Thread: Russia launches Ukraine invasion

Originally Posted by sabang

Kissinger, Jack Matlock, David Stockman, Noam Chomsky, John Mearsheimer, Steven Cohen etc are declaring the opposite?

It will take far more than a handful of over the hill tosspots to form a consensus. Most of those with military and intelligence backgrounds are saying something different. I think I will listen to the generals instead of your shortlist of has-beens and over the hills.

Originally Posted by sabang

Why would I listen to an uncouth pissboy (minus a pot to piss in) when no lesser people than Kissinger, Jack Matlock, David Stockman, Noam Chomsky, John Mearsheimer, Steven Cohen etc are declaring the opposite?

Almost all of them call it an illegal invasion, and Chomsky calls it one of the greatest war crimes of the past century. Yet, you can't seem to admit the same. Is it the lack of a shirt while riding a horse that blinds you?

My point is simple, and has been made clear from the beginning. This war need never have happened, and is a colossal failure of diplomacy and common sense. Do you in Nth America genuinely consider European nations to be your allies, or do you think of them as rivals? Because that is who you have harmed most.

Originally Posted by sabang

This war need never have happened, and is a colossal failure of diplomacy and common sense.

Give me a fucking break. You don't blame Putin one little bit for this war. You're a fucking hypocrite.

Putin sees diplomacy as weakness. NATO boots should have been put on the ground when he invaded Crimea.

Of course everyone drinking the approved western Kool ade says "just blame Putin". But the majority of the world knows better. It takes more than one to tango,

Originally Posted by sabang

Of course everyone drinking the approved western Kool ade says "just blame Putin". But the majority of the world knows better. It takes more than one to tango,

Originally Posted by sabang

Kissinger, Jack Matlock, David Stockman, Noam Chomsky, John Mearsheimer, Steven Cohen

All Westerners. Try going against Putin's narrative in Russia.

Originally Posted by Norton

Using the Ukraine as cannon fodder, in what amounts to a proxy war, is cowardly and needs to stop fucking now!

Don't worry Norts, Putin will fuck up soon and force NATO's hand to use Article 5.

Or Zelensky's in 'Ukraine'.

Originally Posted by sabang

Or Zelensky's in 'Ukraine'.

Don't matter who the President is, or if anyone sends them weapons. The Ukrainians would still be fighting.

Do you know that many people you define as 'Ukrainian' are fighting on the Russian side too? It's war, and a war that could and should have been avoided.

Originally Posted by sabang

Do you know that many people you define as 'Ukrainian' are fighting on the Russian side too?

Do you know that a lot of them are conscripted? Do you know more ethnic Russians are fighting for Ukraine? Do you know that quite a few Russian nationals are fighting alongside them for Ukraine?

Originally Posted by sabang

It's war, and a war that could and should have been avoided.

As usual, the idiot Mister "this war will never happen" has now after the war did happen taken a new tack. Claiming that the west could have somehow stopped Putin from invading. It is more than a little odd that the dimwit mentioned not a word of this when he was for months and months blurting on and on that this war would never happen.

Laughable inconsistency. Sabang has long ago exposed himself as a laughingstock and a joke.

Originally Posted by sabang

Why would I listen to an uncouth pissboy (minus a pot to piss in) when no lesser people than Kissinger, Jack Matlock, David Stockman, Noam Chomsky, John Mearsheimer, Steven Cohen etc are declaring the opposite?

Because you're a snivelling putin sycophant whose confirmation bias leads him to anything that wets his pants, that's why.

Originally Posted by sabang

My point is simple, and has been made clear from the beginning. This war need never have happened

And it wouldn't have if your hero wasn't such a c u n t.

The only thing that's simple here is you.

This war will be brought to an end by negotiating. Ukraine may not get a fair deal but that is not what negotiation is about. It only requires an agreed deal.

The quicker Ukraine negotiate and accept a substantial loss of territory the better for all parties.

No amount of support will put Ukraine in a winning position or even an offensive one, without NATO boots on the ground.
It should be clear to all that that is not going to happen.

Originally Posted by Iceman123

The quicker Ukraine negotiate and accept a substantial loss of territory the better for all parties.

I don't think Ukraine are viewing it that way atm.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

I don't think Ukraine are viewing it that way atm.

I fully understand that Ukraine are full of bluster and are putting up a very good fight in the circumstances, however the quicker reality sets in and the situation is accepted the quicker the pointless loss of lives can be avoided.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

I don't think Ukraine are viewing it that way atm.

Iceman has no idea what is going on. He told me to "turn on the tv" to catch up. The truth is that Russia is spent and that is why they announced the "operational pause". They are running out of artillery shells that were stockpiled during the days of the former USSR and their soldiers are dead, wounded and/or totally exhausted.

The reality is that thousands of new Ukrainian recruits are being trained in the UK every day and being rotated back into Ukraine, tons of new heavy weapons are pouring into Ukraine by the day to include self-propelled artillery, HIMARS/MLRS systems that are already reaping havok behind Russian lines destroying over 30 large supply depots in the last two weeks and killing hundreds of Russian soldiers. I haven't even mentioned what is coming in southern Ukraine in the coming days. Mark my words on that.

Russia better hurry up with this "offensive" winter is coming.

Explosions like these are happening all over occupied Ukraine, deep behind the lines. Ammo dumps and command posts going up in smoke. This is just north of Kherson in the last 24 hours...



Operational pause.

Originally Posted by sabang

Time for reality to sink in.

It is going to for you as it did the day Russia invaded you, pathetic imbecile. Epic hypocrite.

Originally Posted by bsnub

I haven't even mentioned what is coming in southern Ukraine in the coming days. Mark my words on that.

That is a good heads up. I am looking forward to seeing these new developments. What are the chances do you think of Ukraine holding on to Odesa . The loss of that port would be devastating.

Originally Posted by bsnub

It is going to for you as it did the day Russia invaded you, pathetic imbecile. Epic hypocrite.

You appear to have great difficulty accepting others pov.

No one is interested in your infomercial YT videos. They are just cheap propaganda to keep the flag waving clowns like you amused.
Do some real research, you may not like the answers but at least it is reality.