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    Chinese detective in exile reveals extent of torture against Uyghurs

    'Some are just psychopaths'

    The raids started after midnight in Xinjiang.Hundreds of police officers armed with rifles went house to house in Uyghur communities in the far western region of China, pulling people from their homes, handcuffing and hooding them, and threatening to shoot them if they resisted, a former Chinese police detective tells CNN.

    "We took (them) all forcibly overnight," he said. "If there were hundreds of people in one county in this area, then you had to arrest these hundreds of people."

    The ex-detective turned whistleblower asked to be identified only as Jiang, to protect his family members who remain in China.

    In a three-hour interview with CNN, conducted in Europe where he is now in exile, Jiang revealed rare details on what he described as a systematic campaign of torture against ethnic Uyghurs in the region's detention camp system, claims China has denied for years.

    "Kick them, beat them (until they're) bruised and swollen," Jiang said, recalling how he and his colleagues used to interrogate detainees in police detention centers. "Until they kneel on the floor crying."

    During his time in Xinjiang, Jiang said every new detainee was beaten during the interrogation process -- including men, women and children as young as 14.

    The methods included shackling people to a metal or wooden "tiger chair" -- chairs designed to immobilize suspects -- hanging people from the ceiling, sexual violence, electrocutions, and waterboarding. Inmates were often forced to stay awake for days, and denied food and water, he said.

    "Everyone uses different methods. Some even use a wrecking bar, or iron chains with locks," Jiang said. "Police would step on the suspect's face and tell him to confess."

    The suspects were accused of terror offenses, said Jiang, but he believes that "none" of the hundreds of prisoners he was involved in arresting had committed a crime. "They are ordinary people," he said.

    The torture in police detention centers only stopped when the suspects confessed, Jiang said. Then they were usually transferred to another facility, like a prison or an internment camp manned by prison guards.

    In order to help verify his testimony, Jiang showed CNN his police uniform, official documents, photographs, videos, and identification from his time in China, most of which can't be published to protect his identity. CNN has submitted detailed questions to the Chinese government about his accusations, so far without a response.

    CNN cannot independently confirm Jiang's claims, but multiple details of his recollections echo the experiences of two Uyghur victims CNN interviewed for this report. More than 50 former inmates of the camp system also provided testimony to Amnesty International for a 160-page report released in June, "'Like We Were Enemies in a War': China's Mass Internment, Torture, and Persecution of Muslims in Xinjiang."

    The US State Department estimates that up to 2 million Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities have been detained in internment camps in Xinjiang since 2017. China says the camps are vocational, aimed at combating terrorism and separatism, and has repeatedly denied accusations of human rights abuses in the region.

    "I want to reiterate that the so-called genocide in Xinjiang is nothing but a rumor backed by ulterior motives and an outright lie," said Zhao Lijian, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman, during a news conference in June.

    On Wednesday, officials from the Xinjiang government even introduced a man at a news conference they said was a former detainee, who denied there was torture in the camps, calling such allegations "utter lies." It was unclear if he was speaking under duress.

    'Everyone needs to hit a target'

    The first time Jiang was deployed to Xinjiang, he said he was eager to travel there to help defeat a terror threat he was told could threaten his country. After more than 10 years in the police force, he was also keen for a promotion.

    He said his boss had asked him to take the post, telling him that "separatist forces want to split the motherland. We must kill them all."

    Jiang said he was deployed "three or four" times from his usual post in mainland China to work in several areas of Xinjiang during the height of China's "Strike Hard" anti-terror campaign.

    Launched in 2014, the "Strike Hard" campaign promoted a mass detention program of the region's ethnic minorities, who could be sent to a prison or an internment camp for simply "wearing a veil," growing "a long beard," or having too many children.

    Jiang showed CNN one document with an official directive issued by Beijing in 2015, calling on other provinces of China to join the fight against terrorism in the country "to convey the spirit of General Secretary Xi Jinping's important instructions when listening to the report on counter-terrorism work."

    Jiang was told that 150,000 police assistants were recruited from provinces around mainland China under a scheme called "Aid Xinjiang," a program that encouraged mainland provinces to provide help to areas of Xinjiang, including public security resources. The temporary postings were financially rewarding -- Jiang said he received double his normal salary and other benefits during his deployment.

    But quickly, Jiang became disillusioned with his new job -- and the purpose of the crackdown.

    "I was surprised when I went for the first time," Jiang said. "There were security checks everywhere. Many restaurants and places are closed. Society was very intense."

