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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    What can be gained by taking Chernobyl? I find it frightening the Russians are traipsing around there.
    I was expecting Chernobyl to be one of the first sites to be secured by the Russians. It prevents loonies from creating havoc in a fit of desperation. The radiation levels have risen but not to dangerous levels.

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    Russian Tank Crushes Ukrainian Car With Civilian Inside in Shocking Video

    horrific video from the Ukrainian capital has shown the moment when what appears to be a Russian tank crushes a car with a civilian still inside.


    Videos of the incident and the aftermath were posted on social media.


    One of the videos, posted by Ukrainian journalist Alexander Khrebet, was recorded from some distance away on a rooftop in the Obolon district of Kyiv and showed the moment the tank crushed the car.

    VIDEO Russian Tank Crushes Ukrainian Car With Civilian Inside in Shocking Video



    ( I did not look at the video. I don’t want to see people hurt.)

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    ^just seen it, no one was killed.
    Driver amazingly survived and was cut out with minor injuries.

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    ^ Relieved to hear that.


    Central Bank of Russia increases supply of cash to ATMs due to "increased demand"

    The Russian Central Bank is increasing the supply of bills to ATMs after demand for cash increased in recent days.


    “In recent days, the demand for cash has grown,” the Bank said in a statement on Friday. “To meet the increased demand, the Bank of Russia increased the issuance of cash to banks, and replenishment of ATMs will continue this weekend.”


    “All customer funds on bank accounts are fully preserved and available for any transactions,” the statement added.


    On Thursday, Russian state news agency TASS reported that several banks had seen an increase in withdrawals – notably of foreign currency — following the Kremlin’s decision to invade Ukraine.


    The Russian stock market suffered massive losses and the country’s currency, the ruble, devaluated significantly after markets started reacting to news of the invasion. The markets have since recovered slightly.

    Central Bank of Russia increases supply of cash to ATMs due to "increased demand"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
    The "stupid games" started when a madman dictator invaded their country. You dick.

    "Russian Warship, Go Fu*k Yourself": Ukraine To Honour Soldiers Killed On Island

    Ukraine says it will posthumously honour a group of Ukrainian border guards who were killed defending a tiny island in the Black Sea during a multi-pronged Russian invasion.

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    Your link shows a different video. I saw the video elsewhere and It's an apc not a tank. And there is no Z on the side of it, meaning it might be Ukraines. There is a firefight that preceeds it showing a truck being attacked and a soldier shot. Comments have said the truck was Russian infiltrators that stole it to escape. Who knows in the fog of war and it's hard to tell which vehicles are Russian or Ukraine.

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    Putin Calls for Ukraine Army to Overthrow Zelensky

    Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday called on the Ukrainian army to overthrow the government whose leaders he described as "terrorists" and "a gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis."


    Putin also accused "Ukrainian nationalists" of deploying heavy weapons in residential areas of major cities to provoke the Russian military, a claim that could fuel fears Moscow is creating pretexts for justifying civilian casualties.

    In a televised address, he urged the Ukrainian military to "take power in your own hands."


    "It seems like it will be easier for us to agree with you than this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis," he said, referring to the leadership in Kyiv under President Volodymyr Zelensky, who is Jewish.

    Putin, who on Thursday ordered Russian troops to invade Ukraine, claimed that Ukrainian "nationalists" were preparing to deploy multiple rocket launchers to residential areas of Ukrainian cities, including Kyiv and the northeastern city of Kharkiv.


    Ukraine's leadership are "acting like terrorists all over the world: they are hiding behind people in the hope of then blaming Russia for civilian casualties."


    "It is known for a fact that this is happening on the recommendation of foreign consultants, primarily American advisers," Putin said.


    Separately, Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said of the alleged deployment: "We consider the situation to be extremely dangerous."


    Putin and top Russian officials have said Moscow's troops are only targeting ultra-nationalists in Ukraine.


    Putin also praised Russian troops saying they were acting in a "courageous and professional manner."


    "They are successfully solving the most important task of ensuring the security of our people and our Fatherland," Putin said.

    On a conference call to reporters, Peskov accused the Ukrainian authorities of refusing to hold talks with Russians in Belarus, as was previously suggested by Moscow.


    "After a brief pause Ukrainians said they now want to go to Warsaw," Peskov said. "And now they have gone incommunicado."

