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    Poland sends troops to Belarus border

    The filthy Belarussian dictator is trying to pressure the EU to remove sanctions on him. You would think the scabby, murderous dictator next door would have a word in his ear, but perhaps he is the one geeing him up.

    It seems that EU harridan is earning her crust by threatening to up the stakes.

    Poland scrambled 12,000 troops and an anti-terror squad to its border on Monday to block the passage of migrants it claims were sent by the Belarusian regime.

    Footage from the morning showed a column of perhaps 2,000, mostly Kurdish migrants, women and children included, making their way towards the Polish border at Kuznica.


    By late afternoon, videos were showing a tense showdown with soldiers, with rocks being thrown in one direction and tear gas in the other. There were several attempts to cross the border with force.

    Early reports suggesting that at least part of the group managed to break through appear premature.

    It is the largest and most violent episode of a manufactured migrant crisis which is exacerbating difficult relations between Europe and Belarus.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1953704.html
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    He is such a [at][at][at][at], even looks like a [at][at][at][at], my dad always said what looks like a [at][at][at][at] usually is a [at][at][at][at] and most definitely in this instance he is right and this guy is 100% the [at][at][at][at] of all cunts.

    If I had the time I would be on that border. This madness and unrelenting stream of people, who we know nothing about, has to stop yesterday.

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    Russia sends bombers to fly over Belarus

    As migrants from the Middle East, Afghanistan and Africa made new attempts to break into Poland overnight, Moscow sent a further signal of support for its ally Belarus by dispatching two strategic bomber planes to patrol Belarusian airspace.
    The Tu-22M3 bombers helped test Belarus's joint air defence system, RIA news agency quoted the defence ministry as saying in a statement that did not refer to the migrant crisis but served to underline the rise in tensions on NATO's eastern frontier.

    Russia sends bombers to fly over Belarus, blames EU for migrant catastrophe | Reuters

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    Wasn't it OhOh who claimed that there are no Syrian refugees?
    And now Russia is helping Syrian refugees flee from the country that they are fu*king up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Wasn't it OhOh who claimed that there are no Syrian refugees?
    And now Russia is helping Syrian refugees flee from the country that they are fu*king up.
    I don't think hoohoo would deny that, but he'd blame it on these countrywide imaginary terrorists that Assad and Vlad have been bombing in Sunni civilian areas since 2011.

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    Germany got its workers, but messed up the EU at the same time.

    Gaddafi warned the west.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Germany got its workers, but messed up the EU at the same time.

    Gaddafi warned the west.
    He literally did, I remember that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonecollector View Post
    He literally did, I remember that.
    Oh FFS, he was getting cash payments from the Italians to keep the unwashed out of Italy. There was no warning they knew what was coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Germany got its workers, but messed up the EU at the same time.
    What the fuck are you talking about again, halfwit.

    Wasn't it agreed that you'd stay in the 'singlet' and 'dental hygiene' threads at TD?

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    I don't see France making much effort to stop the many II's headed for Britain gathered there in Calais either. Does that make them cnuts too? Likewise Erdogan and his threats, but we know he's a cnut. And of course Libya- are they cnuts now that Gadaffi is not around to stop the flow?

    migrants it claims were sent by the Belarusian regime
    How exactly can refugees be 'sent' by the Belarussian regime- or French, Turkish or Libyan for that matter. They are not being stopped as diligently as we would like, that's all.

    But it seems disingenuous to me to cause these refugee waves in the first place with our ill considered wars, and then bitch and moan about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I don't see France making much effort to stop the many II's headed for Britain gathered there in Calais either.
    You're not looking


    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    But it seems disingenuous
    for you to constantly play with whataboutism. Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Germany got its workers, but messed up the EU at the same time.

    Gaddafi warned the west.
    Have to agree with you on that one. Germany got its cheap workers, but they are costing more then they are paying. Germany opened the gates and countries like Belarus,Russia and Turkey got us and the EU by the balls now. If Gaddafi would have done what he was preaching he might still be alive now

    In the mean time the hypocritical Krauts are out there with their boats picking up migrants (the press doesn't call them refugees anymore ) from Africa and dumping them to the Italians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    How exactly can refugees be 'sent' by the Belarussian regime...
    If you ask yourself how these migrants got to Belarus in the first place then you could answer your question all by yourself. Give it a try


    *I will give you a small hint, Belarus is not a tourist attraction and got shit to offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It seems that EU harridan is earning her crust by threatening to up the stakes.
    Earning her crust, the EU borders put sieves to shame, they are a fukin joke. The whole block is in a mess but instead choses to spend its time ensuring there is a hard border in Ireland

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    What the fuck are you talking about again, halfwit.

