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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    the evidence was the on retreat
    I'm a bit blank here

    Kharkiv ?

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    Politically, an embarassment- but tactically, absolutely the right thing to withdraw to the other side of the river imo. Russia's war seem to now be run by Generals, not politicians. Kharkiv is not annexed territory, but I think the Russki's will want to take Lyman back.

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    Here is another piece of Russian propaganda.

    "Nine months after invading Ukraine, Vladimir Putin is beginning to fracture the West.
    Top European officials are furious with Joe Biden’s administration and now accuse the Americans of making a fortune from the war, while EU countries suffer.

    “The fact is, if you look at it soberly, the country that is most profiting from this war is the U.S. because they are selling more gas and at higher prices, and because they are selling more weapons,” one senior official told POLITICO. "

    Europe accuses US of profiting from war – POLITICO
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    The Ukrainians suffered heavy losses of both man and material in the Kherson assault. This is widely known. No need for a gratuitous laughie on this.
    Save your fake sympathy. As if you've ever fucking cared.

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    ^^
    And to think Putin could have foiled the US's dastardly plans by not invading Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    ^^
    And to think Putin could have foiled the US's dastardly plans by not invading Ukraine.
    The Russians were forced to invade Ukraine otherwise NATO would've invaded Russia. Dont you read Sabangs posts?

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    Its only going to get more attractional as winter deepens

    Russian reservists suffer ‘heavy casualties’ digging trenches while under fire

    Ministry of Defence says many soldiers are dying in assaults at fortified Ukrainian zones around the town of Bakhmut

    Russian reservists are suffering heavy casualties because they are being forced to dig trench systems while under artillery fire and sent on frontal assaults against fortified Ukrainian positions, British intelligence has claimed.

    The recent deaths around two key towns in the Luhansk and Donetsk regions came amid an uptick in fighting in the east and heavy Russian shelling of Kherson, the southern city it abandoned earlier this month.

    Ten people were killed and 54 injured in overnight barrages that targeted residential areas of the city, local authorities said. Footage from the scene of one attack showed shell shocked and bleeding civilians making their way through the rubble of a ruined building.

    The victims included a 62-year old woman who was killed by a head wound and her husband, who died later in hospital from internal bleeding.

    Russia has kept artillery on the left bank of the Dnipro river to pound the city despite sending soldiers freed up by the retreat, including the remnants of its elite airborne brigades, to reinforce the Donbas front lines.

    Fighting there is believed to have been particularly costly for conscripts enlisted after Vladimir Putin’s mobilisation decree in September.

    “Mobilised reservists have highly likely experienced particularly heavy casualties after being committed to dig ambitious trench systems while under artillery fire around the Luhansk Oblast town of Svatove,” the UK's Ministry of Defence said in its daily intelligence update on Friday.

    It added that it was “highly likely... many are being compelled to serve with serious, chronic health conditions” while others “have been killed in large numbers in frontal assaults into well-established Ukrainian defensive zones around the town of Bakhmut”.

    Svatove is a key junction on a supply line for Russian forces in the Luhansk and Donetsk regions.

    Ukrainian forces have been advancing on it since they pushed the Russians out of the neighbouring Kharkiv region in September.

    Pro-Russian Telegram channels on Friday claimed a small counter attack had succeeded in taking the village of Novoselivske, 10 miles north west of the Svatove. The claim could not immediately be confirmed.

    Bakhmut, about 56 miles to the south, is one of the largest towns in the Donetsk region still under Ukrainian control.

    Russian forces reached the edge of the city in late summer but repeated assaults on the town and surrounding villages in the months since have failed.

    A renewed assault was reported on Thursday and Friday. Russian troops were said to have gained some ground near Opytne, a village to the south of Bakhmut that has repeatedly changed hands. It was unclear on Friday morning who had control of the settlement.

    Vitaly Klitschko, Kyiv’s mayor, said half the city’s residents were still without electricity on Friday morning, two days after the latest wave of Russian strikes on the country’s energy infrastructure. He said a third of houses in the capital now had heating.

    James Cleverly, the Foreign Secretary, who arrived in Kyiv for an unannounced visit on Friday, said a promised air-defence package, which Britain valued at £50 million, would help Ukraine defend itself against Russia’s bombardments.

    “Words are not enough. Words won’t keep the lights on this winter. Words won’t defend against Russian missiles,” Mr Cleverly said in a tweet about the military aid.