    Putin Calls for Ukraine Army to Overthrow Zelensky - The Moscow Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Putin also accused "Ukrainian nationalists" of deploying heavy weapons in residential areas of major cities to provoke the Russian military, a claim that could fuel fears Moscow is creating pretexts for justifying civilian casualties.
    The whole war is driven by Kremlin lies to justify its actions.

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    Here's the link to the one i saw.

    Reddit - Dive into anything

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    'Aggressor Country': With Forces Outside Kyiv, Putin's Government Also Battling On The Home Front

    Activist Nikita Chirkov hit the streets of St. Petersburg on the first day after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine with a small sign reading: “No War.” A few people passed by, he said, nodding or smiling in support. But after eight minutes, police appeared and hustled him off to the station for allegedly violating coronavirus restrictions.

    He told RFE/RL’s North.Realities that he felt obligated to express his support for Ukraine and his disagreement with the policies of President Vladimir Putin.


    “I feel fear and hatred toward Putin,” Chirkov said. “I am afraid for my relatives and friends who live in Ukraine. I am afraid of the uncertainty. After this, what will happen in Russia? For me, this war means that I live in an aggressor country with a deranged dictator.”


    Chirkov was one of 1,831 Russians detained in 60 cities on February 24 for publicly speaking out against the war, according to OVD-Info, a nongovernmental organization that monitors political repression.


    In the northwestern city of Pskov, Vladimir Kapustinsky stood on October Square with a sign reading: “Don’t Shoot.” After only a couple of minutes, a plainclothes police officer appeared and asked to see Kapustinsky’s documents.


    “No comment,” the officer told RFE/RL when asked his opinion of the war in Ukraine.

    The Kremlin’s swift nationwide crackdown on the anti-war protests -- coming on top of severe repressions that intensified after the near fatal August 2020 poisoning of opposition leader Aleksei Navalny -- seemed to presage a new level of state control over Russian society.

    “The authorities are going to tighten the screws and persecute dissidents,” said Ruslan Aisin, a political analyst based in Kazan, the capital of Tatarstan. “[The state] “will fight against the anti-war movement, which will likely only grow. History shows that war euphoria quickly dies down.”

    Lev Shlossberg, the head of the Pskov branch of the liberal Yabloko party, also anticipated a “reaction” from the authorities.


    “There is a real chance that martial law could be introduced -- independent media banned, political parties shut down, elections canceled,” he predicted. “There will be a complete crackdown on all dissent, regardless of the political views of the people, parties, or groups. In the wake of the political aggression of the war, we will see total repression inside the country.”


    Liberal former St. Petersburg city lawmaker Maksim Reznik agreed, saying the Russian people are “hostages to a junta.”


    “In this situation,” he added, “we cannot be silent about the crimes of the junta. Our silence makes us co-participants…. We are living in a new reality.”

    The state media-monitoring agency Roskomnadzor on February 24 warned all media to report only information about the war from official government sources under threat of being fined or blocked.


    The federal Investigative Committee the same day warned the public against participating in anti-war demonstrations, reminding the public that “having a criminal record will mean negative consequences and will impact your subsequent life.”

    Nonetheless, anti-war activity continued in Russia on February 25. Moscow-based journalist and activist Marina Litvinovich, who was the first to call for mass nationwide demonstrations the previous day and who was detained by police shortly after doing so, wrote on Facebook that the anti-war movement must take additional steps, including distributing flyers and posters, spraying anti-war graffiti, wearing and carrying clothing and bags with anti-war slogans and symbols, and so on.

    The newspaper Novaya gazeta published its February 25 edition in both the Russian and Ukrainian languages. The paper’s editor, Dmitry Muratov, a co-laureate of the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize, wrote that it was done “because we do not recognize Ukraine as an enemy or the Ukrainian language as the language of an enemy. And we never will.”


    “Only an anti-war movement of Russians can save life on this planet,” he added.


    A group of more than 200 municipal lawmakers from across the country signed an open letter condemning the Russian invasion of Ukraine.


    “We call on everyone not to participate in aggression and not to endorse it,” the letter states. “Please, don’t be silent: This war can only be stopped by mass public condemnation.”

    Dozens of leading cultural figures, including writers, filmmakers, actors, journalists, also signed an open letter calling on “all citizens of Russia to say 'no' to this war.”


