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    The Ghislaine Maxwell Trial

    The feeling is that the defence are going to go after the credibility of the witnesses while at the same time portraying Maxwell as just another manipulated Epstein victim.

    Should be interesting.

    Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer told a jury on Monday that the sex abuse charges against the British socialite were for things that deceased financier Jeffrey Epstein had done and that the memories of the accusers had been “manipulated".
    “The charges against Ghislaine Maxwell are for things that Jeffrey Epstein did, but she is not Jeffrey Epstein,” defence lawyer Bobbi Sternheim said.
    Ms Maxwell is on trial in Manhattan federal court for recruiting and grooming four young girls for Epstein to abuse between 1994 and 2004. Epstein died in jail in 2019 while awaiting trial on sex abuse charges.
    Prosecutors say that Ms Maxwell — a former employee and romantic partner of Epstein's — sent gifts such as lingerie and discussed sexual topics with the girls to win their trust before encouraging them to give Epstein erotic massages, the 2021 indictment against her says.


    “She preyed on vulnerable young girls, manipulated them and served them up to be sexually abused,” Assistant District Attorney Lara Pomerantz said in the prosecution's opening statement.

    Ms Maxwell has pleaded not guilty to eight charges of sex trafficking and other crimes, including two counts of perjury that will be tried at a later date.
    Appearing in court wearing a white face mask, she faces up to 80 years in prison if convicted on all counts.
    The trial comes in the wake of the #MeToo movement, which has encouraged victims of sexual abuse to speak out against powerful men such as movie producer Harvey Weinstein and R&B singer R Kelly. The case against Ms Maxwell stands out in part because she is a woman.
    Four accusers are expected to give evidence as government witnesses in the trial.


    Ms Maxwell frequently wrote during the morning proceedings, sometimes handing notes to her lawyers.

    Prosecutors have said Ms Maxwell encouraged the girls to massage Epstein while they were fully or partially nude. In some cases, Epstein or Ms Maxwell would pay them cash or offer to pay for their travel or education, and Epstein sometimes performed lewd acts during the massages, prosecutors said.
    Ms Pomerantz described Ms Maxwell as “essential” to Epstein's abuse of the girls, seeking to undermine the defence's expected argument that she was not aware of Epstein's alleged crimes.
    “Sometimes, she was even in the room for the massages herself, and sometimes she touched the girls' bodies,” Ms Pomerantz said.
    “And even when she was not in the room, make no mistake: she knew exactly what Epstein was going to do with those children when she sent them to him inside the massage rooms.”
    Defence lawyers have said that prosecutors, unable to convict Epstein, are using the daughter of late British media magnate Robert Maxwell as a scapegoat.

    Ms Sternheim told jurors that the memories of Ms Maxwell's accusers had been “manipulated” by lawyers who encouraged them to sue Ms Maxwell and Epstein for damages.
    A compensation fund set up after Epstein's death has been paying claims of accusers from the financier's estate. Ms Sternheim said Ms Maxwell's accusers received payouts.
    “Memories fade over time and in this case, you will learn that not only have memories faded, but they have been contaminated by outside information, constant media reports and other influences,” Ms Sternheim said.

    Ghislaine Maxwell '''preyed on vulnerable young girls''', trial prosecutors allege

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    I read somewhere that the pilot of Epstein's private jet was going to testify about who has or hasn't been on it and flown to what many call Paedo Island. This could get really interesting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    This could get really interesting...
    Or really boring?

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    ^Well there's all sorts of very high profile people that deny ever having met Epstein or been to the Island that might have some explaining to do, and it's great watching these type of people come crashing down to earth.

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    Sounds like an interesting mix of people milling around outside the courthouse...

    During the lunch break, which came before opening statements, a group gathered outside the courthouse for a purported rally against sex trafficking, though the comments were largely conspiratorial.


    A speaker, using a megaphone, said Epstein “didn’t kill himself”. One attendee sported a red-and-white cap, similar to those worn by supporters of Donald Trump, that said the same thing.


    Some protesters set up a tent to facilitate the distribution of stickers, some of which expressed skepticism about Covid-19. One woman held a sign that read: “COVID IS NOT A PANDEMIC BUT A HUMAN TRAFFICKING” [issue], along with the words “Illegal Organ Harvesting”.
    Ghislaine Maxwell ‘preyed on vulnerable young girls’, prosecutors say | Ghislaine Maxwell | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    A speaker, using a megaphone, said Epstein “didn’t kill himself...
    I'm no tin-foil hat conspiracy theory whack job but to have such a high profile inmate (who would have been on suicide-watch) left alone in his cell with nobody watching him and the CCTV cameras not working is about as suss as it could possibly get. There'd have been plenty of people glad he didn't live to testify or cut a deal starting with the likes of Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, and Trump. They'd all be shitting themselves about what might come out in this trial.