    During the routine overnight operations, Jiang said they would be given lists of names of people to round up, as part of orders to meet official quotas on the numbers of Uyghurs to detain.

    "It's all planned, and it has a system," Jiang said. "Everyone needs to hit a target."

    If anyone resisted arrest, the police officers would "hold the gun against his head and say do not move. If you move, you will be killed."

    He said teams of police officers would also search people's houses and download the data from their computers and phones.

    Another tactic was to use the area's neighborhood committee to call the local population together for a meeting with the village chief, before detaining them en masse.

    Describing the time as a "combat period," Jiang said officials treated Xinjiang like a war zone, and police officers were told that Uyghurs were enemies of the state.

    He said it was common knowledge among police officers that 900,000 Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities were detained in the region in a single year.

    Jiang said if he had resisted the process, he would have been arrested, too.

    'Some are just psychopaths'

    Inside the police detention centers, the main goal was to extract a confession from detainees, with sexual torture being one of the tactics, Jiang said.

    "If you want people to confess, you use the electric baton with two sharp tips on top," Jiang said. "We would tie two electrical wires on the tips and set the wires on their genitals while the person is tied up."

    He admitted he often had to play "bad cop" during interrogations but said he avoided the worst of the violence, unlike some of his colleagues.

    "Some people see this as a job, some are just psychopaths," he said.

    One "very common measure" of torture and dehumanization was for guards to order prisoners to rape and abuse the new male inmates, Jiang said.

    Abduweli Ayup, a 48-year-old Uyghur scholar from Xinjiang, said he was detained on August 19, 2013, when police carrying rifles surrounded a kindergarten he had opened to teach young children their native language.

    On his first night in a police detention center in the city of Kashgar, Ayup says he was gang-raped by more than a dozen Chinese inmates, who had been directed to do this by "three or four" prison guards who also witnessed the assault.

    "The prison guards, they asked me to take off my underwear" before telling him to bend over, he said. "Don't do this, I cried. Please don't do this."

    He said he passed out during the attack and woke up surrounded by his own vomit and urine.

    "I saw the flies, just like flying around me," Ayup said. "I found that the flies are better than me. Because no one can torture them, and no one can rape them."

    "I saw that those guys (were) laughing at me, and (saying) he's so weak," he said. "I heard those words." He says the humiliation continued the next day, when the prison guards asked him, "Did you have a good time?"

    He said he was transferred from the police detention center to an internment camp, and was eventually released on November 20, 2014, after being forced to confess to a crime of "illegal fundraising."

    His time in detention came before the wider crackdown in the region, but it reflects some of the alleged tactics used to suppress the ethnic minority population which Uyghur people had complained about for years.

    CNN is awaiting response from the Chinese government about Ayup's testimony.

    Now living in Norway, Ayup is still teaching and also writing Uyghur language books for children, to try to keep his culture alive. But he says the trauma of his torture will stay with him forever.

    "It's the scar in my heart," he said. "I will never forget."

    'They hung us up and beat us'

    Omir Bekali, who now lives in the Netherlands, is also struggling with the long-term legacy of his experiences within the camp system.

    "The agony and the suffering we had (in the camp) will never vanish, will never leave our mind," Bekali, 45, told CNN.

    Bekali was born in Xinjiang to a Uyghur mother and a Kazakh father, and he moved to Kazakhstan where he got citizenship in 2006. During a business trip to Xinjiang, he said he was detained on March 26, 2017, then a week later he was interrogated and tortured for four days and nights in the basement of a police station in Karamay City.

    "They put me in a tiger chair," Bekali said. "They hung us up and beat us on the thigh, on the hips with wooden torches, with iron whips."

    He said police tried to force him to confess to supporting terrorism, and he spent the following eight months in a series of internment camps.

    "When they put the chains on my legs the first time, I understood immediately I am coming to hell," Bekali said. He said heavy chains were attached to prisoners' hands and feet, forcing them to stay bent over, even when they were sleeping.

    He said he lost around half his body weight during his time there, saying he "looked like a skeleton" when he emerged.

    "I survived from this psychological torture because I am a religious person," Bekali said. "I would never have survived this without my faith. My faith for life, my passion for freedom kept me alive."

    During his time in the camps, Bekali said two people that he knew died there. He also says his mother, sister and brother were interned in the camps, and he was told his father Bakri Ibrayim died while detained in Xinjiang on September 18, 2018.

