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    China Seeks First Military Base on Africa’s Atlantic Coast, U.S. Intelligence Finds

    Alarmed officials at the White House and Pentagon urge Equatorial Guinea to rebuff Beijing’s overtures


    BATA, Equatorial Guinea—Classified American intelligence reports suggest China intends to establish its first permanent military presence on the Atlantic Ocean in the tiny Central African country of Equatorial Guinea, according to U.S. officials.


    The officials declined to describe details of the secret intelligence findings. But they said the reports raise the prospect that Chinese warships would be able to rearm and refit opposite the East Coast of the U.S.—a threat that is setting off alarm bells at the White House and Pentagon.


    Principal deputy U.S. national security adviser Jon Finer visited Equatorial Guinea in October on a mission to persuade President Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo and his son and heir apparent, Vice President Teodoro “Teodorin” Nguema Obiang Mangue, to reject China’s overtures.


    “As part of our diplomacy to address maritime-security issues, we have made clear to Equatorial Guinea that certain potential steps involving [Chinese] activity there would raise national-security concerns,” said a senior Biden administration official.


    The great-power skirmishing over a country that rarely draws outside attention reflects the rising tensions between Washington and Beijing. The two countries are sparring over the status of Taiwan, China’s testing of a hypersonic missile, the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic and other issues.


    World-wide, the U.S. finds itself maneuvering to try to block China from projecting its military power from new overseas bases, from Cambodia to the United Arab Emirates.

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    An armour in the chink, I'm off for a Fernando Poo

    A very wierd place a UK mercenary involved recently

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    the chinese learnt well from european expansionism of the 17th 18th and 19th centuries and are now well on the way to colonising half the world, much to the chagrin of western powers, asleep at the wheel for decades and who now are sadly under the spell of liberal lefty wokesters who seem to drive every aspect of western policy, a policy that is now viewed entirely through the prism of climate, equality, gender and race and whose main concern seems to be how quickly we can cut off our noses, spite our faces and welcome the chinese in as saviours.

    how the chinese, masters of the long game, must be laughing and rubbing their hands with glee at how easily we drop our keks and bend over for them before they truly fuck us over in revenge for their humiliation at our hands centuries ago.

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    colonising
    Hardly.

    Anyway, as best I'm aware the only overseas Chinese military base so far is in Djibouti. So this might be the second- although you could count the Chinese installation on Mischief Reef, SCS as a foreign military base too, if you want to.

    This is quite a contrast to the 300++ foreign US military bases worldwide. I hardly see it as grounds for panic, considering China is about to become the worlds largest economy (actually it already is, in PPP terms).

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    “As part of our diplomacy to address maritime-security issues, we have made clear to Equatorial Guinea that certain potential steps involving [Chinese] activity there would raise national-security concerns,” said a senior Biden administration official.
    Good old 'national security concerns', eh.

    That unfortunately has been the pretext for some rather sinister activity on the part of the USA in the past many decades.

    A permanent military base would certainly pump big money into the Equatorial Guinean economy. I'm hoping the Americans will choose not to make a big deal of it.
    A true diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a manner that you will be asking for directions.

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    China feared to be hiding missiles in shipping containers for Trojan Horse-style plan to launch attack ANYWHERE in world



    CHINA has been secretly developing Trojan Horse-style missiles hidden in shipping containers that can be unleashed on enemy ports, experts warn.


    Military analysts believe the country’s huge fleet of freighters and fishing vessels could be turned into warships with the use of the secretive container missiles.

    Disguised as a regular shipping containers, they can be sneaked on board a vessel to blend in seamlessly with the hundreds of others on board.


    The sheer number of container ships in the world makes them harder to pinpoint than warships in the event of war.


    Like the fabled Trojan Horse, the missiles would be quietly smuggled into or near an enemy port on a civilian vessel before being unleashed in a surprise attack.


    Rick Fisher, senior fellow in Asian military affairs at the International Assessment and Strategy Center, told The Sun Online while Chinese have not officially confirmed they have the missiles - it is likely they have them.


    And the it was warned in a study by Stockton Center for International Law that the weapons could violate naval laws.


    Meanwhile, retired Navy Capt. Jim Fanell, a former Pacific Fleet intelligence chief, previously said a containerized anti-ship missile would add a significant threat to the US Navy.


    It comes amid a new wave of tensions between the US and China as the Communist giant challenges Washington's status as the world's top superpower.

    China is known to be aggressively developing its military and is squaring up to the US - expanding its reach around the world, such as in Africa.