    More than half a million people have signed a change.org petition denouncing the war and “announcing the beginning of the formation of an anti-war movement in Russia.”


    “Become part of the anti-war movement. Speak out against the war,” the petition says. “Do at least something to show the entire world that in Russia there are and always will be people who do not accept the vileness being perpetrated by the authorities, who have turned the state itself and the peoples of Russia into instruments of their crimes.”

    But it remains to be seen whether such calls will gain traction.


    Many Russians support Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine, with some believing the Kremlin’s false portrayal of the Ukrainian government as “fascists” carrying out “genocide” against Russian speakers.

    “How many children have been orphaned!” said a retiree who asked to be identified only as Raya in Ufa, the capital of Bashkortostan, on February 24. “Half of what you read on the Internet is lies. I was in western Ukraine in Soviet times…and they even back then hated us because we spoke Russian…. It was the same in the Baltic states when I went on vacation there. And Russia gave them so much during the Soviet era.”

    A retired former border guard in Ufa, who gave his first name as Azat, said that “if the decision on a military operation had been made in 2014, it would have saved a lot of lives.”


    In addition, many of those inclined to protest have been put in difficult positions by the crackdown of the last years.


    Yulia Morozova, a physical-education instructor in the southern city of Rostov-on-Don, near Ukraine, told RFE/RL that she planned to join the anti-war protests on February 24 but was talked out of it by her friends. She has already served two administrative jail terms for participating in protests and a third arrest would certainly mean criminal charges. Meanwhile, her sister, elderly mother, and other relatives are in Kyiv.


    “Right now, I’m so ashamed,” she told RFE/RL. “I feel so helpless and there is nothing I can do in this situation. I hope [Putin] lives to face a court and that he is condemned.”


    Dina Nurm, an activist from Kazan, told RFE/RL's Idel.Realities that “it is morally very hard to be a citizen of an aggressor country.”


    “We didn’t choose this war, just like we didn’t choose our leaders,” she said. “But we feel responsible for this military aggression. Over the last decade, protests have been brutally put down, and many people simply don’t believe that speaking out against the war can lead to anything other than fines…. But at the same time, we are hearing now from many people who earlier were silent.”

    'Aggressor Country': With Forces Outside Kyiv, Putin's Government Also Battling On The Home Front

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    NATO sending more weapons to Ukraine – Stoltenberg

    NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg announced on Friday that the group would be providing more weapons to support Ukraine in the face of Russia’s military assault, and deploying parts of its combat-ready response force.


    Soltenberg accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of trying to topple the “democratically-elected government in Ukraine.”


    “We see rhetoric, the messages, which is strongly indicating that the aim is to remove the democratically-elected government in Kiev,” he announced after a meeting with NATO leaders.

    Allies are committed to continuing to provide support for Ukraine, Stoltenberg added, including air defense systems.


    “We are now deploying the NATO response force for the first time in the context of collective defense. We speak about thousands of troops. We speak about air and maritime capabilities,” he also said. The response force is made up of special operations forces and land, air, and maritime forces. Only part of this 40,000 contingent is being deployed.

    Russia was slapped with numerous international economic sanctions this week from NATO members like the US and UK. British Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced on Friday that he was directly sanctioning Putin and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. US President Joe Biden also announced this week thousands of additional US troops were being deployed to Germany to provide support, though he insisted they will not be fighting in Ukraine.


    Moscow announced their military offense on Thursday, saying they were moving forces into Ukraine to “demilitarize and denazify” the area after Putin had recognized two breakaway territories as part of Russia. The newly recognized Donetsk (DPR) and Lugansk (LPR) People’s Republics have sought Moscow’s aid, claiming they were facing an attack from Kiev, though Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said no such plan was in place. On Friday, he said he was willing to negotiate to avoid further “human fatalities.”


    NATO sending more weapons to Ukraine – Stoltenberg — RT World News

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    Armed Forces of Ukraine, territorial defense hold defense of Kyiv city, enemy continues to suffer losses – General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine


    As of 4:00 pm on Friday, February 25, Russian troops continue their offensive operation against Ukraine in previously chosen directions with the support of long-range tactical aviation and the use of long-range precision weapons.


    "Groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, together with the Territorial Defense Forces, hold the defense of Kyiv and previously defined lines. The enemy insidiously delivers air and artillery strikes on civilian infrastructure," the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported on Facebook.