    Xinjiang government officials responded to CNN's questions about Bekali during the Wednesday news conference, when they confirmed he had been detained for eight months on suspected terror offenses. But officials said his claims of torture and his family's detention were "total rumors and slander." His father died of liver cancer, they said, and his family is "currently leading a normal life."

    'I am guilty'

    From his new home in Europe, former detective Jiang struggles to sleep for more than a couple of hours at a time. The enduring suffering of those who went through the camp system plays on his mind; he feels like he's close to a breakdown.

    "I am now numb," Jiang said. "I used to arrest so many people."

    Former inmate Ayup also struggles to sleep at night, as he suffers with nightmares of his time in detention, and is unable to escape the constant feeling he is being watched. But he said he still forgives the prison guards who tortured him.

    "I don't hate (them)," Ayup said. "Because all of them, they're a victim of that system."

    "They sentence themselves there," he added. "They are criminals; they are a part of this criminal system."

    Jiang said even before his time in Xinjiang, he had become "disappointed" with the Chinese Communist Party due to increasing levels of corruption.

    "They were pretending to serve the people, but they were a bunch of people who wanted to achieve a dictatorship," he said. In fleeing China and exposing his experience there, he said he wanted to "stand on the side of the people."

    Now, Jiang knows he can never return to China -- "they'll beat me half to death," he said.

    "I'd be arrested. There would be a lot of problems. Defection, treason, leaking government secrets, subversion. (I'd get) them all," he said.

    "The fact that I speak for Uyghurs (means I) could be charged for participating in a terrorist group. I could be charged for everything imaginable."

    When asked what he would do if he came face-to-face with one of his former victims, he said he would be "scared" and would "leave immediately."

    "I am guilty, and I'd hope that a situation like this won't happen to them again," Jiang said. "I'd hope for their forgiveness, but it'd be too difficult for people who suffered from torture like that."

    "How do I face these people?" he added. "Even if you're just a soldier, you're still responsible for what happened. You need to execute orders, but so many people did this thing together. We're responsible for this."

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/04/china...dst/index.html

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    Don't worry folks....it never happened (despite all that detail), and Oh Oh will be along shortly to tell us all about how it could not have.

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    I wanna hear more about the live organ transplants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I wanna hear more about the live organ transplants.
    You mean the prisoners that generously donate their organs for the good of society?

    China forcefully harvests organs from detainees, tribunal concludes

    China's organ transplant trade is worth $1 billion a year, according to a tribunal. This story contains details some may find distressing.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I wanna hear more about the live organ transplants.
    I knew you would be among the first post. Furthermore, I am sure you didn't even read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    I knew you would be among the first post. Furthermore, I am sure you didn't even read it.

    Give him a minute. He has to go through the Mr. Shithole Guide to Good Chinky Arselicking to find out what should be an appropriate response.

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    I did snubs. At least I did that. But-

    CNN cannot independently confirm Jiang's claims
    What more do you expect me to comment, about this 'Hot off the Press' item? Refer to something like this, maybe-



