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China’s carbon pollution now surpasses all developed countries combined

Carbon pollution from China's bustling, coal-intensive economy last year outstripped the carbon pollution of the US, the EU, and other developed nations combined, making up a whopping 27 percent of all greenhouse gas emissions worldwide.


As China’s economy has grown in the last 30 years, so too have its emissions. While pollution from developed countries has largely been flat since 1990, it has more than tripled in China. The country’s soaring emissions and stable population mean that its per capita emissions have grown quickly, too. At 10.1 tons per person, emissions are just below the 10.5 ton average of the 37-nation Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, or OECD.


The US still leads the world in per capita emissions, at 17.6 tons per person, according to Rhodium Group's numbers, though President Joe Biden has pledged that the US will halve emissions by 2030. The other developed countries in the report include all 27 current EU member states: the UK, Australia, Canada, Chile, Iceland, Israel, Japan, Korea, Mexico, New Zealand, Norway, Switzerland, and Turkey.


China’s draconian lockdowns early in the COVID-19 pandemic allowed the country's economy to bounce back relatively quickly, and as a result, Rhodium expects that China's emissions per capita will surpass the average of the OECD nations.


Over the last few years, China’s growing carbon emissions have drawn the attention of leaders from around the world. In 2018, the Communist Party lifted a ban on the construction of new coal plants, and its policies have become more generous in years since. Though China has installed a large number of solar panels and wind turbines, fossil fuels still power the vast majority of its industries and transportation modes. Its electrical grid is particularly carbon-intensive—half of the world’s coal is burned inside China’s borders.

China’s carbon pollution now surpasses all developed countries combined | Ars Technica

Chinky bastards.

Factory of the World, innit. But still-

At 10.1 tons per person, emissions are just below the 10.5 ton average of the 37-nation ..... OECD.

They've been making all the right sound about bringing it down- lets see how that translates into action.

As well as this-

The US still leads the world in per capita emissions, at 17.6 tons per person

Over to you "Exceptional Ones". Waddya gonna do??

Per capita emissions are nothing but a furphy and a diversionary tactic which the gullible and scientifically illiterate gobble up. This diverts attention from the big emitters like China who are fucking the planet on a grand scale.
As a comparison, Gibraltars CO2 emissions are around 17 tons per capita, almost the equivalent of the USA and around 60% more per capita than China.
On total CO2 output Gibraltar emits approx 627 thousand tons of CO2 per annum, as compared to almost 11 BILLION tons per annum from China, which is more than double the USA at 5.1 Billion tons per annum.
To put this in perspective. China emits Gibraltars' entire yearly CO2 emissions in less than 30 minutes and even the second biggest emitter USA in less than 6 months. Whilst USA emissions at least are starting to fall, China's emissions are still rising.

The US: Your per capita emissions are less than ours.


Also the US: Your per capita emissions are dangerously high and need to be reduced!!

What else to say-

Over to you "Exceptional Ones". Waddya gonna do??

Except that you will be judged by your results, not your rhetoric.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

Per capita emissions are nothing but a furphy and a diversionary tactic which the gullible and scientifically illiterate gobble up. This diverts attention from the big emitters like China who are fucking the planet on a grand scale.
As a comparison, Gibraltars CO2 emissions are around 17 tons per capita, almost the equivalent of the USA and around 60% more per capita than China.
On total CO2 output Gibraltar emits approx 627 thousand tons of CO2 per annum, as compared to almost 11 BILLION tons per annum from China, which is more than double the USA at 5.1 Billion tons per annum.
To put this in perspective. China emits Gibraltars' entire yearly CO2 emissions in less than 30 minutes and even the second biggest emitter USA in less than 6 months. Whilst USA emissions at least are starting to fall, China's emissions are still rising.

That's because chinkies keep building coal-fired power stations that they slipped in before their imaginary "deadline".

Originally Posted by Edmond

The US: Your per capita emissions are less than ours.


Also the US: Your per capita emissions are dangerously high and need to be reduced!!

Originally Posted by sabang

What else to say-

Coal-fired power is on the rise in America for the first time since 2014

America: We are increasing the the amount of coal generated power.

Also America: You other countries shouldn't increase the amount of coal generated power.

Originally Posted by Edmond

America: We are increasing the the amount of coal generated power.

Also America: You other countries shouldn't increase the amount of coal generated power.

Maybe you could provide a source for your claim.

Originally Posted by Edmond

America: We are increasing the the amount of coal generated power.

Ahhmm...

The EIA said the rise of coal generation in the United States "will most likely not continue." The report forecasts a 5% decline in US coal-fired generation in 2022 due to the retirement of coal-fired units and slightly lower natural gas prices.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Maybe you could provide a source for your claim.

