neither denied nor confirmed the report, with a spokesperson saying: “The government has committed to match or exceed last year’s funding for military aid to Ukraine in 2023, and we will continue to build on recent donations with training and further gifting of equipment.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/fran...ks-to-ukraine/

Originally Posted by Joe 90

I blame global warming on the war not ending sooner.

See your point

Originally Posted by Joe 90

all the poorly equipped Russians should have perished by now

Together with all the ukranian civiliens without heating ?

You are a City scumbag, sir !

The U.S. is considering sending Stryker armored combat vehicles to Ukraine in an upcoming aid package to help Kyiv fend off an expected Russian spring offensive, according to two people familiar with the discussion.

The news follows the Biden administration’s announcement last week that it will send 50 Bradley Fighting Vehicles, a powerful tracked armored vehicle that carries an autocannon, a machine gun and TOW missiles.

The Strykers may be part of the next tranche of military aid, according to a Defense Department official, who like others asked for anonymity to discuss internal deliberations ahead of an announcement. The administration could announce the package, with or without Strykers, late next week around the time of the next Ukraine Defense Contact Group meeting in Germany.


The people stressed that no final decision has been made, and the administration could decide to send the Strykers in a future package instead.

“We have no announcements to make at this time,” said Pentagon spokesperson Lt. Col. Garron Garn. A spokesperson for the National Security Council did not comment by press time.

Strykers would be another capability boost for Kyiv’s rapidly growing arsenal and would help meet a critical need for armor, as concerns grow that Russia is planning a second mobilization for a major new offensive in the coming weeks.

While Strykers are not as powerful or protective as tanks, the eight-wheeled armored fighting vehicle built by General Dynamics Land Systems can operate in snow, mud and sand, though off-road mobility is somewhat limited by its lack of tracks.

“Ukrainians need armored personnel carriers and short of other countries providing it, is what we have in inventory,” the DoD official said. “Not as good as a Bradley for a tank fight, but good to protect infantry and get up close to a fight.”

The U.S. has already sent Ukraine thousands of combat vehicles, including Humvees and mine-resistant vehicles used to move troops on the battlefield. But Strykers could offer a balance between a tank and an armored personnel carrier.

Army operators say the wheeled vehicle moves more quietly than a Bradley and note that it can ferry more troops, nine compared to six in a standard M2.

The vehicles were deployed regularly to Iraq with U.S. infantry battalions where they allowed U.S. troops to move quickly along paved roadways while offering more protection than a Humvee, along with a .50 caliber machine gun operated remotely by a soldier inside the vehicle.

Ukraine already operates a similar vehicle, as the first of a planned 39 Canadian Armoured Combat Support Vehicles — a Canadian version of the Stryker also built by General Dynamics — started to arrive in Ukraine in recent weeks. The vehicles were initially purchased for the Canadian armed forces, but in June Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced he was diverting their delivery to Ukraine.

The U.S. has sold 60 Strykers to Thailand, and North Macedonia is buying 16.

Sending powerful armored vehicles such as the Bradley and Strykers could be a precursor to providing tanks. But Western nations remain stuck in much the same place they have been for months — debating who goes big first.

“There’s a strange back and forth with the Europeans where any time anyone asks, the Europeans they say, ‘Well, you know, the U.S. should go first.’ And the administration said, ‘Well, we want the Europeans to go first or we want to do it together.’ And the Ukrainians are just saying, ‘For the love of God, just give us the tanks,’” said a person familiar with those discussions.

Pentagon weighs sending Stryker combat vehicles to Ukraine - POLITICO

Telegram is owned by Pavel Durov he may be Russian but he is no friend of your puppet masters in the Kremlin...

Exactly!! But he doesn't use his own Opinions to censor or cancel what the millions of subscribers to Telegram write or are allowed to be exposed to. That is Telegram's selling point, which other social media platforms have discarded- and is why he is a very wealthy man now. Kudos.

Originally Posted by helge

Together with all the ukranian civiliens without heating ?

You have never travelled to a former Soviet state, I would guess. Most big towns and cities have a centralized heating system that runs off boilers and is not dependent on the electrical grid. Those that do not live in those places mostly use wood to heat their homes in the winter. No one in Ukraine is going to freeze without electricity.

For someone who tries to pass themselves off as a well travelled intellectual, you sure are ignorant.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Most big towns and cities have a centralized heating system that runs off boilers

Correct

Originally Posted by bsnub

and is not dependent on the electrical grid.

Oh dear



But apart from that:

Wooosh !

Hey Snubbless, watch bald and bankrupt on YT.

Originally Posted by Joe 90

Hey Snubbless, watch bald and bankrupt on YT.

I do.