Page 5 of 7 FirstFirst 1234567 LastLast
Results 101 to 125 of 168
  1. #101
    In Uranus
    bsnub's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    30,429
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    One wonders if you have a source, just to substantiate your opinion.
    Maybe you should scroll back and find the one I already posted.

  2. #102
    Thailand Expat OhOh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Online
    Yesterday @ 08:43 PM
    Location
    Where troubles melt like lemon drops
    Posts
    25,222
    ^ so that's a no.

  3. #103
    Hangin' Around cyrille's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Home
    Posts
    33,534
    Will you ever lose your tendency to keep falling flat on your face, do you think?

  4. #104
    In Uranus
    bsnub's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    30,429
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    so that's a no.
    Not only are you lazy, but you are a lazy moron.

  5. #105
    Thailand Expat
    panama hat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Last Online
    21-10-2023 @ 08:08 AM
    Location
    Way, Way South of the border now - thank God!
    Posts
    32,680
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Now all you've got to do is persuade fascist Poland to fulfil it's EU obligations, and accept the refs at the border into resettlement camps. Good luck!
    Why do you make up your own 'facts'? Do try harder.

  6. #106
    Thailand Expat
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    38,456
    ^ Y'know, sometimes better to stay quiet and let them think you a fool, than put it in writing and prove it-


    [QUOTE]
    The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) has said Poland is in breach of international law in forcing migrants back into Belarus instead of allowing them to claim asylum. EU law clearly forbids the practice of sending away asylum seekers without assessing their claim for protection.[/QUOTE]


    Situation on Belarus-Poland border compared with genocide against refugees


    Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic broke EU law by failing to accept refugees, rules ECJ | Euronews

  7. #107
    Thailand Expat
    panama hat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Last Online
    21-10-2023 @ 08:08 AM
    Location
    Way, Way South of the border now - thank God!
    Posts
    32,680
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    ^ Y'know, sometimes better to stay quiet and let them think you a fool, than put it in writing and prove it-
    Is this a lesson you apply to yourself, sabang? Read again what it says and how this is applied to third-country entry

  8. #108
    Thailand Expat
    Bonecollector's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2021
    Last Online
    Today @ 04:41 AM
    Location
    Thailand
    Posts
    2,158
    'To avoid abuses, European law, the Dublin Regulation, requires that asylum seekers have their asylum claim registered in the first country they arrive in, and that the decision of the first EU country they apply in is the final decision in all EU countries.'

    Cough cough

  9. #109
    Thailand Expat
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    38,456
    Yes, polite cough.

    "I have just flown out of Iran which is receiving up to 5,000 Afghans a day," noted Jan Egeland, secretary general of the NRC. "A few thousand people at Europe's Polish border, many of whom have fled some of the worst crises in the world, is a drop in the ocean compared to the number of people displaced to countries that are much poorer elsewhere."

    "The way Belarus is using migrants and refugees to achieve political ends is equally outrageous," Egeland continued. "Vulnerable people are not chess pawns to be used in a geopolitical struggle. But this does not in any way free Europe from its responsibility to ensure that people turning up on our borders are allowed to seek asylum and are treated humanely... European values are dangerously under threat when people are allowed to die from hypothermia at its external border."
    Human Rights Advocates Condemn 'Intolerable' Abuse of Refugees Trapped at Poland-Belarus Border


    The amount of II's arriving from central America to USA dwarfs European numbers. The amount of refugees in Italy and Greece dwarf the paltry numbers at the Polish border. The amount of refugees Iran is taking daily dwarfs this little spat between Poland and Belarus. And France does nothing to stop the daily flow of II's to the UK- and the UK is not even sanctioning it! But all we are reading about in MSM is nawty Belarus, with very little heat on fascist Poland and it's human rights violations, and flagrant breaking of EU and UN law. Really EU?

  10. #110
    Thailand Expat
    Bonecollector's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2021
    Last Online
    Today @ 04:41 AM
    Location
    Thailand
    Posts
    2,158
    I'd rather put them all on a plane back to where they came from, than allow one terrorist in who goes on to kill innocent civilians. I get that these people have been through some horrendous experiences and our governments are to blame for all of it. However, there is a proper way to apply for asylum which keeps everyone safe and that system makes sure the most needy and authentic applicants are able to emigrate. Allowing this to go on just fills up vacancies, time and money which should have gone to proper asylum seekers who truly do need our help.

  11. #111
    In Uranus
    bsnub's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    30,429
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    The amount of II's arriving from central America to USA dwarfs European numbers.
    Poland sends troops to Belarus border-thumb_the-whataboutism-strong-him-imgflip-com

  12. #112
    Thailand Expat
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    38,456
    Indeed- so Whatabout fascist Poland, kicking up such a big fuss when they've got a fraction of the problem of other countries, including several poorer countries? Grow up, and be a member of the EU (or better still- EU kick these fascists out).

  13. #113
    Thailand Expat OhOh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Online
    Yesterday @ 08:43 PM
    Location
    Where troubles melt like lemon drops
    Posts
    25,222
    Quote Originally Posted by Bonecollector View Post
    'To avoid abuses, European law, the Dublin Regulation, requires that asylum seekers have their asylum claim registered in the first country they arrive in, and that the decision of the first EU country they apply in is the final decision in all EU countries.'

