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    Do you think Belarus caused this 'crisis' PH?

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    To be honest, I don't know, sabang.
    As a refugee my first, nor second nor third choice etc... would be Belarus, and refugees do have a 'choice' of sorts to get to a semi-pleasant place. Is Belarus using this to place pressure o the EU? Yes, I do. The EU has a moral compass when it comes to human rights and refugees . . . Belarus doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Do you think Belarus caused this 'crisis' PH?
    Yes, when he fixed an election and started arresting, beating and jailing the opposition.

    Then forced down an airliner to arrest someone he didn't like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Do you think Belarus caused this 'crisis' PH?
    No! Putin the scumbag! Without his support Luka would be 1,8 meters below the ground.


    The Russian Air Force has sent nuclear-capable jets to Belarus in recent days: On Wednesday, two tu-22M3 long-range bombers patrolled Russia's neighboring country. On Thursday, a maneuver of two Tu-160 bombers, which are also capable of nuclear weapons, took place at the Rusany military training area, about 60 kilometers east of the Polish border.
    is that russian popcorn you are eating?

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    Do you think Locoshenka will escalate the crisis and let in russian troops?
    You know....like they invaded the Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Do you think Locoshenka will escalate the crisis and let in russian troops?
    You know....like they invaded the Ukraine
    Well he controls the country so he can do what he likes.

    But it seems Vlad is very unhappy with his threats to cut off gas supplies to Yoorp, after Vlad spent all last week lying about how he'd never do that.


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    Vlad has probably already told the balmy belarussian it aint gonna happen. Thats a nice little earner for him and his mates. He's not going to let his fellow dictator cock that up.

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    In the meantime, several thousand people of ME origin sit around their campfires freezing their asses.
    The weather is getting a lot colder and they are becoming more desperate by the day. Something has to give...I wonder who will blink first.

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    Not like Russia to rub it in now-


    West bears blame for migrants flocking to Belarusian-Polish border — Russian FM


    There are many examples, the spokeswoman said. "The destruction of the Iraqi statehood, which happened due to the actions of the US administration and allied states, caused tectonic shifts in the region. The West-sponsored ‘’Arab spring,’’ the NATO campaign against Libya, the interference of the collective West in the affairs of Syria and the support of international terrorism there and, most importantly, the emergence of ISIS (the former name of the IS terrorist group, which is banned in Russia) on the ruins of the Iraqi state - all that has led to a mass exodus of refugees and migrants from that part of the world to Europe. And of course, the information campaigns that are founded on the humiliation of traditions and values of some peoples and cultures in favor of others," Zakharova said.


    "I will repeat what Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has just said. The responsibility for the resolution of the migration crisis at the Polish-Belarusian border is born by the West, which provoked it by its actions in the Middle East. And it must be fully resolved in compliance with international humanitarian law,’’ the diplomat said.

    The spokeswoman also called on her Polish colleague, instead of lecturing about tensions on the European continent, to deal with ‘’protecting the rights of journalists that are pushed out of border outposts by Polish forces who use aggressive physical censorship including the blocking of mobile and internet connection and sound and flash effects.

    https://tass.com/world/1359283





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    But just a tad overblown, really-


    .... Let us put things in perspective. Even with Lukashenko’s help, migratory movement on the Polish-Belarusian border is small. Until the end of October there were around 6,500 illegal border crossings to the EU via Eastern land borders, while more than 150,000 crossed through southern European borders in the same period. In comparison, U.S. border patrol registered more than 1.5 million encounters on the border with Mexico this fiscal year.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/belarus-poland-border-panic-shows-west-falling-for-alexander-lukashenkos-twisted-migrant-trap

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    So your usual propaganda drivel and a whataboutism. Sigh.

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    Lukashenko: Invites refugees in and gives them a free pass to the Polish border.

    Also Lukashenko: "It's the West's fault!".

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    Migrants Say Belarusians Took Them to E.U. Border and Supplied Wire Cutters

    The sudden surge of migrants to Belarus from the Middle East that is now the focus of a political crisis in Europe was hardly an accident.The government of Belarus loosened its visa rules in August, Iraqi travel agents said, making a flight to the country a more palatable journey to Europe than the dangerous sea crossing from Turkey to Greece.

    It increased flights by the state-owned airline, and then actively helped funnel migrants from the capital, Minsk, to the frontiers with Poland, Latvia and Lithuania.

    And Belarusian security forces gave them directions on how to cross into the European Union countries, even handing out wire cutters and axes to cut through border fences.

    These moves, which European leaders have characterized as a cynical ploy to “weaponize” migrants in an effort to punish Europe, opened the gates to people desperate to flee a region plagued by instability and high unemployment.

    Now, thousands of people are stranded or hiding along the border in freezing conditions, not wanted by the European Union countries or, circumstances are making clear, by the country that lured them there in the first place.

