Thread: Wing of Miami-area condo collapses; at least 1 person dead

Once rust gets into that rebar through cracked concrete it spreads like cancer weakening the entire structure.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Deathtoll is now 4 with 159 unaccounted for.

Fire has broken out.

Deep down and difficult to fight

Originally Posted by TheRealKW

And AirBnB flats

Don't talk about AirBnB with socal around

Originally Posted by beachbound

FFS, have you seen the video?

Seeing and understanding - tough at times for some

Originally Posted by helge

You would think that the telephone companies would know of your whereabouts these days.

So many telephone companies in the US and Canada

Originally Posted by panama hat

So many telephone companies in the US and Canada

Not to mention disposable phones that need no ID.

So the posted video is now private.

^WPLG Local 10 was the first to show the video and were given permission to broadcast it. The video below should stay up.

Surveillance video captures eerie scene as part of Surfside condo building collapses

You would think that the telephone companies would know of your whereabouts these days.

Originally Posted by panama hat

So many telephone companies in the US and Canada

NSA will know

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Not to mention disposable phones that need no ID.

Their relatives will know their number


I'm sure that it could be done

Originally Posted by S Landreth

The video below should stay up.

That is mind-blowing. This is a prime example of the repercussions of right wing deregulation at the state level.

Originally Posted by helge

NSA will know


Their relatives will know their number


I'm sure that it could be done

If they know who their relatives are, they will know who they are.

What is it you're trying to achieve here?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If they know who their relatives are, they will know who they are.

It's a question of 'where'

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

What is it you're trying to achieve here?

Maybe too much.

Originally Posted by helge

It's a question of 'where'

Well a phone is probably going to say they are connected to the nearest mast.

How does that help find them under 12 floors of rubble?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Well a phone is probably going to say they are connected to the nearest mast.

Yes

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Might establish that they are probably buried there and not gone fishing in Alaska

Originally Posted by helge

Yes

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Might establish that they are probably buried there and not gone fishing in Alaska

Their relatives might be able to confirm that.

Surfside official who signed off on condo is put on leave

The Surfside, Florida, official who said in November 2018 that the Miami-area condo was in satisfactory condition has been placed on leave from his post as Doral's interim building official, the Wall Street Journal reports.

The latest: The staffing change follows reports that Rosendo "Ross" Prieto reviewed a 2018 report about the Champlain Towers South condo and told residents the building was "in very good shape."

• On Monday, CAP Government, a firm that provides building department services to government clients, notified the City of Doral that Prieto was on "a leave of absence and had assigned another employee to assist the City of Doral Building Department on a temporary basis,” the city's spokesperson Maggie Santos said, per the Miami Herald.

President Biden and first lady Jill Biden will visit Surfside on Thursday, nearly a week after the partial collapse of a 12-story residential building that left at least 11 people dead and 150 unaccounted for.

Officials said at a briefing on Tuesday that no new fatalities had been reported, and all families have been notified of the loss of their loved ones.

• 210 people are on-site at any given time, working 12-hour shifts, according to Miami-Dade Mayor Daniella Levine Cava.
• Levine Cava said she was notified Monday night that four balconies in northeast Dade should be "closed to residents due to safety conditions" after a building audit was conducted in the wake of the Surfside disaster.
• The White House is coordinating Biden's visit with local officials to avoid delays to the search-and-rescue efforts, per the Miami Herald.

Driving the news: Nearly three months before the collapse, the president of the building's condominium association warned residents that the damage highlighted in a 2018 engineer's report had "gotten significantly worse," according to a letter to residents obtained by the New York Times and CNN.

• “The concrete deterioration is accelerating. The roof situation got much worse,” Jean Wodnicki wrote in the April 9 letter. “New problems have been identified. ... A lot of this work could have been done or planned for in years gone by. But this is where we are now."
• The letter adds to the body of evidence that concerns had been raised about flaws in the residential building months and years before the deadly collapse, including during a 2018 inspection that warned of "major structural damage" below the pool deck.

The big picture: White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Monday that Biden supports mobilizing federal agencies, including the FBI, to investigate the details of the disaster.

• “The goal, of course, is to get to the bottom of what happened, and of course, how to be an instructive guide on how to prevent it from happening in the future,” Psaki said.

149 still missing. Most mincemeat between slabs of concrete I reckon. In this heat it'll be starting to smell of rotten meat by now. I bet the rats are having a field day.

Originally Posted by Cujo

149 still missing. Most mincemeat between slabs of concrete I reckon. In this heat it'll be starting to smell of rotten meat by now. I bet the rats are having a field day.

Oh my word you are in a dark place aren't you?