    Here is the truth about some of the much reported cases in the so-called "databases".
    ・ The first category of those cases involve people who fabricated personal experiences.
    Some of the "witnesses" in the "databases" are, in fact, hired by Western anti-China forces. These "witnesses" act out the made-up stories to smear Xinjiang abroad and make a living out of it. They choose to be the pawns of Western anti-China forces in exchange for refugee status and material benefits, making up one lie after another about their so-called experience in the vocational education and training centers only to be busted by the truth time and again.
    1. Sayragul Sauytbay
    Sayragul Sauytbay, female, born in 1976, is from Zhaosu County of Xinjiang.
    (1) Activities outside China
    Sayragul Sauytbay claimed to have been an instructor at a "rehabilitation class" and accessed classified documents before leaving China, and to be able to prove that 2,500 people were interned where she worked.
    On 12 December 2019, Sayragul Sauytbay claimed in a video clip released by the BBC that during her days at the "detention camp", she had been beaten on the head by an electric baton and her personal freedom was restricted, and that surveillance cameras were installed in all the classrooms, dormitories and bathrooms in the "camp".
    On 4 March 2020, Sayragul Sauytbay received the US State Department's annual International Women of Courage Award. Mike Pompeo said at the awards ceremony, "Today we also honor Sayragul Sauytbay. Formerly a medical doctor, she was separated from her family, tortured, imprisoned, and faced execution because of her courage to simply speak the truth."
    On 20 April 2020, Japanese manga artist Tomomi Shimizu drew cartoons telling a story of "persecution" from the perspective of Sayragul Sauytbay, picturing her as the "survivor of re-education camp".
    (2) Reality check
    In April 2016, Sayragul Sauytbay was appointed head of the Central Kindergarten of Chahanwusu Town, Zhaosu County, Ili Kazakh Autonomous Prefecture. On 19 March 2018, she became an elementary school teacher in Chahanwusu. Half a month later, on 4 April, she asked for leave from the school. The next day, she left China illegally.
    To set the record straight, first of all, Sayragul Sauytbay lied about her experience. She claimed to be a medical-university graduate who had worked as a doctor, but the truth is she only attended nursing course at a vocational school in Ili and has never been a doctor. She initially said she was an instructor at an education and training center, but later claimed to be a victim interned and tortured, subjected to medical experiment and forced to eat pork in the "concentration camp". As a matter of fact, she has never worked or studied at any education and training center, still less been subjected to any compulsory measure. Her whole account of the center is nothing but smear and slander.
    Second, Sayragul Sauytbay is a criminal suspect. On 5 April 2018, she left China illegally carrying a Chinese border pass. Her conduct violated the provisions of Article 322 of the Criminal Law of China on illegal border crossing. In June 2015 and December 2016, she obtained two loans totaling 470,000 yuan from the rural credit cooperative of Chahanwusu Town with forged real estate purchase contract and guarantor's signature and fake documents. To this day, she has yet to repay 398,000 yuan worth of debt. Her conduct violated the provisions of Article 193 of the Criminal Law of China on loan fraud. Due to her criminal offences, she has been listed online as a wanted person by the public security authorities according to legal procedures.
    Third, Sayragul Sauytbay has a record of dishonest behavior. When she was head of the Central Kindergarten of Chahanwusu Town, she took advantage of her position and appropriated performance bonuses, which hurt the interests of her fellow colleagues. As a result, she was removed from office by the local education authorities in accordance with laws and regulations. Before illegally crossing the border, she talked her younger sister Panar into obtaining a loan worth 45,000 yuan and buying her car, but she never transferred ownership of the vehicle to Panar, much to Panar's resentment.
    2. Mihrigul Tursun
    Mihrigul Tursun, female, born in 1985, is from Qiemo County of Xinjiang. In August 2010, she registered for marriage with an Iranian in China, and in January 2012, with an Egyptian in Egypt. In April 2015, she gave birth to triplets in Egypt. Two of her children were registered for permanent residence in China in October 2015, and another was entrusted to the care of her husband's cousin. On 22 April 2018, Mihrigul Tursun left China with her husband and two children.
    (1) Activities outside China
    Mihrigul Tursun went to the United States in April 2018. There, she attended a hearing of the US Congressional-Executive Commission on China as a witness, and gave false testimony citing her so-called "personal experience". In her interviews with CNN and other media outlets, she claimed that she was detained by the police in a "concentration camp", and was forced to take or get injected with unknown medicines. She claimed that people detained there were suffering from torture everyday, and she herself witnessed the death of nine women. She said that one of her sons died in the Urumqi Children's Hospital, and nobody told her why he was admitted for treatment.
    (2) Reality check