    The human tide has turned cities like Sulaimaniya, in the Kurdistan region of Iraq, into bustling ports of departure for migrants eager to take an expensive and risky journey for the chance of a better life in Europe.

    As word went viral on social media that Belarus offered a route into Europe, the number of migrants snowballed.

    Mala Rawaz, a travel agent in Sulaimaniya, said he had been selling about 100 packages a week for trips to Belarus. The packages included airfare through a third country, transit accommodation and a Belarusian visa.
    At the city’s bazaar, Bryar Muhammad, 25, was doing a brisk business on Thursday selling warm clothes.

    “Good clothes for Belarus!” he shouted, holding up thick acrylic sweaters and winter jackets pulled from a cardboard box. “For the snow of Belarus!”

    Even as young families in Iraq were putting up their homes as collateral to raise money for the journey, evidence mounted that Belarus’s autocratic leader, Aleksandr G. Lukashenko, was orchestrating the migration to manufacture a crisis for the European Union.

    The Belarusian state-owned airline, Belavia, had increased flights from the Middle East to Minsk, European officials said. The Belarusian authorities eased the issuance of visas through the state-owned travel agency Tsentrkurort, according to the Lithuanian Foreign Ministry.

    Migrants who reached Minsk were put up in at least three government-owned hotels, according to Latvia’s defense minister, Artis Pabriks, and Franak Viacorka, a senior adviser to a Belarusian opposition leader, Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya.

    Mr. Pabriks said that Belarusian intelligence agents had been involved in transferring migrants to the borders, and that military buses were used.

    Several Iraqi migrants said that the Belarusian security forces provided them with tools to break through the Polish border fence.

    Bayar Awat, an Iraqi Kurd stranded on the Belarusian side of the Polish border, said that Belarusian guards had helped his group reach the border by pointing out a route that bypassed the official border crossing and emerged near a gap cut in the border fence.

    “The Belarus police guided us to the forest, then pointed directions to lead us inside the forest to keep us away from the official border crossing,” he said.

    On Thursday, a Belarusian soldier was overheard on the phone ordering an Iraqi Kurd to direct a group of 400 to 500 migrants from the Lithuanian border toward the Polish border.

    “All the people who move here go to Brest,” the soldier told him in broken English, referring to the Belarusian city on the Polish border, because there were too many migrants on the Lithuanian border.

    When some migrants have tried to leave the frigid forest to return to Minsk, many have been pushed back by Belarusian guards, leaving the migrants stuck at the border, they said.

    European officials say that these measures are part of Mr. Lukashenko’s effort to retaliate against the European Union for imposing sanctions after he claimed victory in a disputed 2020 election.

    “Lukashenko’s rhetoric, the visa policy and the sudden influx of migrants this summer all point to the involvement of the Belarusian state and travel agencies,” said Gustav Gressel, a Berlin-based senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations.

    On Friday, in an effort to stem the crisis, several airlines took steps to limit the number of people flying to Belarus from the Middle East. Travel agents in Iraq said that Turkey and Iran had begun canceling tickets to Minsk for Iraqi, Syrian and Yemeni passengers on Thursday, and that the government had stopped travel agents from selling even transit tickets to Belarus earlier in the week.

    But that mattered little to desperate Iraqis, who were already finding alternate routes through Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

    “I have heard that the situation is not good in Belarus, but I have to go because there is no life here, no job opportunities, no human rights, no equality and justice, no joy at all,” said Amer Karwan, a carpenter who went with three friends to a travel agency in Sulaimaniya on Thursday to pick up tickets they hoped would get them to Belarus.

    Mr. Karwan, who turned 20 on Thursday, had borrowed $3,500 from a relative for the trip. He said the group was undeterred by the travel agent’s warning that the tickets through Iran and Turkey were nonrefundable and that there was no guarantee they would make it to Belarus.

    Ironically, the biggest source of migrants, the semiautonomous Kurdistan region of Iraq, is considered the most stable and secure region of the country.

    Unlike many of their parents who became refugees during Saddam Hussein’s era, this time the Iraqi Kurds are not fleeing war or genocide. They are seeking a future that even the country’s relative peace has not provided them.

    Despite Iraqi Kurdistan’s outward prosperity, young people especially despair over the lack of jobs, and over the corruption, repression and tribal conflicts that often override the legal system.
    They are taking out loans and borrowing from family members to make the trip.

    The crisis has raised the price of visas to Belarus, which used to cost about $90 and now cost about $1,200. Most migrants said they were paying about $3,000 for packages including the visa, airfare and a few days’ accommodation.

    Many migrants also leave thousands of dollars on deposit with currency transfer shops to send to smugglers who promise to get them to the border. Several said the smuggling fee was about $3,000. But often, the migrants said, the smugglers do nothing more than point out which direction to walk through the dense forest.

    That is to say nothing of the emotional costs a migrant faces leaving home and family behind.