    A mock-up of the missiles first appeared at an arms fair in 2016 and since then there has been speculation since they may now be in service with China’s armed forces.


    Mr Fisher believes the weapon fits with the Beijing's military strategy and likely would be used as an offensive capability against their enemies - potentially being smuggled into foreign ports anywhere in the world.


    Mr Fisher told The Sun Online “Chinese strategic preferences for surprise would strongly argue for acquisition” of the missiles.


    These would be fitted to “nondescript small Chinese ships in order to mount surprise missile raids against shore defences to assist follow on amphibious or airborne invasion forces”.


    Fisher said shipping container missile launchers can be smuggled through ports or via highway ports of entry


    They could then be stored for years in a climate-controlled building within range of US military bases, and taken out when needed for military operations.


    Mr Fisher said the containerised missiles would “offer China's leadership a wide array of options”.

    This includes “using larger container ships, thousands of fishing ships or stored containers in ports, to undertake military or terror mission strikes in a manner that can be denied if desired”.


    “The CCP (Chinese Communist Party) is fully capable of using containerized missiles to sow chaos when desired,” he insisted.


    For example Chinese missile launching containers could be stored near the Port of Seattle.


    The Chinese would wait for the day they can launch an electromagnetic pulse warhead-armed missiles over the nearby nuclear ballistic missile submarine base Fisher said.


    "The EMP blast might take out electronics on the [submarines] and all over the base without having to launch a nuclear missile from China,” he said.


    “Washington would be in chaos, would not know against whom to retaliate, and perhaps China uses American distraction to begin its real objective, the military conquest of Taiwan."


    According to US officials, the weapons deployed in the containers are an advanced anti-ship missile called the YJ-18C, which is a version of the Russian Club-K weapon.


    The missiles fit into a standard 8 feet wide by 8.5 feet high by 20 feet or 40 feet long standard shipping container.


    POWER GAME


    China is perceived as directly challenging the West for status as the world attempts to recover from the pandemic.


    Beijing is making moves to establish a foothold in the Atlantic Ocean with a new series of naval bases on the west coast of Africa.


    The country's first overseas naval base was built years ago in Djibouti in the Horn of Africa and it is steadily increasing its capacity.


    And for some time, many have thought that China was working to establish a naval base in Tanzania, a country on Africa's eastern coast that has a strong, long-standing military relationship with Beijing.


    Meanwhile, China is also seen to have taken the lead in the next stage of the global arms race as it flew a nuke-capable missile around the world.


    Hypersonic missiles are a game changer because unlike ballistic missiles, which fly into space before returning on steep trajectories, they zoom in on targets at lower altitudes.


    China - followed closely by Russia - were already regarded as having the most potent hypersonic missile arsenals pouring billions into them but others had been seen as catching up.


    But the shocking revelations of their missile test back in August has sent shockwaves through Western intelligence who fear they actually underestimated Beijing.


    US intelligence and military officials were reportedly left stunned after China launched a rocket in space carrying a hypersonic glide vehicle which circled the globe before before speeding towards its target.

    China feared to be hiding missiles in shipping containers for Trojan Horse-style plan to launch attack ANYWHERE in world

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    The missiles first appeared at the Zhuhai air show in 2016.

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    Just couldn’t help myself.
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    Really cunning of them to paint the containers in camuflage.

    No one will have a clue, before it's to late

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    China feared to be hiding missiles in shipping containers for Trojan Horse-style plan to launch attack ANYWHERE in world



    CHINA has been secretly developing Trojan Horse-style missiles hidden in shipping containers that can be unleashed on enemy ports, experts warn.


    Military analysts believe the country’s huge fleet of freighters and fishing vessels could be turned into warships with the use of the secretive container missiles.

    Disguised as a regular shipping containers, they can be sneaked on board a vessel to blend in seamlessly with the hundreds of others on board.


    The sheer number of container ships in the world makes them harder to pinpoint than warships in the event of war.


    Like the fabled Trojan Horse, the missiles would be quietly smuggled into or near an enemy port on a civilian vessel before being unleashed in a surprise attack.
    Is this from an Austin Powers movie, or an American WMD report about Iraq?

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    The US Sun

    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond View Post
    Is this from an Austin Powers movie, or an American WMD report about Iraq?
    The paper was founded by Mike Rosenbloom, then-publisher of Globe Magazine, in 1983 as a competitor to Weekly World News, and its early contents reflected the same kind of imaginative journalism.[2] When both papers were consolidated under American Media Inc. ownership in 1999, Sun's content came to specialize in recurring stories on Bible prophecy, Nostradamus, global warming, the apocalypse, epidemics, and future war
    Better than FOX, I guess

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    You really can't beat The Sun, can you.