    The package includes radar and other technology to counter the Iran-supplied exploding drones that Russia has used against Ukrainian targets, especially the power grid.

    It comes on top of a delivery of more than 1,000 anti-air missiles that Britain announced earlier this month.

    Catherine Colonna, the French foreign minister, said France was sending 100 high-powered generators to Ukraine. She added Russia was “weaponising” winter and plunging Ukraine’s civilian population into hardship.

    The generators are intended to help keep essential Ukrainian facilities running, providing power to hospitals, schools and water pumping stations, among other infrastructure.

    On Thursday, European governments launched a scheme called “Generators of Hope”, which calls on more than 200 cities across the continent to donate power generators and electricity transformers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/11/25/russian-reservists-suffer-heavy-casualties-digging-trenches/

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    Russian reservists suffer ‘heavy casualties’ digging trenches while under fire
    Yep.


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    Target Crimea

    KYIV — In Crimea, the war is drawing ever closer, and nerves are on edge.

    In conversations via secure communications, people in Crimea describe growing tension across the Black Sea peninsula as they increasingly expect the advent of direct hostilities. They say saboteur and partisan groups are now readying in the territory, which was illegally annexed by Russia in 2014.

    Frustration and panic are surging, over everything from conscription to runaway prices. One person told of anger over an inability to secure hospital places thanks to the numbers of Russian wounded brought in from the fronts, while another said that the fretful Russian elite were trying to sell their glitzy holiday homes, but were finding no buyers.

    When Vladimir Putin launched his all-out invasion of Ukraine in February, few people expected Ukrainian forces would nine months later be threatening to reclaim Crimea. That no longer feels like a military impossibility, however, after Kyiv’s well-organized troops showed that they could drive out Russian forces in offensive operations around Kharkiv in northeastern Ukraine and Kherson in the south.

    Tamila Tasheva, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s permanent representative in Crimea, has high hopes the peninsula will end up back in Ukrainian hands. “Yes, of course, it is entirely possible we will get Crimea back,” she told POLITICO.

    “Our goal is the return of all our territory, which of course includes Crimea,” she said in her office in Kyiv. A 37-year-old Crimean Tatar, whose family lives on the peninsula, Tasheva is busy preparing plans for what happens after Crimea is “de-occupied” and is drafting a legal framework to cope with complex issues of transitional justice that will arise. She says while Kyiv would prefer the peninsula to be handed back without a fight, “a military way may be the only solution.”

    “The situation is very different now from 2014. We have a lot of communication with people in Crimea and they’re increasingly angered by the high food prices and shortages in drugs and medicines,” she said. “And there’s been an increase in anti-war protests, especially since the start of conscription and partial mobilization.”

    When asked about people forming anti-Russian partisan groups, she simply commented: “Of course they are.” The difference between 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea and now comes down to the fact, she argues, that Ukraine has a strong army and a determined leadership and that is affecting and fortifying people’s thinking in Crimea.

    Against the occupiers

    For Putin, Crimea has long been a sacred cause — he called it an “inseparable part of Russia” — and that led many in the West to fear it could be a strategic red line. That sense was hardly helped by nuclear saber-rattler-in-chief, former President Dmitry Medvedev, who issued ominous warnings about any attack on Crimea. “Judgment Day will come very fast and hard. It will be very difficult to take cover,” Medvedev, now deputy chairman of the Security Council of Russia, said earlier this year in comments reported by the TASS news agency.

    Undaunted, the Ukrainians have repeatedly gone after Russian targets in Crimea since August, including airbases and ships.

    Tensions ratcheted up dramatically, however, after the explosion on October 8 that damaged the Kerch Bridge, a vital supply line between Russia and Crimea.'

    People in Crimea say the Russians are jittery and on the hunt for pro-Ukrainian sympathizers, fearing more acts of sabotage. Kyiv has never formally claimed responsibility for what was most likely a truck bombing. The people POLITICO talked with can’t be named for their own safety, but they included businessmen, lawyers and IT workers.

    “There was panic afterwards,” said one IT worker. “Since then, officers and soldiers have been moving their families back to Russia. And the rich have been trying to sell their properties worth $500,000 to a million, but the market is dead,” he added.