    Russian troops continue to suffer losses. According to the General Staff, since the beginning of the invasion of the Russian Federation, units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have destroyed up to 80 tanks, 516 armored combat vehicles of various types, 7 helicopters, 10 aircraft, up to 20 cruise missiles and more than 100 vehicles. The loss of enemy personnel exceeded 2,800 people.


    Armed Forces of Ukraine, territorial defense hold defense of Kyiv city, enemy continues to suffer losses – General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Russian troops continue to suffer losses. According to the General Staff, since the beginning of the invasion of the Russian Federation, units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have destroyed up to 80 tanks, 516 armored combat vehicles of various types, 7 helicopters, 10 aircraft, up to 20 cruise missiles and more than 100 vehicles. The loss of enemy personnel exceeded 2,800 people.
    Seems high? but really who knows atm.

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    ^ I thought so, too. Hope he’s not the Ukraine’s Baghdad Bob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Your link shows a different video. I saw the video elsewhere and It's an apc not a tank. And there is no Z on the side of it, meaning it might be Ukraines. There is a firefight that preceeds it showing a truck being attacked and a soldier shot. Comments have said the truck was Russian infiltrators that stole it to escape. Who knows in the fog of war and it's hard to tell which vehicles are Russian or Ukraine.

    Has Backspit your password? Only a few Russian vehicles were painted with a Z

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWilly View Post
    Has Backspit your password? Only a few Russian vehicles were painted with a Z
    It's more than a few from all the footage I've seen, and I also said "might".

    And if you compare me to Backspin again, I "might" have to red you for eternity.

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    Western powers have realised Russia is largely immune to sanctions

    Phillip Inman Economics editor



    The war against Russia is one western countries want to fight with only economic sanctions, not guns.

    Russia’s conflict with Ukraine, despite its long gestation and planning by Vladimir Putin and his supporters in the Kremlin, was supposed to end quickly once financial retaliation began. Yes, there would be military skirmishes on the ground, but little more than a few casualties were expected once a range of penalties began to bite.

    The western powers have quickly realised that unless they are willing to fire the financial equivalent of a nuclear arsenal, Putin has made sure Russia is largely immune, at least in the short term.

    Over a decade, Kremlin policy has carefully reduced domestic public and private sector debt and allowed the central bank time to build a war chest of foreign assets large enough to shore up the countries finances for months, if not years.

    This means that the sanctions put in place over the past couple of days by the EU, US, UK, Japan and Canada are unlikely to have any significant effect on the Russian economy or its financial stability.

    Only the full package of measures used against Iran – shutting Russia out of the international payments system, Swift, while also banning purchases of Russian oil and gas – will do the trick.

    As Hosuk Lee-Makiyama, the head of the European Centre for International Political Economy, said, Europe has allowed itself to become more integrated with Russia, while Russia has separated itself from Europe.

    He said EU countries owned a combined €300bn of Russian assets that would be vulnerable to confiscation if a full-blooded financial war broke out. The UK owns billions more via firms such as BP, which has a near-20% stake in the Russian oil company Rosneft.


    “Sanctions are one of the few options that European countries have in a conflict situation like this. If you disconnect North Korea or Iran from the international financial system, you do not expose yourself to that much damage.”

    Speaking on BBC News, he added: “But while I don’t say it is impossible to envisage Russia being barred from the Swift system, it is a nuclear option that means you exterminate yourself along with your enemy.”

    Swift (the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication) is the main secure messaging system that banks use to make rapid and secure cross-border payments, allowing international trade to flow smoothly.

    It transmits trillions of dollars’ worth of deals every day, but is coming under pressure from a Chinese government-backed rival, Cips, which Russia could use to conduct its financial business deals supplemented by direct transactions with counterparties.

    It is also possible for the G7 countries and EU to ban the purchase of Russian gas and oil, but commodities analysts agree that while there is spare capacity in oil markets to make up for the loss of Russian supplies with a price rise limited to $140 a barrel, there is no hope of boosting gas output to fill a gap created by a Russia ban.

    Shortages would quickly force countries in Europe to ration gas and the price would be likely to rocket back to nine times normal levels, as seen before Christmas, stirring memories of the 1974 oil price shock.

    Andrew Kenningham, the chief Europe economist at the consultancy Capital Economics, said that while some countries – the Czech Republic and the Baltic states – had pushed for bans on Russian gas, “others are more reluctant and it would presumably take much more devastating developments in the conflict to trigger such measures”.