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    Damn it's not on the telly. That's disappointing.

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    Just imagine Ghislaine hanging on the street out in front of high schools looking for exactly the 'right' victim. Harvey would have schooled her in exactly what characteristics he was looking for of young girls to be on the menu. She probably would have gone through many girls before finding the right one. And then the process of 'grooming'. Harvey 'performing lewd acts' while being massaged in a state of nakedness.

    All pretty disgusting stuff.

    'Victim' my ass.

    I hope she gets to spend a long stretch being 'groomed' by her friend in the lockup. Stupid British bitch.
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    Just imagine Ghislaine
    you can say what you like about her, but shes got a fine pair of breasts on her.




    Harvey
    who is harvey?

    is perv overload confusing you?

    you must be an american.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    you must be an american.


    I've been called worse.

    But not often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    who is harvey?
    My bad, tis Jeffrey. Jeffrey Epstein.



    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    is perv overload confusing you?
    Yes, maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    ^Well there's all sorts of very high profile people that deny ever having met Epstein.
    yes, there are.


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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    shes got a fine pair of breasts on her
    ...nail those to the cell wall...

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    Just think of the frequent Fecker Miles these "VIP"s notched!
    But Epstein’s flights became the focus of intense media scrutiny after it was discovered that former President Bill Clinton, Britain’s Prince Andrew, lawyer Alan Dershowitz and a host of other celebrities took trips on his planes…
    Asked about the well-known names who flew on Epstein’s planes, Visoski mentioned Prince Andrew and also listed former astronaut and Ohio Sen. John Glenn, actors Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker, violinist Itzhak Perlman. He said Donald Trump was a repeat flier before he became president.
    “There was more than once, I believe,” Visoski said. “I certainly remember President Trump but not anyone else associated with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david44
    ..Alan Dershowitz...
    Picture that slime ball, roaming Epstein’s island, his pasty white skin baking in the sun, wearing nothing but a lime green thong bikini, leering at underage girls.

    I can already taste the bile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    I'm no tin-foil hat conspiracy theory whack job but to have such a high profile inmate (who would have been on suicide-watch) left alone in his cell with nobody watching him and the CCTV cameras not working is about as suss as it could possibly get.
    And yet all is quiet on that front . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    but shes got a fine pair of breasts on her.
    "had" i would think

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    "had" i would think
    life in the jizzlane as shin harvests the data

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    Finally, an aspect of the trial that has sparked TD interest.

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    It almost always devolves to the lowest common denominator here...

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    A British woman testified Monday that Ghislaine Maxwell pressured her into giving Jeffrey Epstein sexual massages when she was still a teenager, assuring her she would have “fun” with him.
    The woman — testifying at Maxwell's sex-abuse trial in New York City using the pseudonym “Kate” to protect her privacy — described one episode during the mid-1990s at Epstein's Palm Beach, Florida estate where Maxwell left out a schoolgirl's outfit with a pleated skirt for her to wear for the financier.

    “I thought it would be fun for you to take Jeffrey his tea in this outfit,” the witness recalled Maxwell telling her.

    After a sexual encounter that followed, the British socialite “asked me if I had fun” and told her, “You are such a good girl,” she said.

    The witness was the second woman to take the witness stand against Maxwell in federal court in Manhattan. But unlike the first, she was at the age of consent in Great Britain and the United States during her sexual contact with Epstein, so the judge barred her from detailing specific sex acts.

    Maxwell, 59, has denied charges she groomed girls as young as 14 for Epstein, who killed himself in jail in 2019. Her lawyers say the government is making her a scapegoat for Epstein's alleged sex crimes.

    The woman who testified on Monday said she met Maxwell at age 17 through a friend of hers she had dated on and off, and was eager to be friends with the British socialite. Maxwell told her Epstein, then her boyfriend, was a philanthropist who could help her with her singing career, she said.


    Maxwell also told her that Epstein was “demanding” when it came to sexual massages, saying it was “very difficult to keep up" with his needs, the witness said. After agreeing to give him massages in London, she was later flown on commercial flights to Florida, where she said the interactions continued when she was 18.


    She recalled that the first time she saw Epstein naked, Maxwell was standing right next to him. “I remember it so clearly because I was terrified and frozen,” she said.