    Cough cough
    Try reading and understanding your quoted law, prior to illustrating your bigotry to all here on TD.

    Dublin Regulation

    "The Dublin Regulation (Regulation No. 604/2013; sometimes the Dublin III Regulation; previously the Dublin II Regulation and Dublin Convention) is a European Union (EU) law that determines which EU Member State is responsible for the examination of an application for asylum, submitted by persons seeking international protection under the Geneva Convention and the EU Qualification Directive, within the European Union. It is the cornerstone of the Dublin System, which consists of the Dublin Regulation and the EURODAC Regulation, which establishes a Europe-wide fingerprinting database for unauthorised entrants to the EU. The Dublin Regulation aims to "determine rapidly the Member State responsible [for an asylum claim]"[1] and provides for the transfer of an asylum seeker to that Member State."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Regulation


    A list of the EU countries that the European Union law apply too:

    "The EU countries are: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain and Sweden."

    The European country, Belarus, does not appear in the official list, and thus it can be concluded by reasonable TD members, not to be an EU country.

    Thus, the law has no bearing on Belarus.

    Last edited by OhOh; 18-11-2021 at 11:01 AM.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

  14. #114
    Thailand Expat
    panama hat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Last Online
    21-10-2023 @ 08:08 AM
    Location
    Way, Way South of the border now - thank God!
    Posts
    32,680
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Belarus appears not to be an EU country.
    Comprehension not a big thing with you, is it

  15. #115
    Thailand Expat
    Bonecollector's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2021
    Last Online
    Today @ 04:41 AM
    Location
    Thailand
    Posts
    2,158
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    bigotry
    Quote Originally Posted by Bonecollector View Post
    However, there is a proper way to apply for asylum which keeps everyone safe and that system makes sure the most needy and authentic applicants are able to emigrate. Allowing this to go on just fills up vacancies, time and money which should have gone to proper asylum seekers who truly do need our help.
    I will explain it to you as if you were a child because you obviously can't understand an adult sentence. So I am basically saying, I am for asylum seekers who are genuine and not for asylum seekers who aren't. The one's who are not genuine take up the places of genuine asylum seekers and therefore some may be persecuted unnecessarily because of the extended time they have had to wait in their country of origin.

    Maybe you should look up the word 'bigot' before making the massive leap to lawyer and lecturing others on the definition of a law. Did you even know about this law before today?

    The refugees aren't in Poland yet so it is not their responsibility.

  16. #116
    Thailand Expat harrybarracuda's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    96,555
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    ^ Y'know, sometimes better to stay quiet and let them think you a fool, than put it in writing and prove it-



    The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) has said Poland is in breach of international law in forcing migrants back into Belarus instead of allowing them to claim asylum. EU law clearly forbids the practice of sending away asylum seekers without assessing their claim for protection.[/QUOTE]


    Situation on Belarus-Poland border compared with genocide against refugees


    Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic broke EU law by failing to accept refugees, rules ECJ | Euronews
    I would say they're perfectly safe in Belarus given that they were invited, so any asylum requests can be instantly rejected.

  17. #117
    Thailand Expat
    Bonecollector's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2021
    Last Online
    Today @ 04:41 AM
    Location
    Thailand
    Posts
    2,158
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I would say they're perfectly safe in Belarus given that they were invited, so any asylum requests can be instantly rejected.
    Good point

  18. #118
    Thailand Expat OhOh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Online
    Yesterday @ 08:43 PM
    Location
    Where troubles melt like lemon drops
    Posts
    25,222
    Quote Originally Posted by Bonecollector View Post
    Did you even know about this law before today
    The law has been around for years, 2013 IIRC. The EU continues to fund concentration camps in Turkey to this day.

    A NATO created problem, ME illegal wars, the NATO countries failed to anticipate.

    Similarly, further east, Afghanistan and south, Libya, Africa, South America and Central Europe.

    NATO/SS SS.

    SOP, "Smash, Splatter, Starve, Skedaddle and Slur".

    "Bigot".

    "a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonecollector View Post
    The one's who are not genuine take up the places of genuine asylum seekers
    Who are you to decide who is genuine and who is fake? What evidence would satisfy you.

    None on the boarder, I suggest, have been interviewed by an EU competent adult official, so far.


  19. #119
    Thailand Expat harrybarracuda's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    96,555
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Who are you to decide who is genuine and who is fake? What evidence would satisfy you.
    Well hoohoo, since Lukashenko invited them to Belarus, and they took him up on his offer, that would suggest they wanted to be there.

    And if they don't, the appropriate response would be for him to apologise for wasting their time and fly them all back home again.

  20. #120
    Thailand Expat OhOh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Online
    Yesterday @ 08:43 PM
    Location
    Where troubles melt like lemon drops
    Posts
    25,222
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    since Lukashenko invited them to Belarus
    Do you have a copy of his invitation to the 1,000's at the border?