    “Because of the sanctions, a lot of people have lost their jobs and prices for everything, food especially, have skyrocketed and there isn’t much choice available either. If you were making a $1,000 a month before February, now you need to be around $3,000 to be where you were, and how are you going to do that with the tourism industry dead,” he said. Locals are fuming that they can’t receive medical attention because the peninsula’s hospitals are full of Russian soldiers wounded in the fighting in Kherson and Donetsk.

    With the situation worsening, more partisan cells are forming, they say. “My group of patriots know each other well: We studied and worked together for years and trust each other — we are preparing, and we understand secrecy will determine the effectiveness of our actions,” said a former banker, who claimed to be leading a seven-man cell.

    Inspired by the Kerch Bridge blast, his cell is planning to sabotage military facilities using rudimentary explosives made from ammonium nitrate and diesel fuel.

    “There are many provocateurs around and the Russians are anxious, so we’re vigilant. We know other partisan groups, but we don’t actively communicate for security reasons,” he said. “We’ve a deal with a police chief who understands Russia is losing and is worried — he’ll give us key to his arsenal when needed with our promise that we will put in a good word for him later,” he added.

    Whether such cells represent any kind of serious threat remains to be seen and POLITICO can’t verify the claims of would-be saboteurs, but retired U.S. General Ben Hodges, a former commanding general of the United States Army Europe, says he had expected partisan cells to form, encouraged by Kyiv and otherwise.

    “I would have assumed this. Both locals as well as saboteurs who have been infiltrated into Crimea. Remember the Ukrainians, of course, did this to the German Wehrmacht throughout World War II. There’s a tradition of sabotage and insurgency,” he said.

    “I would hate to be a Russian truck driver on a convoy somewhere, anywhere in the area these days. I think when it does come time for decisive action, it will be a combination of local partisans and infiltrated saboteurs,” he added.

    ‘Crimea is Ukraine’

    Ukraine’s recent victories in northeastern and southern Ukraine are fueling confident talk in Kyiv about Crimea, and since Russian forces retreated from Kherson city, 130 kilometers from the northernmost part of the peninsula, the chorus has only been growing louder, as more of the peninsula comes into rocket and missile range of the Ukrainians.

    After seizing Crimea, the Kremlin harbored ambitions to turn it into another glittering seaside Sochi — or showcase it as a Black Sea rival to France’s Côte d’Azur. Construction of condos started apace with plans to make Sevastopol a major Russian cultural center. A new opera house, museum and ballet academy were to be completed next year. Around 800,000 Russians may have moved to the peninsula since 2014. The war has ruined construction schedules.

    Top Ukrainian officials have been taunting Russia, saying Crimea will soon be under Ukrainian control — by year’s end even or early next year. Zelenskyy has returned repeatedly to the theme: in October telling European and American parliamentary leaders: “We will definitely liberate Crimea.” His top adviser, Andriy Yermak, told POLITICO during the Halifax International Security Forum earlier this month: “I am sure that the campaign to return Crimea will take place.”

    Ukrainian officials told POLITICO that Western European leaders had been the most jittery about pushing on to Crimea. America’s top general, Mark Milley, chairman of U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, has cast doubt about Ukraine’s ability to reclaim the peninsula militarily, suggesting it would be overreach. At a Pentagon press conference on November 16, he said: “The probability of a Ukrainian military victory, defined as kicking the Russians out of all of Ukraine to include what they defined, or what they claim as Crimea, the probability of that happening anytime soon, is not high, militarily.”

    But the White House hasn’t walked back President Joe Biden’s February 26 remarks when he made Washington’s position clear: “We reaffirm a simple truth: Crimea is Ukraine.”

    Raising the pressure

    Ukrainian forces have been increasing the tempo of military activity in and near Crimea using both aerial and innovative marine drones to swarm and strike in October and last Tuesday Russian warships stationed at Sevastopol, the home base of the Russian navy in the Black Sea. The Russian-installed governor of Sevastopol, Mikhail Razvozhaev, said in a social media post after Tuesday’s attack that a couple of drones had been intercepted, later adding another three had been downed by Russian warships.

    Kyiv has not commented on that attack, but last week, Ukraine’s top security official confirmed Israeli press reports that 10 Iranian military advisers in Crimea were killed by Ukrainian drones. “You shouldn’t be where you shouldn’t be,” said Oleksiy Danilov, secretary of Ukraine’s defense council, in an interview with the Guardian. The Ukrainians say Iranian technicians and operators have been assisting the Russians with the Shahed-136 armed drones supplied by Tehran.