    First, Mihrigul Tursun was fully free in China except for the 20 days under criminal detention. On 21 April 2017, she was criminally detained by the Public Security Bureau of Qiemo County on suspicion of inciting ethnic hatred and discrimination. She was confirmed to have infectious diseases. The Bureau revoked the compulsory measures on 10 May 2017 out of humanitarian considerations. Between 2010 and 2017, she made 11 trips between China and countries including Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Thailand and Turkey.
    Second, Mihrigul Tursun had never studied in any vocational education and training center, nor had she ever been forced to take any medicine. She claimed that the drugs and medicine she was injected with in the "concentration camp" caused her infertility. As verified by investigation, there was no sterilization record, and her parents said that she was fertile.
    She also lied about her younger brother, claiming that he was abused to death in a vocational education and training center. When hearing this, Akbar Tursun, her "dead" brother, stated publicly that Mihrigul was a habitual liar, and that she had not only lied about his death, but also rumored about watching others die.
    Third, Mihrigul Tursun's son did not die when receiving treatment in Urumqi. One of her sons, due to illnesses such as pneumonia, hydrocephalus and right-side indirect inguinal hernia, was taken to Urumqi Children's Hospital by Mihrigul Tursun herself and her family. The boy was hospitalized for treatment from 14 to 19 January, from 6 to 12 May and from 4 to 8 November in 2016. In April 2018, Mihrigul Tursun and her husband left China with this child.
    3. Zumrat Dawut
    Zumrat Dawut, female, born in 1982, is from Urumqi of Xinjiang. She left China in January 2019.
    (1) Activities outside China
    Since 20 September 2019, in interviews with Radio Free Asia and other media outlets, Zumrat Dawut claimed to have been interrogated by the public security departments in Xinjiang and detained in a vocational education and training center for reasons including being married to a Pakistani. She alleged that she had been brutally persecuted, forced to take contraceptives with other women detained there, and forced to undergo sterilization with her uterus resected. She also asserted that she was served a pork dish in the Han family that her family was paired up with. On 24 September and 2 October 2019, she attended as a witness and gave false testimony at a panel discussion on "international religious freedom" and a seminar on "human rights crises in Xinjiang" held by the US State Department. On 12 October, she said that her neighbor in Xinjiang told her that her father had died after multiple rounds of police interrogations.
    (2) Reality check
    First, Zumrat Dawut had never studied in any vocational education and training center. This was confirmed by her fifth eldest brother Abduheili Dawut in an interview.
    Second, Zumrat Dawut had never undergone any forced sterilization. Before she gave birth to her third child in the Urumqi Maternal and Child Health Hospital in March 2013, she had signed a delivery consent form, agreeing to a cesarean section and tubal ligation, and she received the surgeries at the hospital. She never had a forced sterilization, not to mention any hysterectomy.
    Third, the so-called "pork dish" was a sheer fabrication. The paired-up family she referred to is the family of Zhao Qilin, the paired-up family of her fifth eldest brother Abduheili Dawut. In January 2018, Zhao Qilin invited Abduheili Dawut, his wife Horqiz Ahmat and his sister Zumrat Dawut over to his home. Zhao's mother cooked for the guests. There is no chance that Zhao's mother, an ethnic Hui herself, would ever prepare a pork dish. The two families took a picture when having dinner together.
    Fourth, Zumrat Dawut's father had never been detained. According to her fifth eldest brother Abduheili Dawut, their father had been living with his children all along, and had never been investigated or detained. Their father passed away due to coronary heart disease. Zumrat Dawut's claim that her father died after police interrogations was a complete lie.
    4. Gulzira Auelhan
    Gulzira Auelhan, female, born in 1979, is from Yining County of Xinjiang.
    (1) Activities outside China
    In an interview with the BBC on 15 January 2020, Gulzira Auelhan claimed that she had been detained for 15 months, during which she was tortured and injected with unknown medicine. She purported that she had worked in a glove factory after being released and had to report to the police on her whereabouts, and that her husband was also under surveillance after he was released.
    (2) Reality check
    First, Gulzira Auelhan defaulted on a bank loan. It was found out that she, along with four others in her village as co-guarantors, borrowed 40,000 yuan from the Yining County Rural Credit Cooperative. She never paid back the interest of the loan even after it had matured, and was blacklisted by the bank.
    Second, she has a record of dishonest behavior. In her interview with The Globe and Mail, she said that her life goal was to bring up her children. Yet facts proved otherwise. She has no biological child, and has been indifferent to her three stepdaughters of her third husband. After she left China, she even asked her stepdaughters to pay her debts.
    5. Tursunay Ziyawudun
    Tursunay Ziyawudun, female, born in 1978, is from Xinyuan County of Ili Prefecture of Xinjiang.
    (1) Activities outside China
    After leaving China on 26 September 2019, Tursunay Ziyawudun had several interviews by the BBC and other foreign media outlets, during which she claimed that women detained at the education and training centers had to either undergo surgical sterilization or take medicine to stop menstruation, and that she was forced to undergo irreversible tubal ligation and sterilization. In an interview with the BBC on 2 February 2021, she said she had "experienced and seen sexual abuse".