    Wasn't it agreed that you'd stay in the 'singlet' and 'dental hygiene' threads at TD?
    Best if you do, what you do best trashing threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I don't think hoohoo would deny that, but he'd blame it on these countrywide imaginary terrorists that Assad and Vlad have been bombing in Sunni civilian areas since 2011.

    https://teakdoor.com/speakers-corner...ml#post4300906 (Stop Believing US Military Invasions Have Noble Intentions)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Wasn't it OhOh who claimed
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I don't think hoohoo would deny that
    Not me.
    Post the link charlatans.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bonecollector View Post
    This madness and unrelenting stream of people, who we know nothing about, has to stop yesterday.
    You may wish to recall the previous waves of refugees fleeing NaGastan and NATO wars, in Asia and Africa. Travelling to Europe via many routes.

    At one time, it was EU policy to receive and help the refugees to travel, along with providing shelter, jobs and living expenses.

    That policy changed and Turkey was incentivised to "manage" the Asian refugees within Turkey. Due to local problems.

    Some have suggested the refugees currently stuck are of Afghanistan or Turkish origin.

    Some have suggested those responsible for the creation, by bombing, mining, splattering children starving ...., of the flow of refugees are responsible and must arrange, a Turkey like solution, possibly.

    Some have suggested the relevant countries should engage with the Bellarussin government and other governments along the route to agree a solution. If they wish to uphold the refugee's human rights.

    The European countries need to decide which is important, refugees human rights or political games, at the refugees cost. Or group sanctions.

    Some political leaders have discussed the current situation and suggested some steps that may alleviate this situation.

    Telephone conversation with Acting Federal Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel


    Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with Acting Federal Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel, at the German side’s initiative.

    November 10, 202113:45

    "The parties discussed at length the refugee crisis on the Belarusian border with EU countries and expressed concern over its humanitarian consequences.

    The President of Russia proposed establishing direct dialogue between representatives of the EU member states and Minsk to discuss the problems that have emerged in this respect.
    Vladimir Putin and Angela Merkel agreed to continue discussing this topic."

    Telephone conversation with Acting Federal Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel • President of Russia

    Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov's remarks and answers to media questions at a joint news conference with Foreign Minister of Belarus Vladimir Makei following a meeting of the collegiums of the Russian and Belarusian foreign ministries, Moscow, November 10, 2021

    2284-10-11-2021

    Q & A on the refuge issue in Belorussian.

    "Question (to Vladimir Makei):

    Austrian Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg said Vienna will host an international conference on Belarusian issues. He noted that it is inappropriate to talk to Minsk in the language of sanctions alone. Does this mean that our Western partners are seeking an opportunity for talks? What is this initiative about? Will current authorities from the Republic of Belarus attend this conference?

    Sergey Lavrov (after Vladimir Makei):

    I would like to support this statement. Maybe the Austrian Chancellor was guided by the best intentions when he urged his colleagues not to talk to Minsk in the language of sanctions alone and to start a dialogue, but this is not the way to initiate a dialogue.

    As Mr Makei noted, and with good reason, this initiative implied a feeling of superiority that has spread to all members of the Western community, be it the European Union, NATO or other sub-regional blocs. This superiority complex is unacceptable in relations between sovereign states. The EU should respect the opinions of all members of the international community in line with the UN Charter and abstain from interference in the internal affairs of any state.

    Question (to both ministers):


    Does Minsk need Russia’s mediation in developing a dialogue on migrants and sanctions with Warsaw, Vilnius and Brussels?

    Have the Lithuanian and Polish authorities officially or unofficially addressed Moscow and Minsk with a request to discuss the migration crisis?


    Sergey Lavrov (answers after Vladimir Makei):

    Neither Poles, nor Lithuanians, nor anyone else has asked us about possible mediation or participation in these talks. They don’t address anyone for any reason. They simply enjoy being tough when making loud statements like this, accusing Belarus and Russia (as the countries “behind these developments”). I believe this is an expression of what we just talked about – a feeling of one’s own superiority and impunity across the board. At this stage of the border situation,

    Belarus has repeatedly suggested holding consultations, coming to terms and resolving these issues in accordance with international humanitarian law, but this is not mentioned in public rhetoric at all. A proposal by President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko to start consultations immediately after the Ryanair incident was rejected as well. Nobody wanted to hear it.

