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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Long may they continue to change, on so many levels, "water into wine".
    Which in Hoohoo's case is blue nun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Which in Hoohoo's case is blue nun.
    Which he would call Blue Nun Wine . . . trying his best to be a westerner. What was it, OhNo . . . you had "$500 bottles of Merlot Wine"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Then of course there was the Kim family
    Wasn't it on the island Jeju? Not much known...

    Seeing recently on Korean TV (reported by some of the Kim's family...)

    Painful history: Commemorating the April 3rd Jeju Incident

    Following on from that story,... the gruesome massacre on Korea's southern island of Jeju began on this very day 72 years ago,... and it was undeniably one of the darkest moments in South Korea's modern history.

    Before this morning's memorial ceremony, we thought we'd take a look at the sheer scale of the atrocities that were committed during more than a year of terror against the island's residents.

    Kim Jae-hee reports.

    The April 3rd Jeju Massacre is one of the most tragic events of South Korea's modern history.

    More than 7 decades ago,... from 1948 to 1954,... an anti-communist suppression campaign was carried out by the South Korean government on Jeju Island.

    An estimated up to 30-thousand civilians on Jeju nearly 10 percent of the island's population at the time were killed.
    The government at the time distorted the incidents as a communist riot,... and covered up the truth behind the ruthless massacre.
    Years passed,... and the tragic incident faded from people's memories.

    Surviving family members of the victims shed tears in the dark, remembering the painful period of turmoil on the island,... with many failing to recover the remains of their loved ones.

    An official apology was only issued in 2003,... under the late Roh Moo-hyun administration.
    President Moon Jae-in pledged to continue the late President Roh's legacy,... and offered an emotional apology to the people of Jeju in 2018.

    And just last year in 2019 the South Korean police and the defense ministry apologized for the first time.
    A state-organized memorial ceremony has been held every year since 2014,... when April 3rd was designated as a national commemorative day.

    Kim Jae-hee, Arirang News.


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    Hoohoo and the chinkies will be delighted to hear that the US and the EU are indulging in a bit of multilateralism.



    BRUSSELS — The United States and the European Union reached a deal Tuesday to end a damaging dispute over subsidies to rival plane makers Boeing and Airbus and phase out billions of dollars in punitive tariffs, the U.S. trade envoy said.

    U.S. Trade Representative Katherine Tai said the two sides have come to terms on a five-year agreement to suspend the tariffs at the center of the dispute. She said they could be reimplemented if U.S. companies are not able to “compete fairly” with those in Europe.

    “Today’s announcement resolves a long-standing irritant in the U.S.-EU relationship,” Tai said, as President Joe Biden met with EU leaders in Brussels. “Instead of fighting with one of our closest allies, we are finally coming together against a common threat,” stressing it was time to put aside the fight and focus on China’s economic assertiveness.
    EU, U.S. reach deal to end Airbus-Boeing trade dispute

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    a bit of multilateralism
    Surely bilateral, two sovereign entities, agreeing on a draft. Which has yet to be ratified by their parliaments.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    U.S. Trade Representative Katherine Tai said
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    focus on China’s economic assertiveness.
    Bla, bla, bla

    No such assertion from the EU Spokesman:

    EU and US end Airbus-Boeing trade dispute after 17 years

    yesterday


    "The EU and US agreed to end a 17-year dispute over aircraft subsidies, lifting the threat of billions of dollars in punitive tariffs on their economies in a boost to transatlantic relations. Two days of intensive negotiations in Brussels led to a draft deal on how to handle subsidies for Airbus and Boeing, with the breakthrough finalised on Tuesday at US president Joe Biden’s first EU-US summit meeting in Brussels.

    “With this agreement, we are grounding the Airbus-Boeing dispute,” said EU trade commissioner Valdis Dombrovskis. “We now have time and space to find a lasting solution . . . while saving billions of euros in duties for importers on both sides of the Atlantic.”

    The deal takes the form of a five-year accord to suspend punitive tariffs linked to the original disagreement. Coupled with that is the creation of a minister-level working group to discuss subsidy limits and overcome any issues that may arise between the two sides. The intention is that disagreement never re-emerges, including for new aircraft models. The deal commits the EU and US to making sure R&D funding to aircraft makers will not “harm the other side”.

    The two sides also pledged to work together in “addressing non-market practices of third parties” — something officials said was a nod to concerns regarding China.

    “Both sides agree that it is wiser to put our disputes to rest and see how we [can] actually co-operate in this area, and how we work on ensuring a global level paying field,”

    Dombrovskis told the Financial Times.

    The EU trade commissioner said he was

    “confident that at the end of the day we will be able to put this dispute to rest completely”. He added:

    “It is already a very big step in that direction.”

    The deal was confirmed after being reviewed by Airbus’s three host countries in the EU — Germany, France and Spain.

    The French government said in a statement:

    “We can now focus on putting these disagreements behind us, and on defining the conditions of fair competition at the global level for state support to the aeronautic sector.”

    The breakthrough lifts a cloud of uncertainty hanging over the airline sector, and removes the threat that $11.5bn of EU and US consumer goods could again be hit with punitive tariffs. Those duties — on products ranging from French wine to US sugarcane molasses — were suspended after the EU and US agreed in March to lift them for four months and start negotiations on a solution.

    Airbus welcomed the agreement, saying it would provide

    “the basis to create a level-playing field”. The company added that the deal “will also avoid lose-lose tariffs that are only adding to the many challenges that our industry faces”.

    $7.5bn Extra tariffs imposed by the US on European goods in October 2019 The Airbus-Boeing dispute is one of the longest-running battles in the history of the World Trade Organization, and one both sides have acknowledged they can increasingly ill-afford as they seek closer co-operation to deal with China’s model of state capitalism.

    Dombrovskis held talks with US trade representative Katherine Tai and commerce secretary Gina Raimondo leading up to the summit, as both sides worked to get an agreement over the line. Companies on both sides of the Atlantic have long called for a solution. The matter took on greater urgency after the US targeted European exports worth $7.5bn with extra tariffs in October 2019, while the EU imposed additional duties on $4bn of US exports last year. Both sets of measures were in line with WTO rulings that favoured each side. But both the US and EU have also been found over the years to have failed to implement properly the WTO panel rulings on illegal subsidies for their aircraft manufacturing champions. One sticking point was that the nature of subsidies on each side of the Atlantic is very different, with EU officials pointing to sizeable US defence contracts as one example.

    Although the end of the dispute removes an important irritant in trade relations, others remain. Brussels last month held back from increasing tariffs on US goods as a goodwill gesture to help end Trump-era tariffs on European steel and aluminium. The two economies are also yet to fully bury their differences over digital taxes, with the issue now tied up with broader international talks."

    One presumes the "French government" statement:

    "We can now focus .... on defining the conditions of fair competition at the global level for state support to the aeronautic sector.”

    will include/be agreed by all airplane builders, around the world.

    Or are these groups, the EU and ameristan, G7, G20, UNGA, WTO be the entity to decide the future, "conditions of fair competition" ?

    I look forward to seeing how they intend to isolate each country's civil/military companies.

    To stop subsidising/sharing components, engines, systems, factories, staff, IP, financial resources, political support .... from each other.


    Last edited by OhOh; 16-06-2021 at 12:20 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Surely bilateral
    Yup - mainlander.

    When did you have your last glass of 'Cabernet Sauvignon wine'?

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    Told you he'd be delighted.


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