    (2) Reality check
    First, Tursunay Ziyawudun has never had any medical record of contraceptive operation.
    Second, what she said in the interviews is inconsistent. In an interview with the BBC this year, she said that police at the center knocked her on the floor and kicked her in the abdomen, and she almost passed out. However, in an interview with the American website Buzzfeed last year, she said "I wasn't beaten or abused." She claimed that she was under house arrest from January to June 2019. But her passport was issued on 13 March 2019, and passports must be applied in person at government agencies. If she were under house arrest, how could she go out to apply for her passport?
    6. Rahman Shanbay
    Rahman Shanbay, female, born in 1987, is from Tekes County of Xinjiang.
    (1) Activities outside China
    After leaving China on 19 December 2018, she was interviewed by The Globe and Mail and other foreign media outlets. She claimed that she was interned in a room with 24 women, and was chained with handcuffs and shackles for one week because the application "WhatsApp" was installed on her cell phone.
    (2) Reality check
    First, Rahman Shanbay underwent investigation in accordance with the law. She was inquired by local police after being reported to have stored terrorist and extremist audios and videos on her cell phone and watched them frequently. Given the minor nature of her crime, her confession and remorse, she received only admonition as required by law.
    Second, Rahman Shanbay was never interned. Her mother Danishban Musa said "my daughter indeed went to a police station and was subjected to inquiry because she was influenced by religious extremism and was suspected of committing a crime. However, she came back only three hours later, and since then she has stayed at home, helping me and my husband take care of the cattle."
    ・ The second category of those cases involve people who fabricated stories about their relatives.
    Some anti-China individuals staying abroad fabricated lies about their relatives being arrested, persecuted or missing, in an attempt to garner sympathy from the international community and serve their schemes. Such unfounded claims are seriously misleading to the international community. Even their relatives in China have spoken out to debunk their lies.
    1. Ferkat Jawdat
    Ferkat Jawdat, male, born in 1992, is from Yining City of Xinjiang.
    (1) Activities outside China
    After going to the United States on 23 January 2011, Ferkat Jawdat organized "collective testimony" in several other countries, pieced together information of trainees at the so-called "concentration camps" and led the allegation campaign "Me Too Uyghur". He claimed that his mother was detained in a "concentration camp" for 12 months and imprisoned for three months. In March 2019, he was "received" by Mike Pompeo as one of the so-called "survivors of internment camps" and their family members.
    (2) Reality check
    Ferkat Jawdat and his father, brother and two sisters live in the United States. His mother Minawar Tursun leads a normal life in China. As Minawar Tursun said, she has video calls with her son almost every day.
    2. Kuzzat Altay
    Kuzzat Altay, whose real name is Kuzzat Mamat, is nephew of Rebiya Kadeer, former head of the World Uyghur Congress. Born in 1984, he is from Urumqi of Xinjiang and now lives in the United States. On 26 October 2019, Kuzzat Mamat became president of the Uyghur American Association.
    (1) Activities outside China
    At a press conference at the US Congress held by the Coalition to Advance Religious Freedom in China, an anti-China organization, as well as in interviews since February 2019, he claimed that his father Mamat Qadir was arrested and probably had died.
    (2) Reality check
    It has been verified that Kuzzat Altay's father Mamat Qadir lives a normal life in Urumqi.
    3. Guljahra Qeyum
    Guljahra Qeyum, female, born in 1973, is from Urumqi of Xinjiang. She is a journalist and news presenter of the Uyghur language department of Radio Free Asia and a member of the Uyghur American Association. On 8 May 2017, she was listed online as a wanted person by the public security authorities on suspicion of joining a terrorist organization.
    (1) Activities outside China
    In July 2018, Guljahra Qeyum attended a meeting of the US Congressional-Executive Commission on China and said that her parents were detained in an internment camp. In March 2019, she was "received" by Mike Pompeo as one of the so-called "survivors of internment camps" and their family members.
    (2) Reality check
    Guljahra Qeyum's parents lead a normal life. Her 79-year-old father Abduqeyum Ghoja suffers from paralysis caused by cerebral infarction. Her mother Chimangul Zikir, aged 73, has several medical conditions including cardiac disease, hypertension and varicose veins in calves, and she needs to take care of her husband at home. They expressed no interest in traveling abroad due to poor health.
    4. Yiminjan Sadul
    Yiminjan Sadul, male, born in 1965, is former associate professor of the History Department of the Xinjiang Islamic Institute.
    (1) False story by foreign media
    Yiminjan Sadul's daughter Samre Yiminjan claimed that her father was arrested by the authorities in Xinjiang for publishing an Arabic grammar book in 2014, and that she learned in November 2019 that he was sentenced to 15 years' imprisonment for the "crime of inciting and advocating extremist ideology". On 13 February 2020, a Washington Post journalist published an article entitled "Boston Uighur Woman Champions Her Father's Release", claiming that Samre Yiminjan's father Yiminjan Sadul was detained by Chinese officials and arrested over charges of extremism.