    But hey, next conspiracy theory- maybe that is why they have so few foreign military bases!

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Really cunning of them to paint the containers in camuflage.
    And placing them on the top of hundreds of those full of "financial weapons of mass destruction", in all the others.


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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    A permanent military base would certainly pump big money into the Equatorial Guinean economy. I'm hoping the Americans will choose not to make a big deal of it.
    You really are a moron, aren't you?

    EG is an oil rich state. The president Teodoro Obiang and his despicable son who goes by the same name and also happens to be the vice president have been bilking the nation's oil money for decades. They have invested almost nothing to develop the country, which remains one of the poorest in Africa despite being flush with oil money. Any money that the Chinese pour in will go directly in their pockets and the people will see none of it.

    China has no business in the Atlantic Ocean. It has no territory there, and the only reason for putting a base there is to attempt to destabilize the region.



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    The BRI has to end somewhere, why not the Atlantic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    The BRI has to end somewhere, why not the Atlantic?
    Fuck the BRI.

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    Who is willing to bet that the dictators in Equatorial Guinea are found to be committing crimes against humanity and their own citizens, and the US together with willing partners liberate the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Who is willing to bet that the dictators in Equatorial Guinea are found to be committing crimes against humanity and their own citizens, and the US together with willing partners liberate the place.
    Who wants to take a guess who gets most of the chinky backhanders?

    Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo (Spanish pronunciation: [teoˈðoɾo oˈβjaŋɡ ˈŋɡema ˈmbasoɡo]; born 5 June 1942) is an Equatoguinean politician and former military officer who has served as the 2nd president of Equatorial Guinea since August 1979. He is the second longest consecutively serving current non-royal national leader in the world

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    Who wants to take a guess who hands out most of the backhanders?

    From all these NaGastani companies, presumably?

    Equatorial Guinea grants two year extensions on oil & gas exploration

    "Equatorial Guinea relies on oil and gas for around 90% of state revenue.

    Oil companies operating in Equatorial Guinea include:

    Exxon Mobil,

    Marathon Oil Corp,

    Kosmos Energy,

    Noble Energy."

    Equatorial Guinea grants two year extensions on oil & gas exploration | Reuters

    SOP NaGastani oil companies playbook, pay the local pennies on the pound - no taxes to pay in NaGastan.

    Read:

    Confessions of an Economic Hit Man

    and

    3rd Edition: Super-Imperialism


    Last edited by OhOh; 07-12-2021 at 10:52 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Who wants to take a guess who hands out most of the backhanders?

    From all these NaGastani companies, presumably?
    Yeah, they probably had to line his pockets too to get the exploration and production rights.

    He's not a very nice bloke. Probably gets on really well with Mr. Shithole.

    Abuses under Obiang have included "unlawful killings by security forces; government-sanctioned kidnappings; systematic torture of prisoners and detainees by security forces; life-threatening conditions in prisons and detention facilities; impunity; arbitrary arrest, detention, and incommunicado detention."
    The few private media outlets in the country are largely owned by persons close to Obiang. Freedoms of association and of assembly are severely curtailed, and the government imposes restrictive conditions on the registration and operation of nongovernmental organizations. The few local activists who work on human rights-related issues often face intimidation, harassment, and reprisals.
    World Report 2019: Equatorial Guinea | Human Rights Watch

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    He's not a very nice bloke.
    Not like me then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Yeah, they probably had to line his pockets too to get the exploration and production rights.
    I'll take your word for it.

    After all you are the experienced fellow into corrupt oil rich regimes.
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    He's not a very nice bloke. Probably gets on really well with Mr. Shithole.
    Would you consider working for either asshole, if the price was right right ?

    Ofcourse you would

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    I'll take your word for it.

    After all you are the experienced fellow into corrupt oil rich regimes.


    Would you consider working for either asshole, if the price was right right ?

    Ofcourse you would
    I'd consider taking either of their jobs.

    Who wouldn't, authoritarian for life?

    That is what you mean, right?

    I mean you're not trying to talk whatabout are you?

    You stupid scandihooligan twat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I'd consider taking either of their jobs.

    Who wouldn't, authoritarian for life?
    Wet dream ?

    Get a life

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Wet dream ?

    Get a life
    Says the pathetic scandihooligan who contributes nothing but the occasional troll.

    Get fucked.

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