    There is no other way but to talk and decide what has really happened with the facts in hand. But this is what our European partners are like. They should probably look at themselves first since there is a lot to see there.


    Question (for both ministers):


    Prime Minister of Poland Mateusz Morawiecki called Warsaw security forces on the border with Belarus “the first frontline.” A military expert also says the situation on the border is the gravest since 1939.

    How relevant are such parallels?


    If Poland is really waging war or preparing for one, then who is it fighting?
    Sergey Lavrov: I have already mentioned that the use of historical examples and historical parallels can be seen more often in the discourse of our Western colleagues now. At the same time, they always use what I would call “clipping tactics.”

    If Polish military experts say the situation reminds them of 1939, then why not 1938?

    Perhaps that year would also remind them of something, for example, like dividing Czechoslovakia?

    I believe such parallels are absolutely irrelevant. They reflect the shallow thinking of the people that voice them, especially if these people hold power.

    They only mean one thing: the most recent EU members continue to drive Europe, as part of the European Union and NATO, towards escalating confrontation with Belarus and Russia.

    I hope responsible Europeans, especially the “Euro grandees”, show some will and refuse to allow themselves to be dragged into a dangerous spiral."

    https://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy...ent/id/4932930

    Telephone conversation with Acting Federal Chancellor Angela Merkel

    Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with Acting Federal Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel.

    November 11, 2021

    "The leaders continued their discussion of the situation on the Belarusian borders with the European Union and confirmed the importance of settling the acute migration crisis as soon as possible in accordance with international humanitarian standards.

    Vladimir Putin supported the restoration of contacts between the EU states and Belarus with a view to resolving this problem.

    During an exchange of views on the domestic conflict in Ukraine, President Putin noted Kiev’s destructive policy, which is relying increasingly on force. Thus, it is using assault drones in violation of the Minsk Package of Measures. The destabilising and dangerous provocations by the armed forces of the United States and other NATO countries in the Black Sea was also noted."

    Telephone conversation with Acting Federal Chancellor Angela Merkel • President of Russia

    Poland violates international norms on Belarusian border — Russian diplomat

    The diplomat went on to say that Russia had many questions to European Union countries about the migrant crisis on the border between Belarus and Poland

    12 Nov, 06:54

    "Poland is violating international norms by its treatment of migrants on the border with Belarus, Russian First Deputy Permanent Representative to the UN Dmitry Polyansky said on Thursday. "There are lots of cases when Polish and Lithuanian border guards beat migrants and pushed them back to the Belarusian territory. I would say that this is total shame and total violation of all possible international conventions and rules," he told reporters in the run-up to a UN Security Council meeting on the issue.

    The diplomat went on to say that Russia had many questions to European Union countries about the migrant crisis on the border between Belarus and Poland, and would certainly ask them.

    At the same time, Polyansky added that after a readmission treaty with the EU was suspended, "there are no reasons to send them [migrants] back to the countries where they came from." "That would be a total violation of any international conventions," he said.
    In his words, Russia and Belarus are not helping migrants to get to the border with Poland in any way.

    "No, absolutely not," he said, answering to a reporter’s question.

    The diplomat went on to say that he disagreed with Western nations’ attempts to portray the migrant crisis as artificially created.

    "You will find it when you will speak to the refugees. I saw several reports, for example, by the German TV. The German television reported from a place where people who managed to get from Poland to Germany are placed now. And they are telling their stories, they are telling <…> that it was absolutely their decision, nobody pushed them, and they have legal reasons, because Belarus does not have a visa regime with some countries," he said.

    The migrant crisis on Belarus’ border with Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland, which has been growing since the start of the year, exploded on November 8, when several thousand people amassed on the Belarusian side of the border fence with Poland, refusing to leave the area. Some EU countries accused Minsk of deliberately exacerbating the crisis, calling for sanctions against the Belarusian government. The country’s president Alexander Lukashenko blamed the predicament on Western countries, since it had been precisely their actions that had forced these people to flee their war-ravaged homelands."

    https://tass.com/world/1360405

    Meanwhile, unexceptional countries jump for sanctions, as usual:


    US, UK, EU ready to discuss new sanctions against Minsk — statement

    The countries claim that Minsk’s goal is "destabilizing neighbouring countries and the European Union’s external border and diverting attention away from its own increasing human rights violations"

    12 Nov, 10:37

    "The United States, the United Kingdom and European Union states members of the UN Security Council are ready to discuss imposing sanctions on the Belarusian government and on those whom they blame for fuelling the migrant crisis on the border with Poland. "Together, we express our solidarity with Poland and Lithuania and stand ready to discuss further measures that we can take to support them and target those involved in and contributing to activities by the Lukashenko regime that facilitate the illegal crossing of the external borders of the European Union," the countries said in a joint statement, published after closed UN Security Council consultations on the issue.

