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    America world's sole cyber superpower, ten years ahead of China, says Brit think tank

    I think this report is going to hurt feelings.

    The United States is comfortably the world’s most powerful nation when measured on “cyber capabilities that make the greatest difference to national power,” according to British think tank The International Institute for Strategic Studies.

    The institute on Monday published a document titled “Cyber Capabilities and National Power: A Net Assessment” that covered 15 nations and considered the following criteria:

    • Strategy and doctrine;
    • Governance, command and control;
    • Core cyber intelligence capability;
    • Cyber empowerment and dependence;
    • Cyber security and resilience;
    • Global leadership in cyberspace affairs;
    • Offensive cyber capability.

    The two-year research effort saw the institute examine 15 nations and define three tiers of capability.
    America was ranked the sole Tier-One Nation, meaning it possesses “world-leading strengths in all the categories in the methodology”.
    The report says America's “capability for offensive cyber operations is probably more developed than that of any other country, although its full potential remains largely undemonstrated”.
    An interesting observation given the recent Colonial Pipeline ransomware incident is that “The US has moved more effectively than any other country to defend its critical national infrastructure in cyberspace”. That opinion is tempered with the observation that the United States “recognises that the task is extremely difficult and that major weaknesses remain”.

    Australia, Canada, China, France, Israel, Russia, and the UK were rated Tier-Two nations, meaning they possess “world-leading strengths in some of the categories”.
    A few observations on each from the institute's report:

    • Australia’s capability stems from its membership of the Five Eyes alliance, and while it has shown it has offensive capabilities it needs “to make dramatically greater investments in cyber-related tertiary education and carve out a more viable sovereign cyber capability”;
    • Canada benefits from a strong domestic tech industry and is very good at building alliances that enhance its capacities, but has unproven offensive capabilities;
    • China has weak defences and under-developed policies to protect key infrastructure but proven offensive capabilities. Rated as most likely challenger to the United States;
    • France walks a line between working with allies to enhance its capabilities and relying on its own tech that, while decent, may not be as capable but does have the benefit of creating fewer dependencies;
    • Israel has impressive policy frameworks, and not only possesses offensive capabilities but is willing to use them “in a wide range of circumstances”;
    • Russia has proven it can conduct information warfare and is trying to strengthen its tech industry and therefore its capabilities, but its underperforming economy makes it hard to realise that ambition. Trails America and China in terms of “developing the most sophisticated offensive military cyber tool”;
    • The UK derives strength from its many alliances and has conducted offensive cyber-ops since the early 2000s. But a lack of talent, inability to match the scale of investments made by China and the United States, and small industrial base mean it can manage risks but not export tech to the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TTraveler View Post
    according to British think tank The International Institute for Strategic Studies.
    No Chinese academics involved?

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    I'm worried that the balance of power may change...look at how fast Israel advanced after WW2

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    Yeah. They most likely are the best at petty cyber bullying all the other nations in the world.

    Yet their defense is questionable. If you actually believe that Russia actually did the recent alleged cyber attacks in the US

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    There is an old anecdote, which may have some applicability here. It involves space travel, which of course is a zero gravity environment.

    NASA had a problem, namely how to get pens to work in zero gravity while in space. They spent millions designing a pen that would work- American knowhow at it's finest.
    The Russians however got around the problem, by using a standard lead pencil in space.

    There is no question that the amount of resources the US expends on cyberbullshit eclipses everyone else- money, personnel, everything. But does that automatically make them ten years ahead? Or five years? Or more effective?

    Well how on earth would we know anyway? All this stuff is shrouded in state level secrecy. The ISS is just taking it's best guess. And in ten years time, who knows. Ten years ago most of you would have disputed the fact China was on course to become the worlds largest economy by mid century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    The ISS is just taking it's best guess.
    That is what you are guessing but they are known for being very accurate in any report they issue, they are not a guessing institution. They are as highly reputed as Jane's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Yeah. They most likely are the best at petty cyber bullying all the other nations in the world.

    Yet their defense is questionable. If you actually believe that Russia actually did the recent alleged cyber attacks in the US
    You just reminded me of that programing code that leaked out of the CIA a few years ago, they used it to id other countries if an other intelligence agency caught onto them, was called vault 7

    Vault 7: CIA Hacking Tools Revealed

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    This of course only applies to the government, definitely not true for the private sector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    This of course only applies to the government, definitely not true for the private sector.
    Where do you think the government gets its cyber experts from?

