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    Quote Originally Posted by havnfun View Post
    And anyway, what the f does any other country have to do with a socialist country? They say they have the best idea, so go for it, because America won't trade with you or any country that trades with you should be beside the point, correct? your idea is best so go for it.
    Not correct.
    It should be allowed to succeed or fail on it's own merits and not because a four hundred pound gorilla put it's thumb on the scale. But the gorilla will not let that happen because if all the other monkeys saw another system succeed they might not want to play with the gorilla anymore.
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    Something for harry and his confidence in "reputable organs":

    Cuban president defiant, blames embargo after protests-cuba-jpg




    Western media use images of PRO-government rally, protest in Miami to illustrate Cuban unrest as Havana warns of ‘soft coup’

    Several Western news outlets have used an erroneously captioned photo showing a pro-government rally in Cuba, deeming it an opposition protest, while CNN opted for an image of a Miami demonstration instead, raising eyebrows.
    Captured by Associated Press photographer Eliana Aponte during a demonstration in support of the government in the Cuban capital on Sunday, the photo has made the rounds in the Western corporate press as unrest grips the Caribbean nation. However, multiple outlets have incorrectly described the image as an “anti-government protest,” including the Guardian, Fox News, the Financial Times, the New York Times, the Washington Times and Voice of America. The latter outlet, the US-government funded VOA, committed the error on two separate occasions.

    GrayZone journalist Ben Norton and Alan MacLeod of MintPress News were among the first to note the error, sharing screenshots of several examples. MacLeod suggested the outlets may have simply “copied and pasted” the AP’s original photo caption, replicating the error across multiple agencies.
    Western media use images of PRO-government rally, protest in Miami to illustrate Cuban unrest as Havana warns of ‘soft coup’ — RT World News

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Not correct.
    It should be allowed to succeed or fail on it's own merits and not because a four hundred pound gorilla put it's thumb on the scale. But the gorilla will not let that happen because if all the other monkeys saw another system succeed they might not want to play with the gorilla anymore.
    Cuba has always had a gorilla with its thumb on the scale. Before it was Soviet Russia, then Venezuela. Now it's on its own and its tourist industry has crumbled, it is well and truly in the shit.

    I'm just surprised the chinkies haven't nipped it there with a bit of "Belt and Owed".

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I'm just surprised the chinkies haven't nipped it there with a bit of "Belt and Owed".
    They can not get their shit navy around Cape Good Hope.


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    The Chinese navy = Floaters...5555

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    I really enjoyed Scarface. Why doesn't Cuba just send it's gangbangers and malcontents over to Miami in leaky boats, and we can look forward to Scarface 2.

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    ^Good show, but…….

    We don’t need another Mariel boatlift. No one does

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    Good article from Axios……

    What drove Cubans to protest - Axios

    "No more lies": What drove Cubans to the streets


    Sara Naranjo, 88, took to Cuba's streets this past week because she is "done with being hungry, unemployed, without water, without power." Naranjo is one of thousands of Cubans to take part in what activists said were the largest anti-government protests on the island in decades.

    What's happening: People like Naranjo, who remembers Cuba before the revolution, joined thousands of younger Cubans, who have only known Communism, in the massive street protests despite their fear of the government’s harsh response.

    Why it matters: Sunday’s seemingly spontaneous mobilizations across the island were something unseen in 60 years of castrista rule.


    • Anti-government protests even erupted in the southeast province of Santiago de Cuba, Fidel Castro’s stronghold during the revolution and where he is buried.
    • “So much hunger ate away at our fear,” one demonstrator, Wendy Guerra, told the independent Cuban news site 14yMedio.


    The big picture: The pandemic deepened Cubans’ frustrations with lack of food and resources that had simmered for decades.


    • Tourism, mostly from Canada and Europe, dried up along with the hard currency it provided.
    • Mismanagement of the island’s state-run economy, already under a U.S. embargo since 1962, sent Cuba’s GDP crashing by 11% last year, its worst showing since the former Soviet Union stopped subsidies in the early 1990s.
    • Chronic power cuts and shortages of food and medicines have been more acute, while the nearly quarter-million people who have had coronavirus have had to seek treatment from a healthcare system on the verge of collapse.
    • Vaccinations have been scarce since the government decided not to participate in the COVAX sharing program for developing nations and to develop its own shots.


    Between the lines: Pockets of overt dissidence had been growing even before Raúl Castro, Fidel Castro’s younger brother and his deputy during the revolution, stepped down in June as head of the Communist Party.


    • Movimiento San Isidro, a young coalition of artists, journalists and academics formed in 2019, urged more Cubans to make their dissatisfaction public.Musicians and San Isidro members, Maykel Osorbo and El Funky, were joined by Yotuel, Gente De Zona, and Descemer Bueno to release the song (Homeland and Life), which became an anthem for this week’s protesters.