    Tom Mayne, a Russia expert at the thinktank Chatham House, said there was room to improve the current sanctions that allow a Russian kleptocracy access to London’s financial markets.

    In a report last year, the thinktank said an effective anti-kleptocracy drive would “close legal loopholes, demand transparency from public institutions, deploy anti-corruption sanctions against post-Soviet elites and prosecute British professionals who enable money laundering by kleptocrats”.

    Even the ramped-up sanctions announced by Boris Johnson fall short of this effective ban on illegal Russian money entering UK economic life. The UK is keen to go further than the EU with restrictions on Russian energy imports, but the EU has allowed itself to be much more dependent than the UK, limiting its appetite for further sanctions.

    Without bans on gas and oil exports, and expulsion from international payments systems, the impact of sanctions will be limited.

    Western powers have realised Russia is largely immune to sanctions (msn.com)


    A very good article from the Grauniad.
    Last edited by sabang; 26-02-2022 at 06:50 AM.

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    The western powers have quickly realised that unless they are willing to fire the financial equivalent of a nuclear arsenal, Putin has made sure Russia is largely immune, at least in the short term.
    So guess what's next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    It's more than a few from all the footage I've seen, and I also said "might".

    And if you compare me to Backspin again, I "might" have to red you for eternity.

    few or more than a few is largely irrelevant. The Z on a tank is not a unique Russian identifier. And therefore the absence of a Z does not mean the vehicle is not Russian.

    Sorry, called the post the way I saw it. The post sounded like a Russian misinformation propaganda post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWilly View Post
    more than a few but the Z on a tank is not a unique Russian identifier.
    Do you have a link to a Ukrainian Tank with a Z on it?

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    "Take these seeds and put them in your pocket..."

    lmao. Gotta love the Ukrainian Babushkas.


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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    Good for you, does that make you feel good whilst Ukrainians are being killed.
    He's a 'me me me' person . . . a perfect example of 'après moi le déluge"



    Quote Originally Posted by thailazer View Post
    So where are the SWIFT sanctions? That was left off the table but it would have huge impact.
    I'm sure that's next . . . hopefully the oligarchs will transfer their wealth out of the country . . . a SWIFT ban is then enacted cutting off these swine from them.

    Why is the US reluctant to implement a ban?

    One reason is that the impact on Russian businesses might not be so serious. The head of a large Russian bank, VTB, said recently he could use other channels for payments, such as phones, messaging apps or email. Russian banks could also route payments via countries that have not imposed sanctions, such as China, which has set up its own payments system to rival Swift. A ban on Russia using Swift could accelerate a the use of China’s rival Cips system. There is also a fear that it could damage to the US dollar’s status as the global reserve currency, and accelerate the use of alternatives such as cryptocurrencies.

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    Some updates from the Beeb

    198 Ukrainians killed so far - health minister

    A total of 198 Ukrainians, including three children, have been killed amid the Russian invasion according to the country's Health Minister Viktor Lyashko.

    A further 1,115 people have been wounded, among them 33 children he wrote on his Facebook page.


    More weapons to be sent to Ukraine - UK minister

    More from UK Armed Forces Minister James Heappey - he says the UK and 25 other countries have all agreed to provide more "humanitarian aid or lethal aid".

    He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that the UK would now work with those nations to co-ordinate how the military aid is delivered and "put into Ukrainian hands" - but gave no further details.

    He said that the Kremlin was likely to be "reflecting" on the stiff Ukrainian resistance it was meeting and conceded that there was a risk it would resort to heavier bombardments on Ukraine to compensate.

    And he said British diplomatic efforts were continuing to persuade other countries to agree to have Russia removed from the Swift international bank transfer system.

    "It's not a unilateral decision the UK can take - but our position is clear," he said.


    Russia's Day One objectives 'still in Ukrainian hands'

    UK Armed Forces Minister James Heappey has just been speaking to the BBC's Today programme - he says all the objectives Russia aimed to gain control of in the first day of its assault remain in Ukrainian hands.

    Those Russian forces active in Kyiv are special forces units and paratroopers but the main Russian armoured columns remain some way north of the city, he said.

    He praised Ukrainian resistance.

    "What stands in front of Ukraine is days and weeks of utter brutality but they are doing an amazing job," he said.

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