    On Friday, Mr. Karwan, dressed in a new olive-green winter jacket and gloves, left home to take a taxi to the airport in Erbil, four hours away.

    Seeing him off in Sulaimaniya, Mr. Karwan’s mother and two sisters stood at the gate sobbing. His father thrust Iraqi dinars into his hand and waited until the taxi door closed before wiping away tears.

    “I feel terrible,” said his mother, Bayan Omar. “He is my only son. If I stop him from leaving, what would he do? He tells me, ‘Can you guarantee me a house, a car, a life, the chance to get married?’ I cannot stop him.”

    Later that day, Mr. Karwan’s flights through Tehran and Istanbul were canceled. He was waiting in Erbil to be rebooked through Dubai.

    For those who have already made it to Belarus, the situation is grim. At the border with Lithuania, several thousand migrants were pushed up against razor-wire fences, prevented from moving forward or going back.

    Young men and families with small children who had walked for days through the deep forest were huddled around makeshift camps, burning wood to try to keep warm, according to videos sent by the migrants. Some had small pop-up tents, others buried themselves in sleeping bags on the freezing ground.

    On Saturday, Polish authorities accused Belarusian soldiers of destroying part of a border fence near the village of Czeremcha and of trying to distract Polish frontier guards with laser beams and strobe lights, so as to help migrants cross into the European Union. The Polish account of events, however, could not be confirmed because the government in Warsaw has barred all nonresidents, including journalists and doctors, from entering the border area.

    At least nine migrants have died in Poland over the past two weeks, most from exposure, according to Polish officials. Belarus has not said how many have died on its side of the frontier. Polish media reported on Thursday that a 14-year-old Iraqi boy had frozen to death near the border in Belarus.

    “We have food and water but not enough,” said one Iraqi Kurd, who asked to be called by his nickname, Bahadino. He sent videos showing pregnant women and small children, some of them disabled.

    He also sent a video of himself and a small group of migrants politely holding a cardboard sign reading, “Poland — Sorry.”

    “Today we apologized to the European Union and to Poland,” he said. “You know because we came to the border and we broke the fence at the border. We apologize for that.”
    But he had no apologies about trying to get into Europe. He said he had no plans to return to Iraq.

    Migrants Say Belarusians Took Them to E.U. Border and Supplied Wire Cutters - The New York Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Migrants Say Belarusians Took Them to E.U. Border and Supplied Wire Cutters
    That's not going to sit well with sabang's whatbaoutism

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    Sadly, I do not know how we can trust any asylum seeker when you weigh it against the life of a British citizen or expat/ tourist. If Priti Patel had the sort of balls she claims to have, she would round up everyone on our books and back to the middle east you go.

    Liverpool Women'''s Hospital explosion: Man killed named as Emad Al Swealmeen - BBC News

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    The Labour Shadow Health Secretary offered his condolences to the bombers parents .....

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    Well, that's the Daily Mail headline . . . . . . the guy thought it was a member of the public, not the bomber . . . but it does make good Daily Mail reading, though

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    You mean the Secretary made the comment before he knew the deceased was the bomber?

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    That's what even the Daily Mail suggests in the body of the article.

    'Absolutely shocking that that would happen anywhere, but particularly outside a women's maternity hospital,' he told the broadcaster. 'Obviously we pay our respects and send our condolences to the family of the man who lost his life. I just want to thank the emergency services for the way they responded.' Amid uproar on social media this afternoon, the MP for Leicester South apologised on Twitter, insisting he had 'misread the news ticker' and had 'thought a member of the public had now died'.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10204573/Labour-frontbencher-apologises-sending-condolences-Liverpool-suicide-bombers-family.html

    One would hope no politician would be dumb enough to do that, irrespective of their political leanings . . . Nothing anywhere else

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    Not sure why you are fixated with the comic, it was on a few channels. Labour do have history as terrorist sympathisers.

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    Anyway, back to WWIII and the Balkans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    Not sure why you are fixated with the comic
    I'm not sure what you're saying about being 'fixated with the comic', sorry . . . and as for 'channels', I was looking at papers.

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    Well that quick thinking, quick acting cabbie is a national hero.

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    Another thread derailed and dragged off-topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonecollector View Post
    Sadly, I do not know how we can trust any asylum seeker when you weigh it against the life of a British citizen or expat/ tourist. If Priti Patel had the sort of balls she claims to have, she would round up everyone on our books and back to the middle east you go.

    Liverpool Women'''s Hospital explosion: Man killed named as Emad Al Swealmeen - BBC News

    Yes, you can't trust those radical, extremist..... Christians.


    Oh.


    It comes after police named Emad Al Swealmeen as the man who died when a homemade device blew up in the back of a taxi shortly before 11.00 GMT.


    It is understood the 32-year-old suspect was an asylum seeker who converted to Christianity in 2017.


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