    The attacks appear to be unnerving the Russian military — especially those carried out by maritime drones. The October attack involved half a dozen radio-operated marine drones equipped with jet-ski engines. Some of the nearly six-meter-long drones are thought to have damaged two ships, a minesweeper and more importantly the Admiral Makarov, a frigate. On November 18, the Ukrainians repeated the exercise further afield with an attack on warships in the port at Novorossiysk, a Black Sea city in southern Russia.

    One Crimea resident told POLITICO that the drone strikes appear to have forced Russian naval commanders to rethink the positioning of their ships. “A group of Russian warships were until recently regularly off the coast near my house. I used to watch them and if they fired missiles, I’d contact my family in various cities in Ukraine to warn them rockets were on their way. But now the warships have moved away, they were too vulnerable where they were.” he said.

    The Russians are fortifying their defenses, especially in the Dzhankois’kyi district, the northern part of the Crimean steppe near Syvash Bay, according to Andrii Chernyak of the main intelligence directorate of the ministry of defense of Ukraine.

    Hodges, the former general, disagrees with General Milley and says an offensive “is possible and I believe they will be working to be in place to begin this in a deliberate way as early as January.”

    “Between now and then, they will continue to isolate Crimea by going after the Kerch Bridge again and also the land bridge that originates in Rostov and runs along the northern coast of the Sea of Azov down through Mariupol and Melitopol and on to the peninsula. The Ukrainians are going to be looking to pound away at the bridge and the land link, a form of eighteenth-century siege tactics,” he added.

    Those siege tactics, he says, will be accompanied by daring use of high-tech weapons. “The U.S. navy has put a lot of development effort into unmanned maritime systems and to see what the Ukrainians have been doing with swarm attacks by drones has really impressed me,” he said.

    The Ukrainians, he predicts, will attempt “to fight their way across the isthmus when the conditions are right,” adding: “This is going to come down to a test of will and a test of logistics.”

    https://www.politico.eu/article/crim...SS_Syndication

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    Crimea will soon be under Ukrainian control — by year’s end even or early next year.
    Comedy hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Comedy hour.
    Not so amusing when the locals cannot get any medical support, because its all going to broken Russian soldiers. You know, the same soldiers that were part of the illegal invasion of Ukraine. Not funny in the slightest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Comedy hour.
    You have a lot of humiliation coming. You have already suffered a lot of it, but you have more coming. Much more. Remember when you swore for months this war would never happen?


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    Oh, so you are saying Russia will be out of Crimea (and by inference all of eastern Ukraine) by mid January? How naive. YOU have a lot of humiliation coming.

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    There are basically only two points of entry for the Russian military into Crimea, and the west is finally considering longer range missiles for Ukraine. It would be easier to take back Crimea, than it would be for the Donbass once they get them. I think even Putin might concede the war, if they lost it.
    Originally Posted by sabang
    Maybe Canada should join Nato.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    There are basically only two points of entry for the Russian military into Crimea, and the west is finally considering longer range missiles for Ukraine. It would be easier to take back Crimea, than it would be for the Donbass once they get them. I think even Putin might concede the war, if they lost it.

    He'll never concede. He needs to be taken out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    He'll never concede. He needs to be taken out.

    Maybe he'll be given a choice if it arises.

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    Ukraine war: Kyiv displays dummy nuclear-capable missile fired by Russia

    Russia is now using nuclear-capable missiles with non-explosive warheads to exhaust Ukraine's air defences, the Ukrainian military has said.


    It displayed what it said were fragments of Soviet-made X-55 cruise missiles - designed for nuclear use - found in Ukraine's two western regions.


    The rockets are being launched to "exhaust the air-defence system of our country," a Ukrainian official said.


    He said tests on the fragments did not show abnormal levels of radioactivity.


    Ukrainian military experts say Russia may have significantly depleted its vast missile arsenal after carrying out wave after wave of massive strikes on Ukraine's critical infrastructure in recent weeks.


    Moscow is now resorting to using blunt projectiles that still cause devastation, they say. A UK intelligence report in November came to similar conclusions.


    Russia - which launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February - has made no public comments on the issue.

    At a briefing on Thursday in Ukraine's capital Kyiv, military official Mykola Danyliuk showed reporters what he described as fragments of X-55 cruise missiles (known as AS-15 by Nato) found in the Lviv and Khmelnytsky regions.