    (2) Reality check
    It has been verified that Yiminjan Sadul lives a free life.
    5. Arpat Arkin
    Arpat Arkin, male, born in 1997, is from Yining City of Xinjiang. On 29 October 2015, he travelled abroad and joined the World Uyghur Congress.
    (1) Activities outside China
    In February 2019, Arpat Arkin tweeted that his mother had been put in a "concentration camp" since late 2017, and his father Arkin Tursun was arrested on March 2018 and sentenced to 7 or 11 years in prison. In March 2019, he was "received" by Mike Pompeo as one of the so-called "survivors of internment camps" and their family members.
    (2) Reality check
    Arpat Arkin's mother, younger sister and younger brother are all living a normal life. His father Arkin Tursun was sentenced to 20 years' imprisonment by the People's Court for inciting ethnic hatred and discrimination and for cover-up. Arkin Tursun confessed to all the charges and is now in good health and serving his time in prison.
    6. Reyhan Asat
    Reyhan Asat, female, born in 1981, is from Urumqi of Xinjiang.
    (1) Activities outside China
    On 9 May 2020, The New York Times published an article claiming that Reyhan Asat, a Uyghur in the United States, said in an interview that her younger brother Akbar Asat was arrested in Xinjiang when he returned to China for participating in the activity of the International Visitor Leadership Program (IVLP) held by the US State Department in 2016, and was then sentenced to 15 years' imprisonment by the Chinese government for inciting ethnic hatred. She called on the IVLP organizers to pay attention to this case and urge the Chinese government to release her brother Akbar Asat.
    (2) Reality check
    Reyhan Asat's younger brother Akbar Asat was sentenced to 15 years in prison for inciting secession by the People's Court in accordance with the law. He confessed to the charge and is now serving his sentence and is in good health. He was sentenced for violating China's law. It has nothing to do with whether he had participated in relevant activities in the US.
    7. Mamut Abdureyim
    Mamut Abdureyim, male, born in 1978, is from Urumqi of Xinjiang, and is now living in Australia.
    (1) False story by foreign media
    Mamut Abdureyim said in a CNN interview that he had "lost contact" with his wife Arem Ablat and his children since April 2017, and that he couldn't go back to China for fear of his own safety.
    (2) Reality check
    Mamut Abdureyim has long indoctrinated his wife Arem Ablat with religious extremist and violent terrorist ideologies. After leaving China on 30 November 2012, she took part in religious extremist activities many times, and incited other people in China to travel abroad to prepare for terrorist activities.
    On 6 December 2015, tasked by terrorist organizations, Arem Ablat returned to China, where she instigated and coaxed other people into leaving the country to join terrorist organizations abroad and launching terrorist activities. On 19 June 2020, she was sentenced to nine years in prison for instigating ethnic hatred by the People's Court in Kashgar. She is now serving her sentence.
    Mamut Abdureyim's daughter now lives with his father Abdureyim Mamut and attends the No.1 Primary School of Kashgar. His son lives with his mother-in-law Patima Abdurusul and attends a kindergarten in Kashgar. Mamut Abdureyim has never returned to China to take care of his children and family since he left the country on 14 September 2012.
    ・ The third category of those cases involve the so-called "witnesses" whose experiences were in fact fabricated.
    There are a large number of people whose identities have been fabricated, distorted and exploited in the so-called Xinjiang-related "databases". For instance, Tayir Asan, a doctor of the Gastroenterology Department of the People's Hospital in Kuqa of the Aksu Prefecture; Aysham Sadik, a retired teacher; Gulbahar Mamat, a kindergarten teacher in Zepu County, Kashgar Prefecture; Tayir Talip, a writer and retired editor of Kashgar Daily; Anwar Dawut, Omar Ali and Abdukeyum Dawut in Pishan County, Hotan Prefecture, and so on. All of them were allegedly "detained" according to the Western anti-China forces, when, in fact, all of them are living a normal life. Among them, Yilpan Yezmujan, a football player, is training at the Suning football club in Jiangsu Province; Isak Payzulla, an editor of Hami Daily, and the Zaram Talips, retired officials from the Committee of Ethnic and Religious Affairs in Hami, attended in person the fifth press briefing on Xinjiang-related issues on 2 March 2020 to debunk the rumors.
    ・ The fourth category of those cases involve people who have been prosecuted on criminal charges in accordance with the law.
    In the so-called Xinjiang related "databases", there are some who were sentenced in accordance with the law for violating China's laws. They are by no means the "victims". For example, Sami Bary from Turpan was sentenced to life imprisonment for organizing, leading and joining terrorist organizations and for murder; Akbar Yimin from Urumqi was sentenced to 25 years in prison for organizing and leading organized crime of a gangland nature, forced transaction, robbery and unlawful detention; Ahat Wuji from Baicheng County in Aksu was sentenced to 20 years in prison for attempted murder and provocative and disturbing acts; Abdurehman Abdukerem from Zequ County in Kashgar was sentenced to four years in prison for child molestation. It is simply preposterous that the Western anti-China forces should "cry foul" for these criminals.