Collapsed condo demolition to start Sunday

The collapse of the Champlain Tower in Surfside, Florida, last week has killed at least 24 people and left 124 unaccounted for, Miami-Dade Mayor Daniella Levine Cava said on Saturday, according to the Associated Press.

Driving the news: A Miami-Dade fire official told family members of individuals missing in the rubble that rescue workers plan to demolish the remainder of the building on Sunday, AP reports.

• Raide Jadallah, the assistant chief of operations for Miami-Dade Fire Rescue, told family members during a Saturday morning briefing that the building would be brought down “as soon as possible. First thing tomorrow,” per AP.
• Levine Cava on Friday signed an emergency order to allow engineers to demolish the wing of the Champlain Tower that remains standing.

What they're saying: "The building poses a threat to public health and safety, and bringing it down as quickly as possible is critical to protect our community," Levine Cava said.

The big picture: Search and rescue efforts were paused Thursday because of structural concerns about the standing portion of the building.

• Officials at the site are preparing for the potential impact of Hurricane Elsa, which may hit Florida early next week.
• Miami-Dade Fire Rescue Chief Alan Cominsky said Friday evening that six members of a Florida-based search and rescue team had tested positive for COVID-19, CNN reports.
  
  • "So we do have our medical procedures in place, you know, unfortunately, this is another challenge but something that we've been dealing with for over the past year," Cominsky said during the press conference.

Originally Posted by helge

Just speculating:

You would think that the telephone companies would know of your whereabouts these days.

Exactly. They should be able to get an idea of how many ppl are actually in the rubble fairly soon.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If they know who their relatives are, they will know who they are.

What is it you're trying to achieve here?

Trying to figure out how many ppl are actually in the rubble.

It will be interesting to see how many other buildings around the country are shut down after this. Because there is always bickering going on by inspectors and insurance companies about buildings and their various issues.

Most of the time though , the buildings dont collapse and the bickering just goes on and on. But now we have this.

Edit: Just one but there will be more

Another Miami Beach Condo Tower Evacuated After Structure Deemed Unsafe

Two days after the collapse of the 12-story Champlain Towers South beachfront condominium in Surfside, Miami-Dade Mayor Daniella Levine Cava ordered all buildings over 40 years old to undergo an "immediate" audit on their structural well-being. As a result, the city of North Miami Beach ordered more than 300 residents of the 10-story Crestview Towers complex with 156 units, located at 2025 NE 164th St., to evacuate Friday evening after receiving a Jan. 11 engineering field study deemed the building structurally unsafe.



"In an abundance of caution, the City ordered the building closed immediately and the residents evacuated for their protection, while a full structural assessment is conducted and next steps are determined," City Manager Arthur H. Sorey III said in a news release.
Crestview Towers is the first major residential structure to be closed after the June 24 Surfside tragedy. So far 22 people have been confirmed dead with 126 people still missing.


Steven Davis, 37, a resident of Crestview Towers for more than two decades, was not surprised by Friday's evacuation: "You just knew that something was going to happen," Davis said, adding that walls and ceilings needed repair.



Last week fears spread up and down Miami by residents who own condos in aging buildings because engineering audits could bring to light millions of dollars in repairs that would jack up homeowners association fees. The audits could also spark an evacuation of their building, and spark a liquidation firesale as owners of older condos seek to sell ahead of regulatory action.


Another Miami Beach Condo Tower Evacuated After Structure Deemed Unsafe | ZeroHedge

So far, 24 people have been killed and 124 remain unaccounted for, Cava said on Saturday, according to AP.

• Search for victims resumes at demolished Florida condo

Rescuers resumed their search early Monday for more than 120 people who remain unaccounted for at the site of a collapsed condominium in Surfside, Fla., just hours after the rest of the building was demolished.

Debris from the planned demolition on Sunday evening was already being cleared away by crews by Monday morning to allow rescuers access to the building's underground garage, The Associated Press reports.

Officials had been worried about the structural integrity of the remaining portions of the building as Tropical Storm Elsa approached the state. Forecasters now say the storm will hit Florida on Tuesday, though Surfside is not expected to be directly in its path. Tornadoes are reportedly possible in South Florida on Monday and Tuesday, however.

The AP notes that officials are particularly interested in accessing parts of the garage area, which may give authorities a clearer picture of the voids that exist underneath the rubble and may be harboring missing people. No one has been found alive since after the initial hours after the collapse.

Before rescue efforts were paused last week in preparation for the demolition, the death toll increased to 22 with 126 people still missing.

• Surfside death toll hits 27 as search resumes after controlled demolition

Originally Posted by Backspin

Trying to figure out...........

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