    He said the projectiles were designed in Soviet times to hit "strategic targets with predetermined co-ordinates".


    The UK said the missiles were designed "exclusively as a nuclear delivery system".


    However, it is believed the Russian military removed the nuclear warheads from the missiles fired at Ukraine and replaced them with an inert system.


    Mr Danyliuk stressed that even a missile armed with a non-explosive warhead "posed a significant danger" because of its kinetic energy and fuel residues.


    "This is evidenced by the latest strike when a X-55 missile hit a residential building."


    Testing indicated "no contact [of the missile] with nuclear elements", he added.


    On Thursday, an air alert was briefly in place across all of Ukraine - with the exception of the Russian-annexed southern Crimea peninsula - after reports that Russian war planes may be preparing to carry out a fresh wave of missile strikes. The alert was later discontinued.


    In other developments on Thursday:


    US President Joe Biden said he was "prepared" to speak to his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin if he showed an interest in ending the war - but added that the Russian leader "hasn't done that yet"


    Moscow said a move by the German parliament on Wednesday to recognise the 1930s mass starvation of millions of Ukrainians as genocide was an attempt to "demonise" Russia

    Ukraine's nuclear operator sacked the acting chief engineer of the Russian-seized Zaporizhzhia nuclear power station, accusing him of treason and collaboration with the Kremlin

    Ukraine war: Kyiv displays dummy nuclear-capable missile fired by Russia - BBC News

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    However, it is believed the Russian military removed the nuclear warheads from the missiles fired at Ukraine
    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Testing indicated "no contact [of the missile] with nuclear elements", he added.
    So what is it ?

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    Yes, I read the same thing from a 'Pro-Russian' source a few days ago. They are using old, outdated missiles with no warhead to detract and exhaust Ukrainian (well, Nato) aerial defences. Quite clever really. Just another thing the West will be expected to foot the bill on, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    So what is it ?
    A missile with the nuclear warhead removed.

    Duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    A missile with the nuclear warhead removed.
    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Testing indicated "no contact [of the missile] with nuclear elements", he added.
    There has never been nuclear warheads on these missiles.

    Probably some spares

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    Because this war can only end by compromise on both sides, it is destined to continue for a very long time. The word compromise is one that Putin does not accept or understand.

    Despite the deliberate change in Russian tactics, he has misread Ukrainian resolve, and NATO resources.

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    The ones that are not idiots have well and truly realised by now what a losing game this is. Those with a conscience have also realised the moral bankruptcy of using Ukraine and Ukrainians as cannon fodder to try and weaken Russia, I trust. Those with any financial acumen have realised the sanctions have backfired, I presume. Those with any real knowledge of warfare also know full well that Ukraine is not winning. So I am quite humbled to have been the idiot to draw these matters to your attention, a lot earlier than your scurrilous media and political sector would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    The ones that are not idiots have well and truly realised by now what a losing game this is. Those with a conscience have also realised the moral bankruptcy of using Ukraine and Ukrainians as cannon fodder to try and weaken Russia, I trust. Those with any financial acumen have realised the sanctions have backfired, I presume. Those with any real knowledge of warfare also know full well that Ukraine is not winning. So I am quite humbled to have been the idiot to draw these matters to your attention, a lot earlier than your scurrilous media and political sector would.
    You don't have any conscience at all.

    You've made it very clear where you stand on this issue and no amount of crocodile tears will disguise your deranged views. You'd be ecstatic if your heroic murdering dictator was allowed to roll through Ukraine unopposed and take what he wanted.

    What you're really upset about is that the west has backed Ukraine and its people to rightfully protect their own land - and the Ukrainian military has kicked Russia's arse, which is why Putin has resorted to targeting civilians.

    The sensible members of the board - the majority - had your cards marked a while ago when you were making an utter fool of yourself before the war even began and you've only confirmed our beliefs since then.
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    Fwiw, I would be quite content for Russia to accept back those parts of 'Ukraine' that overwhelmingly do not want to be part of post-Maidan coup Ukraine. If you actually think that celebrating the Zelensky regime, or arguing the immutable sanctimony of this patched together nations borders, makes you some kind of champion of 'Freedom n Democracy', think again. That's what dubya said too.

    Did you have similar moral qualms about the partition of Yugoslavia, Mr nice guy? Lets not even mention the peaceful dissolution of the Soviet Union
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