    By contrast, Maxwell's demeanor was “almost like a schoolgirl,” she said. “Everything was fun. Everything seemed to be like a fun, silly joke."


    She said she resisted “disengaging” from Maxwell and Epstein “because I had witnessed how connected they both were and I was fearful."


    Asked about wanting to testify anonymously, she said, “I have a huge amount of humiliation and shame around the events that took place” and wanted to protect her child from knowing details.


    On cross-examination, a lawyer for Maxwell got the witness to acknowledge instances where she had spoken out publicly about Epstein and Maxwell using her real name. The lawyer also asked whether her history of drug and alcohol abuse affected her memory.


    “It has not had an impact on the memories I have always had,” she said.


    The jury also saw bank statements on Monday showing that between 1999 and 2007, roughly USD 30 million was transferred from Epstein's accounts to those of Maxwell's. About USD 7 million of that was used in the purchase of a helicopter, the records showed.

    British Woman Testifies, 'Pressured Into Giving Sexual Massages To Jeffrey Epstein'
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    I don't think this is going well for Maxwell.

    The fourth and final accuser to testify in Ghislaine Maxwell’s child sex-trafficking trial said Friday that she was 16-years-old when Maxwell massaged her naked chest at Jeffrey Epstein’s New Mexico ranch.
    The accuser, Annie Farmer, also told the courtroom that soon after her unpleasant encounter with Maxwell, Epstein climbed into her bed and said he ‘wanted to cuddle.’
    She described feeling ‘kind of frozen’ in that moment.
    Prosecutor Lara Pomerantz asked, ‘Do you see anyone in this courtroom who has given you a massage?’
    Farmer replied: ‘Yes, I do,’ saying that she was ‘wearing a brown sweater,’ and was seated across the room, to her right, the Guardian reported.
    ‘Let the record reflect that the witness has identified the defendant,’ Pomerantz said.
    Farmer, who is now 42, is the only accuser to testify using her full name in Maxwell’s federal trial in New York. Other accusers have only used their first name, or have given a pseudonym to protect their identity.
    Farmer told jurors she met Epstein in Manhattan in 1995 because her sister worked for him as a fine arts painter. He had told her sister he was interested in helping her with her education. Like other accusers, Farmer at the time was also struggling with financial instability.
    The next year, when she was just 16, she was flown out to visit Epstein in New Mexico. There she met Maxwell, who showed her how to massage Epstein’s feet.
    ‘She asked me if I’d ever had a professional massage,’ Farmer told the courtroom. ‘She said she wanted me to have that experience and would be happy to give me a massage.’
    Pomerantz asked Farmer what she was wearing when Maxwell gave her the massage.
    ‘Nothing,’ Farmer said.
    ‘Why were you wearing nothing?’
    ‘She told me to get undressed,’ Farmer said.
    ‘She said to get undressed and get [under] the sheet on the massage table, and I did. And then she, you know, started rubbing my body and rubbing my back and my legs,’ Farmer said. ‘And while she was doing this, she was just, you know, making small talk, and then at some point in the massage, she had me roll over, so I was lying on my back.’
    ‘She pulled the sheet down and exposed my breasts, and started rubbing on my chest and on my upper breast.’ As Farmer recounted this, Maxwell looked toward her accuser.
    ‘I just wanted so badly to get off the table,’ Farmer said.
    Her distressing experience continued the next morning, when Epstein ‘bounded into the room, saying he wanted to cuddle,’ she said, recounting when she was 16.
    ‘He climbed into bed with me,’ she said, adding that Epstein put his arm around her.
    ‘He pressed his body into me.’
    She told Epstein she had to go to the bathroom so she could escape the situation. That summer, she went on a cultural immersion trip to Vietnam, funded by Epstein. She did not have any contact with Epstein or Maxwell upon her return.
    When asked to describe the experiences she had with Epstein and Maxwell that weekend, Farmer said she believed the pair were working to normalize the inappropriate behavior in an attempt to sexually abuse her.
    Farmer is one of four women testifying in Maxwell’s criminal trial in a Manhattan federal court. All the accusers have recounted sexualized ‘massages’ that they claim Maxwell normalized, oftentimes participating in them herself.
    Maxwell, 59, has been accused of recruiting and grooming young girls to be abused by Epstein. She has denied all charges.

    Ghislaine Maxwell trial: Annie Farmer details nude massage given at 16 | Metro News

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I don't think this is going well for Maxwell.
    Her goose is as good as cooked.

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