    The countries vowed to remain united and determined in protecting the EU "against these hybrid operations by Belarusian authorities."

    They also urged the countries of migrants’ origin and transit to warn their nationals "against falling into the trap set by the Belarusian·authorities."

    Western countries also called upon Minsk to ensure due protection and help for the migrants.

    "We stress that all actions must be guided by fundamental values, especially regarding the protection of migrants’ human rights," the joint statement says.

    Threat to security

    The United States, the United Kingdom and EU states members of the UN Security Council believe that the government of Belarus poses a threat to regional security and call for measures against it. Their joint statement says Minsk’s ‘tactic’ as "unacceptable," adding that it "calls for a strong international reaction and cooperation in order to hold Belarus accountable."

    "It demonstrates how the Lukashenko regime has become a threat to regional stability," the document says.

    The countries claim that Minsk’s goal is "destabilizing neighbouring countries and the European Union’s external border and diverting attention away from its own increasing human rights violations."

    The migrant crisis on the Belarusian border with Latvia, Lithuania and Poland where the migrants have been flocking since the beginning of the year, sharply aggravated on November 8. Several thousand people approached the Polish border from Belarus and refused to leave the area. Some of them attempted to enter Poland by destroying a barbed-wire fence. EU countries have accused Minsk of the intentional escalation of the crisis and have called for sanctions. Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko stated that the Western countries themselves were to blame for the situation since people were fleeing the war in their homelands because of the West’s actions."

    https://tass.com/world/1360425






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    Well well well, just as we were discussing earlier how you cannot become energy dependent on these loathsome, murderous dictators, one of them proves exactly why.

    Let's home the message gets to the right ears and some long term gas contracts with non-scumbag suppliers can be organised.


    Belarus has threatened to cut off its transit of gas supply to Europe if the EU imposes sanctions over a migrant crisis at its western border.

    The bloc has accused Russian-backed President Alexander Lukashenko of weaponizing the thousands of people currently gathered in freezing camps at the border with Poland to undermine EU security and distract from domestic political pressures, an allegation Belarus denies.

    With the EU reportedly preparing a fresh round of sanctions, Lukashenko said in an emergency cabinet meeting on Thursday that the country could cut off deliveries along the Yamal-Europe pipeline from Russia, mounting further pressure on European leaders as the continent remains afflicted by the international energy crisis.

    “We heat Europe, and they are still threatening us that they’ll shut the borders,” the strongman leader, who has been in power since 1994, reportedly told cabinet ministers.


    And what if we cut off [the transit of] natural gas to them? So I would recommend that the leadership of Poland, Lithuanian and other brainless people to think before they speak.”

    Natural gas prices spiked by almost 7%
    on Thursday following Lukashenko’s comments.

    Belarus threatens to choke off EU gas supply over border dispute

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    just as we were discussing earlier how you cannot become energy dependent on these loathsome, murderous dictators, one of them proves exactly why.
    it would serve the eu right if that nutter turned of the taps.

    2 weeks ago macron threatened to cut off energy supplies to jersey over french fishing boat licensing, but brussels never said a word about it and were perfectly happy to allow it.

    the eu dont like it up 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    it would serve the eu right if that nutter turned of the taps.

    2 weeks ago macron threatened to cut off energy supplies to jersey over french fishing boat licensing, but brussels never said a word about it and were perfectly happy to allow it.

    the eu dont like it up 'em.
    Nobody worries about the cheese eating surrender monkeys. They are bunch of pussies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Best
    Bless . . . now go away, little man.



    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Nobody worries about the cheese eating surrender monkeys. They are bunch of pussies.
    Yet you are constantly whining about them . . .

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    Well we are no longer part of the EU and its currently an EU issue not yet a NATO one, so they are just observers really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    Well we are no longer part of the EU and its currently an EU issue not yet a NATO one, so they are just observers really.
    Interesting observation, quite correct, and this opens an interesting question as to when does a a UK issue or an EU issue become a NATO issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    Well we are no longer part of the EU and its currently an EU issue not yet a NATO one, so they are just observers really.
    Indeed they are BUT when questioned, a majority of the 'refugees' said that their final destination was the UK.

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