Sure.

The US Government Energy Information Agency okay for you?

Annual U.S. coal-fired electricity generation will increase for the first time since 2014 - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

We expect 22% more U.S. coal-fired generation in 2021 than in 2020, according to our latest Short-Term Energy Outlook (STEO). The U.S. electric power sector has been generating more electricity from coal-fired power plants this year as a result of significantly higher natural gas prices and relatively stable coal prices. This year, 2021, will yield the first year-over-year increase in coal generation in the United States since 2014.

Ah, so they're jumping on a blip then.

They do the same thing with climate change.

One month where records aren't being set and the whole climate change argument becomes "a hoax".

Originally Posted by Edmond

America: We are

We are...

Originally Posted by bsnub

The EIA said the rise of coal generation in the United States "will most likely

"Will most likely."

I'm not sure what grade Americans are taught verb tenses, but maybe researching and buying their text book might be educational. :-)

That EIA is a great site to get the whole picture.

Lowest coal stocks since 1978.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

so they're jumping on a blip then.

They are the US government energy agency, they don't jump on anything, they state facts.

Coal generated power in the US is on the rise this current year.

Them's the facts kids. :-)

Originally Posted by Edmond

"Will most likely."

Ya, but that is why they are forecasting a 5% decline next year because they expect to be wrong and all. That makes sense. The only reason why the increase happened at all was because natural gas has had a huge price increase do to logistical issues. It's temporary.

Originally Posted by bsnub

the increase

Yes.

Originally Posted by Edmond

America: We are increasing the the amount of coal generated power.

Shure tiz terribly sad. Terribly sad.

Originally Posted by Edmond

Shure tiz terribly sad. Terribly sad.

Ohh. Didn't know you were a midget.


But it does explain a lot.

Originally Posted by Edmond

Ohh. Didn't know you were a midget.

If I was, we could be in the same club together.

If one stood on the others shoulders, maybe you could get into a club together.

Originally Posted by Edmond

They are the US government energy agency, they don't jump on anything, they state facts.

Coal generated power in the US is on the rise this current year.

Them's the facts kids. :-)

Nah I'm talking about you ignoring the trend.

Pretty standard tactic.

The US have halved its coal consumption in 14 years.

Meanwhile, in chinkystan:

BEIJING/SINGAPORE, Oct 22 (Reuters) - China's new coal output rate, hiked this week in the teeth of an energy crunch, puts it on pace to produce more of the fuel this year than ever before if the increase is sustained, according to Reuters' calculations based on official Beijing data.
That record level, just under 4 billion tonnes if new production rates are maintained until year-end, significantly raises potential to produce electricity in a country where most power is generated from coal, going some way to easing growth worries that have clouded over the world's no. 2 economy.

The surge in coal output comes just days before world leaders meet in Glasgow for the U.N. COP26 summit on climate change - accelerated by the large emissions caused by burning coal and other dirty fuels.

China coal surge puts supply record, power jump within reach | Reuters

^ I have posted nothing but verifiable fact on this thread!

Coal generated power in the US is on the increase (The US government energy agency) and (the myspace page he was giving to TD members after signing up) snub is a ginger midget. :-)

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U.S. coal demand and production are on the rise, and MT and WY are helping drive the increase

Yellowstone Public Radio | By Kayla Desroches

Published October 21, 2021 at 5:16


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A pile of coal.

Higher natural gas prices coupled with recovering demand for U.S. coal are putting the coal industry on track for the first year-over-year increase in generation it’s seen since 2014.
The U.S. Energy Information Administration expects 22% more U.S. coal-fired generation this year than last, partially due to coal’s stable prices compared to natural gas, and stoked by increased demand from domestic and Asia Pacific markets.
U.S. coal production increased from roughly 265,000 thousand tons in the first six months of 2020 to about 283,000 thousand tons over the same period this year, according to federal data, with production rising even more since July.
Westmoreland Mining owns three coal mines in Montana. Chief Operating Officer Joe Micheletti says while he doesn’t believe coal is on the verge of returning to 2008 heights, he’s optimistic about the industry’s rebound.
“It’s been year after year where we’ve seen decline, decline, decline," he says. "Our hope is maybe we’ve hit the bottom and what we see coming is maybe what we see right now that the coal demand is going to be maybe steady."
Coal from the Powder River Basin in northeast Wyoming and southeast Montana accounts for around 43% of U.S. output.

Originally Posted by Edmond

Coal generated power in the US is on the increase

I explained that it is temporary and the same agency forecasts that coal production will decline by 5% next year. Yet you persist in bleating on.

Clearly the GIF I posted of you falling out of the car has triggered you.