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    US airlines warn of “catastrophic” crisis days before 5G rollout

    Quite why this is coming out now is beyond me.

    US airlines have warned that the harm from 5G deployment across the US is substantially worse than originally anticipated, days before the new technology is set to be rolled out.
    The airlines warned that the country faces "major disruption" based on their evaluation of data and discussions that have been ongoing on how to resolve the issue of how best to deploy 5G in a safe manner around US airports.


    https://www.itpro.co.uk/mobile/5g/362002/us-airlines-warn-5g-catastrophic-crisis

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    ^That link didn’t open for me.

    US airlines warn of 'calamity' if 5G deployed near airports

    The chief executives of America's largest airlines warned of a "catastrophic disruption" to travel and shipping operations if telecommunication firms roll out their 5G technology as planned Wednesday without limiting the technology near US airports.


    Verizon and AT&T have already twice delayed the launch of their new C-Band 5G service, due to warnings from airlines and aircraft manufacturers concerned that the new system might interfere with the devices planes use to measure altitude.


    "We are writing with urgency to request that 5G be implemented everywhere in the country except within the approximate two miles of airport runways as defined by the FAA on January 19, 2022," the CEOs said in a Monday letter obtained by AFP.


    The executives, writing to Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg and other US government officials, highlighted the risk of "economic calamity" should Verizon and AT&T proceed with deploying the new technology before the necessary upgrades and changes have been made to aviation equipment.


    "To be blunt, the nation's commerce will grind to a halt," they said.


    The Federal Aviation Administration said Sunday it had approved some transponders to be safely operated within areas where 5G will be deployed, clearing "as many as 48 of the 88 airports most directly affected by 5G C-Band interference."


    But the airlines are worried that remaining limitations at those airports, as well as a large amount of equipment still uncertified, could trigger a crisis including the grounding of thousands of flights.


    In addition to the transport secretary, their letter was addressed to the head of the FAA, the head of the Federal Communications Commission and the White House's National Economic Council.


    US airlines also have protested against the potential costs incurred.


    - 'Immediate' intervention sought -


    The executives called on authorities to "take whatever action necessary to ensure that 5G is deployed except when towers are too close to airport runways until the FAA can determine how that can be safely accomplished without catastrophic disruption."


    The letter was signed by CEOs of major airlines including American, United, Delta and Southwest, as well as the leaders of shipping giants FedEx and UPS.


    "Immediate intervention is needed to avoid significant operational disruption to air passengers, shippers, supply chain and delivery of needed medical supplies," they wrote.


    "In addition to the chaos caused domestically," the letter continues, the lack of certified planes "could potentially strand tens of thousands of Americans overseas."


    The FAA released a brief statement Monday apparently seeking to allay concerns about the 5G rollout's impact on aviation, but it stopped short of declaring any concrete next steps in the process.


    "With safety as its core mission, the FAA will continue to ensure that the traveling public is safe as wireless companies deploy 5G," the agency said.


    "The FAA continues to work with the aviation industry and wireless companies to try to limit 5G-related flight delays and cancellations."


    Verizon and AT&T won contracts worth tens of billions of dollars last February to operate 5G in the 3.7-3.98 GHz frequency bands, and the rollout of the service was due to begin on December 5.


    Unless the major telecommunications companies are blocked by federal regulators or reach an agreement with the airlines, they are now scheduled to turn on their 5G service nationwide on January 19.

    US airlines warn of 'calamity' if 5G deployed near airports

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    Apparently, this only applies to 5G networks in the US and to the B787. The US are operating 5G at a higher frequency than in Europe and it is uncomfortably close to the Rad Alt frequency used on some aircraft.
    The article I read didn't mention Asian countries and which frequency band they are using.
    Sorry I haven't linked to article...

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    Why does 5G only pose a problem for US airplanes? | Light Reading
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    The US are operating 5G at a higher frequency than in Europe and it is uncomfortably close to the Rad Alt frequency used on some aircraft.

    Then maybe a bit more research should have been done prior to issuing the frequency? OR the airlines should have complained when the frequency was issued to 5G companies.

    Storm in a tea cup.
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    Several international airlines say they will cancel flights into the United States starting Wednesday amid uncertainty about interference between new 5G cell phone service and critical airplane technologies.

    Emirates, Air India, All Nippon Airways and Japan Airlines all announced service cuts citing the issue.

    Emirates said it would suspend flights into nine US airports: Boston, Chicago O'Hare, Dallas Fort Worth, George Bush Intercontinental in Houston, Miami, Newark, Orlando, San Francisco and Seattle. It said it would continue flying into New York's John F. Kennedy airport, the Los Angeles airport and Washington Dulles.

    "We are working closely with aircraft manufacturers and the relevant authorities to alleviate operational concerns, and we hope to resume our US services as soon as possible," Emirates
    said in its statement.


    Air India said it would suspend service between Delhi Airport and San Francisco, Chicago and JFK. It will also suspend a Mumbai to Newark flight.


    Both ANA and Japan Airlines said they canceled some flights to the US scheduled to use Boeing 777 aircraft, but will operate some flights using Boeing 787s instead.

    5G technology: Airlines suspend some US flights over deployment issue - CNN







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    What a shit show. I mean how long have they fucking known?

    Boeing alerted operators of its two largest jetliners that they might not be able to safely land at American airports where 5G signals are present, Bloomberg News reported citing to a person familiar with the matter.
    5G rollout disrupts flights into US from across the world

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    The president of Emirates tells CNN that the airline was not aware of some of the potential 5G rollout issues until yesterday morning, calling the situation "one of the most delinquent, utterly irresponsible" he has seen in his aviation career.

    Major international airlines are scrambling to modify or cancel flights to the United States amid uncertainty about potential interference between new 5G cell phone services and critical airplane technologies. Emirates has canceled flights to nine US destinations today.

    Speaking to CNN's Richard Quest today, Emirates president Tim Clark said that they were not aware of the issues until yesterday morning "to the extent that it was going to compromise the safety of operation of our aircraft and just about every other 777 operator to and from the United States and within the United States."


    Transportation regulators had already been concerned that the version of 5G that was scheduled to be switched on could interfere with some airplane instruments, and many aviation industry groups shared those fears — despite reassurances from federal telecom regulators and wireless carriers.


    Specifically, the Federal Aviation Administration has been worried that 5G cellular antennas near some airports — not air travelers' mobile devices — could throw off readings from some aircraft equipment designed to tell pilots how far they are from the ground. Those systems, known as radar altimeters, are used throughout a flight and are considered critical equipment. (Radar altimeters differ from standard altimeters, which rely on air pressure readings and do not use radio signals to gauge altitude.)

    Emirates president: The 5G snafu is the biggest screwup I've witnessed in my career - CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Apparently, this only applies to 5G networks in the US and to the B787
    Mmm its not like the 787 has had any problems.....

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    ^ my bad, applies to B777 as well. Not sure why US decided on the higher frequency for 5G. Well known issue published back in Nov 2020 following trials in Tel Aviv.

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