      • Its lyrics demand “no more lies” and “no more doctrine,” telling those who cling to the revolution that their time is past.


    The growing availability of the internet, though also controlled by a state-run company, has allowed like-minded Cubans to share their frustrations more easily, like they did on Sunday.


    • The protests erupted days after #SOSCuba began to trend on social media, with Cubans demanding humanitarian assistance to address the island’s many crises.


    Where it stands: At least one person — 36-year-old Diubis Laurencio Tejeda, who was from an especially impoverished part of Havana — has died during the protests, according to local reports.


    • The government shutdown the internet and phone lines after the first protest on Sunday.
    • Reliable information regarding arrests is hard to come by with estimates ranging between 200 and 5,000 people.


    In Washington, the Biden administration has said the protests are “remarkable,” but has not yet indicated whether further policy changes were coming.


    • The U.S. has warned Cubans who might attempt to emigrate across the Florida Straits that they would be turned back.


    In Havana, meanwhile, President Miguel Díaz-Canel has pointed to the U.S. embargo as the cause of his country’s economic woes and accused U.S. authorities of financing and promoting “non-conventional warfare.”


    • On Wednesday, the Cuban government announced that tariffs on the private import of food, medicine and personal care products would be lifted at least until December.


    By the numbers: 3.5% of all Latinos in the U.S. are of Cuban ancestry or Cuban immigrants, the fifth largest Latino or Hispanic cultural group.


    • Most live in Florida. The state’s weight in the Electoral College means Cuban Americans have outsized political influence.


    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I really enjoyed Scarface.
    Before Scarface there was a show on PBS I would occasionally watch. https://www.quepasausa.org/ ¿Qué Pasa, USA?

    Steven Bauer (Cuban American) was a star on the show and also worked with Pacino
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    ^ so basically they can't support themself.

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    ^Why not to help them? Something like in Haiti with help of few Colombians - or whoever they are...

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    ^Or why not like this...

    Bombing Cuba an Option That 'Needs to Be Discussed,' Says Miami Mayor

    Miami mayor Francis Suarez said the U.S. should consider bombing Cuba as part of its response to recent citizen uprisings against the country's government.

    Bombing Cuba an Option That 'Needs to Be Discussed,' Says Miami Mayor

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    ^ Francis Suarez is just another republican whackjob who should be ignored, there are many of them in Florida.

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    • The government shutdown the internet and phone lines after the first protest on Sunday.
    This is when you know you have the wrong government.

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    Cuban president defiant, blames embargo after protests-cuba-jpg



    https://twitter.com/adam_antill/status/1415927184477274112


    Oupps...that's not against, it's for... (picture 2 years old)

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    CUBA-MAYDAY-LABOUR-RALLY
    People marching to celebrate May Day arrive at Revolution Square in Havana, on May 1, 2018. (Photo by Alejandro ERNESTO / POOL / AFP) (Photo by ALEJANDRO ERNESTO/POOL/AFP via Getty Images)

    People March To Revolution Square In Havana To Celebrate May Day, On May 1, 2018 Pictures and Photos - Getty Images


    https://twitter.com/RealMattCouch/st...92088516976649

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    Finally woke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff View Post
    Finally woke.
    Not to adam_antill's opiates.

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    Cuban government holds mass rally in Havana after protests



    HAVANA – Raul Castro was among thousands who attended a government-organized rally in Havana on Saturday to denounce the U.S. trade embargo and reaffirm their support for Cuba’s revolution, a week after unprecedented protests rocked the communist-run country.

    Government supporters gathered on the city’s seafront boulevard before dawn to wave Cuban flags and photos of late revolutionary leader Fidel Castro and his brother Raul. The latter retired as Communist Party leader in April but promised to continue fighting for the revolution as a “foot soldier.”

    The rally was a reaction to demonstrations that erupted nationwide last Sunday amid widespread shortages of basic goods, demands for political rights and the island nation’s worst coronavirus outbreak since the start of the pandemic.

    The government admitted some shortcomings this week but mostly blamed the protests on U.S.-financed “counter-revolutionaries” exploiting economic hardship caused by U.S. sanctions.

    President Miguel Diaz-Canel, who also heads the Communist Party, told the crowd that Cuba’s “enemy has once again thrown itself into destroying citizens’ sacred unity and tranquility.”

    He said it was no small matter to call a rally as the country saw increasing numbers of COVID cases: “We convened you to denounce once more the blockade, the aggression and terror.”

    Hasta la Victoria Siempre, Always until victory


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