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    Increasingly India, China and Russia. Our kids just wanna party on dude, and study something that doesn't require much studying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Our kids just wanna party on dude, and study something that doesn't require much studying.
    If your groundstrokes were executed with as much ease as your sweeping generalisations then Serena would be toast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Where do you think the government gets its cyber experts from?
    They told us Putin did it
    Faaaark there goes that reason to go to war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Where do you think the government gets its cyber experts from?
    Well if it's from the private sector that would explain why most of that group are shit at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Well if it's from the private sector that would explain why most of that group are shit at it.
    Hmm. I do not follow. America has the sharpest tech minds in the world, hands down. No one else is even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Hmm. I do not follow. America has the sharpest tech minds in the world, hands down. No one else is even close.
    Oh FFS does Colonial Pipeline ring any bells? Or any of the other myriad attacks just this year?

    They're all the result of fucking idiots trying to do technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Oh FFS does Colonial Pipeline ring any bells? Or any of the other myriad attacks just this year?
    You idiot. The US government does not oversee the IT networks of private companies in the US, and Colonial pipeline is owned by fucking Koch industries. Clearly not a tech company and not the type of place that most people in the tech industry would want to work for. It became a target because it was identified as easy to exploit.

    What a total shit example. The US gets attacked far more than any other country, so of course there will be breaches. For someone that claims to work in tech, your comments really make me think that you know fuck all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    NASA had a problem, namely how to get pens to work in zero gravity while in space. They spent millions designing a pen that would work- American knowhow at it's finest.
    The Russians however got around the problem, by using a standard lead pencil in space.
    Sorry. Urban legend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    You idiot. The US government does not oversee the IT networks of private companies in the US, and Colonial pipeline is owned by fucking Koch industries. Clearly not a tech company and not the type of place that most people in the tech industry would want to work for. It became a target because it was identified as easy to exploit.

    What a total shit example. The US gets attacked far more than any other country, so of course there will be breaches. For someone that claims to work in tech, your comments really make me think that you know fuck all.
    From the OP:

    “world-leading strengths in all the categories in the methodology”.
    Cyber security and resilience;
    FFS even the fucking government got compromised by SolarWinds for months without even knowing it.

    Whoever wrote this shite was a suck up getting paid a fortune to write a puff piece.

    Lots of people believe this shit and pay thousands to go to these godawful ISS seminars because they snag Dick Cheney or Hillary Clinton as a "guest speaker", for which they get paid handsomely to churn out cliches like "a quantum leap in cyber resilience", "issues of mutual interest" and "a paradigm shift in global co-operation".

    The truth is the US is shit at cyber, and if Russia wanted to start a world war it could bring down the US national grid in a heartbeat, and probably blow up a nuclear reactor or two.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The truth is the US is shit at cyber, and if Russia wanted to start a world war it could bring down the US national grid in a heartbeat, and probably blow up a nuclear reactor or two.
    You are an epic level fucktard and completely clueless. You clearly do not work in the tech industry.

    America is attacked 100x more than any other country. Think about that for a moment, you dumb island monkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    You are an epic level fucktard and completely clueless. You clearly do not work in the tech industry.

    America is attacked 100x more than any other country. Think about that for a moment, you dumb island monkey.
    Unlike you snubby, I work with these people.

    They are mostly fucking clueless bar the few hardy souls whose painful job it is to clean up their messes.

    Your assessment of American cybersecurity readiness is as vastly overinflated as your ego.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    They are mostly fucking clueless bar the few hardy souls whose painful job it is to clean up their messes.
    That is the tech industry in a nutshell, you mong. Just getting the devs to come to work with their pants on is a good day.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Unlike you snubby, I work with these people.
    I do not know who "these people" are, but you work in a shithole oil state. I am in Seattle and work with many people in the tech industry here. Some of whom moonlight between working for big tech and covertly helping Uncle Sam off the books. These people who I happen to spend time with occasionally over a pint are far smarter than you and myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    That is the tech industry in a nutshell, you mong. Just getting the devs to come to work with their pants on is a good day.



    I do not know who "these people" are, but you work in a shithole oil state. I am in Seattle and work with many people in the tech industry here. Some of whom moonlight between working for big tech and covertly helping Uncle Sam off the books. These people who I happen to spend time with occasionally over a pint are far smarter than you and myself.
    These people should be working in the private sector protecting idiots from ransomware attacks.

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