    Things to Know about All the Lies on Xinjiang: How Have They Come About? (chineseconsulate.org)



    Maybe you lot should be fighting some fires at Home, rather than trying to deflect the blame for all of Your problems and stuffups to somebody else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Maybe you lot should be fighting some fires at Home, rather than trying to deflect the blame for all of Your problems and stuffups to somebody else.
    Says the hoohoo clone who just posted a load of propaganda shite to deflect the blame for chinastan's problems and stuff ups to somebody else.


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    Yes, poor Chinastan (Gov't approval rating +90%, GDP and av. income growth, stellar).

    All Hail the Chief!! (approval rating 44,8%, largest Creditor- Chinastan).


    Good housekeeping starts at Home. If ya wanna sell something, build it first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Yes, poor Chinastan (Gov't approval rating +90%, GDP and av. income growth, stellar).

    All Hail the Chief!! (approval rating 44,8%, largest Creditor- Chinastan).


    Good housekeeping starts at Home. If ya wanna sell something, build it first.
    Go on boy! Get that tongue right up there!

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    CNN cannot independently confirm Jiang's claims
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Chinese detective in exile reveals extent of torture against Uyghurs
    Supposed Chinese detective in exile apparently reveals extent of torture against Uyghurs.

    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
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    Doesn't speak English.

    Who did the English translation of what he apparently said?

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    I always find it's best to sit back for a while, and see what comes out in the wash. As per. #7 above. Anyway, the blokes gotta guaranteed slot on RFA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I always find it's best to sit back for a while, and see what comes out in the wash. As per. #7 above. Anyway, the blokes gotta guaranteed slot on RFA.
    Translation: Run out of chinky shit to post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    CNN cannot independently confirm Jiang's claims
    Ya because he made it all up of course.



    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Says the hoohoo clone who just posted a load of propaganda shite to deflect the blame for chinastan's problems and stuff ups to somebody else.
    It is embarrassingly sad how far he has fallen down the wormhole.

    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Good housekeeping starts at Home. If ya wanna sell something, build it first.
    After posting the bullshit state propaganda now he rolls out his usual whataboutism. Pathetic.

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    Did CNN ever retract it's blunder when it falsely claimed a photo of a Ukrainian train carrying Ukrainian tanks towards the Russian border was a Russian train carrying Russian tanks in the other direction?


    Didn't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Did CNN ever retract it's blunder when it falsely claimed a photo of a Ukrainian train carrying Ukrainian tanks towards the Russian border was a Russian train carrying Russian tanks in the other direction?


    Didn't think so.
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    Yeh, whataboutit e'hhh. i think our media orchestrators should consider the parable of the boy that cried wolf, if they want to work on their credibility.

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    You are a complete tosser. CNN interviewed that policeman for three hours. You are so brainwashed that you take the CCP propaganda over everything else. That is epic level buffoonery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Yeh, whataboutit e'hhh. i think our media orchestrators should consider the parable of the boy that cried wolf, if they want to work on their credibility.

    The civilised world: "Dear China, stop locking up and torturing Uighurs"
    Sabang: "What about the price of baked beans in the Covid era?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Yes, poor Chinastan Gov't approval rating +90%,

    According to who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    According to who?
    People looking nervously over their shoulder at a Winnie the Flu thug mostly.

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    ^^ Several sources, but one that immediately springs to mind is a long term Harvard University study- you'll find the link on the View from China thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    ^^ Several sources, but one that immediately springs to mind is a long term Harvard University study- you'll find the link on the View from China thread.
    and who did the harvard study poll?

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    Linky mate, if you want to check for yourself. Please do- it's all there, but I ain't gonna go back over it. Been there, done that.

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