    To share with us, just to substantiate your opinion.

    You may wish to review this, or you may have more up-to-date info to share:

    EU and Belarus Sign Visa Facilitation and Readmission Agreements


    05/07/2021

    "After years of negotiation, representatives of the Republic of Belarus and of the European Union signed agreements to facilitate Schengen visa procedures and readmit individuals staying on either side without authorization.

    The documents were signed in a ceremony that took place in Brussels, Belgium, by the following delegates of Belarus and the European Union:


    • Vladimir Makei, Belarusian Minister of Foreign Affairs



    • Davor Bozinovic, Croatian Internal Affairs Minister and Deputy Prime Minister



    • Ylva Johansson, European Commissioner for Home Affairs


    As per Bozinovic’s declarations during the ceremony, visa statistics point to strong ties between Belarus and the EU. According to Bozinovic’s statement, almost 700,000 Belarusian citizens applied for a Schengen visa in 2018 alone, most of which were multiple-entry visas.

    "Belarus is a country with a high number of issued Schengen visas and a low percentage of denials," Bozinovic added.

    After the agreements were signed, the Belarusian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Vladimir Makei met with Helga Schmid, Secretary-General of the European External Action Service and Johannes Hahn, European Commissioner for Budget and Administration, to discuss aspects of the bilateral cooperation within the framework of the Eastern Partnership Initiative.

    Belarus-EU Visa Facilitation and Readmission Key Aspects

    The agreement signed by the EU and Belarus in January 2020 aims for mutual facilitation of visa procedures as well as the reduction of visa fees for Belarusians.

    As per the agreement signed, Belarusian passport holders will have the opportunity to apply for visas at embassies and visa centers of European Union nations.

    Once the readmission agreement comes into effect, Belarus and the European Union will have to readmit the following individuals who do not meet the requirements to legally stay within each other's territory:


    • Their own citizens




    • Third-country citizens




    • Stateless persons



    The Republic of Belarus will be conceded a two-year period to transition in regard to the readmission of third-country citizens. The common declaration attached to the readmission arrangement requires the European Union to lend both technical and financial support to Belarus in this field."

    EU and Belarus Sign Visa Facilitation and Readmission Agreements
    Also this:

    Travel visas for Belarus

    "In addition to that, Belarus offers several visa-free travel programs with varying duration and terms of stay. Thus, travelers who would normally need a visa to come to Belarus, can visit the country under a simplified procedure.

    Travelers may opt for one of them:


    • to 30 days

      No visas are required provided travelers cross the Belarusian border via Minsk National Airport, "Airport Brest", "Airport Gomel", "Airport Grodno", "Airport Mogilev", "Airport Vitebsk". The given order of visa-free movement through the airports does not extend to persons coming to Belarus by plane from the Russian Federation.


    • to 15 days

      No visas are required to visit visa-free tourist zone (including the country's large cities of Grodno and Brest) provided travelers have a special document issued by a certified travel agency in their home country."

      https://www.belarus.by/en/travel/travel-visas




    Last edited by OhOh; 18-11-2021 at 06:15 PM.

  21. #121
    In Uranus
    bsnub's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    30,429
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Do you have a copy of his invitation to the 1,000's at the border?
    I already posted an article by the NYT where they travelled to Iraq right to the root of the migrants. They even shot a video, you grovelling commie fuckwit.

  22. #122
    Thailand Expat OhOh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Online
    Yesterday @ 08:43 PM
    Location
    Where troubles melt like lemon drops
    Posts
    25,222
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    I already posted an article
    Links are useful. If you can focus through your drunken mist.

  23. #123
    Thailand Expat harrybarracuda's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    96,555
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Do you have a copy of his invitation to the 1,000's at the border?
    Perhaps you should read other peoples' posts in this thread rather than just posting your fucking nonsense and then awkwardly trying to pat yourself on the back.

    Anyway, the chancers are all going back home, which is good.

    They aren't asylum seekers anyway.

    BAGHDAD, Nov 18 (Reuters) - Hundreds of Iraqis who have camped for weeks at Belarus' borders with the EU checked in for a flight back to Iraq on Thursday, the Iraqi foreign ministry said.
    Iraqis check in for flight home after failing to enter EU from Belarus | Reuters
    The next post may be brought to you by my little bitch Spamdreth

  24. #124
    In Uranus
    bsnub's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    30,429
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Links are useful.
    You are a lazy clown. The link and article is already posted in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    If you can focus through your drunken mist.
    Poland sends troops to Belarus border-giphy-gif

  25. #125
    Thailand Expat
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    38,456
    The EU response has been surprisingly united, and basically I think this whole thing has backfired on the Lukashenko regime- who are definitely complicit in providing a corridor for undocumented migration to the EU. Assuming the pipeline has stopped- namely the flights that facilitated this thing- then what remains are the pawns in no mans land, stuck between two pretty arsehole regimes. I wonder what arrangements will end up being made for them?


    The EU attitude to illegal migration has definitely hardened. Fortress Europe now. Can't say as I blame them- given the experiences of the current century.

Page 5 of 7 FirstFirst 1234567 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •