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    U.S. warns Venezuela, Cuba to turn away Iranian ships

    U.S. warns Venezuela, Cuba to turn away Iranian ships believed to be carrying arms

    06/09/2021 01:23 PM EDT

    "The Biden administration is urging Venezuela and Cuba to turn away two Iranian warships believed to be carrying arms intended for transfer to Caracas, while vowing that the U.S. will take “appropriate measures” to deter what it sees as a “threat” to America’s partners in the Western Hemisphere. The warnings — some public and some private, according to three people briefed on the situation — come as the vessels have traveled a significant distance across the Atlantic Ocean. A senior Biden administration official said the ships are thought to be carrying weapons to fulfill a deal that Iran and Venezuela made a year ago,noting that it was during the administration of former President Donald Trump.

    The official did not specify the types of weapons involved, but last summer there were reports that Venezuela was considering purchasing missiles from Iran, including long-range ones, and aides to Trump repeatedly warned Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro against such a move.

    The intelligence community, meanwhile, has evidence that one of the ships, the Makran, is carrying fast-attack boats, likely intended for sale to Venezuela, according to a defense official and another person familiar with the intelligence.

    Satellite imagery of the Makran from early May provided by Maxar Technologies showed seven such vessels placed on its deck, but it had been unclear whether those boats were still aboard when the ship began its journey.

    “The delivery of such weapons would be a provocative act and understood as a threat to our partners in the Western Hemisphere,” the senior administration official said in a statement to POLITICO. “We would reserve the right to take appropriate measures in coordination with our partners to deter the transit or delivery of such weapons.”

    The White House is pressuring Caracas and Havana over diplomatic channels not to allow the vessels to dock in their countries, said two defense officials and a congressional official, all of whom spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive negotiations. Biden officials are also proactively reaching out to other governments in the region to ensure they will turn away the ships, the congressional official said.

    Meanwhile, Caracas is trying to leverage the situation to gain relief from U.S. sanctions imposed by the Trump administration, according to two additional people familiar with the situation. U.S. intermediaries have communicated to Venezuelan officials that letting the ships dock there would make it less likely that the U.S. would provide the country with sanctions relief. However, Tehran is pushing forward with the journey in the hope of pressuring Caracas to allow the vessels to dock, according to a defense official.

    It was not immediately clear if the Biden administration also considered the weapons a threat to the U.S. itself. But if Venezuela agrees to allow the ships to dock and any weapons deal to go through, it would be a show of defiance toward the U.S. by two adversarial countries that have increased their cooperation as both face U.S. sanctions.

    The mere completion of a journey across the Atlantic would be a significant step for Iran’s navy, demonstrating the ships’ capabilities and potentially increasing Tehran’s access to the Western Hemisphere.

    The senior Biden official repeatedly pointed to events in the Trump era as a source for today’s troubles. Trump withdrew U.S. recognition of Maduro as Venezuela’s president, arguing he basically stole an election, then heaped sanctions on Caracas. Trump also withdrew the United States from the Iran nuclear deal and reimposed economic sanctions on Tehran.

    “The sale of the Iranian weapons happened one year ago under the previous [U.S.] administration and like many situations related to Iran under the previous administration — including the breakout of Iran’s nuclear program following the Trump administration’s reckless withdrawal from the [Iran nuclear deal] — we are working to resolve it through diplomacy,” the official said. “But to be clear, Iran sold weapons to Venezuela over a year ago, which we believe was to test the Trump administration’s maximum pressure posture.”

    Elliott Abrams, the Trump administration’s special envoy for Iran and Venezuela, dismissed the senior Biden administration official’s comment as “petty, political, and far more interested in blaming predecessors than in protecting U.S .national security.”
    “We all hope diplomacy works,” he added. “If it does not, this administration should get ready to act — not ready to blame more and more people for their inaction.”

    Representatives for the State Department and Pentagon did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

    U.S. officials have been monitoring the ships’ progress over the past two weeks from the Persian Gulf, down the east coast of Africa, around the Cape of Good Hope, and now heading northwest across the Atlantic. The Makran, a former oil tanker converted to a forward staging base, is accompanied by the Sahand, Iran’s newest frigate.

    As of Wednesday morning, the ships had completed more than half the journey from Iran to Venezuela, and were steaming slowly northwest more than 1,000 miles from Cape Town, South Africa, according to the second defense official, who was briefed on their position. This is the first time the Iranian navy has rounded the cape or gotten this far across the Atlantic.

    Lawmakers receiving regular briefings on the matter have been publicly pressuring the Biden administration to work to deter the ships.

    “This does not look like an oil or fuel cargo delivery,” Senate Intelligence Committee Vice Chair Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) wrote on Twitter. “This has all the markings of delivery on [sic] an arms sale (such as fast attack boats) to Venezuela coupled with the opportunity to project a message of strength to the Biden administration.”


    Some lawmakers, though, are skeptical that the back-channeling will work.

    “I think you should always try a diplomatic effort. But let’s be realistic,” Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.) said in a brief interview. “The Maduro regime and the Castro regime — they don’t work with us. They don’t respect their citizens. They don’t respect our government.”

    Farzin Nadimi of The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, who focuses on Iran’s naval strategy and defense industries, said his greatest concern regarding the possible delivery of fast attack boats to Venezuela would involve training.

    “If Iran helps Venezuela develop tactics similar to those practiced by the [Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps] in the Persian Gulf region, that could have in my view serious repercussions in the future,” he said.

    Iranian fast attack boats recently swarmed U.S. Coast Guard cutters in the Persian Gulf, POLITICO reported. And in 2016, IRGC fast boats seized a U.S. Navy boat in the Gulf, creating an embarrassment for the American military.

    Kirsten Fontenrose, an Atlantic Council fellow and former National Security Council official during the Trump administration who focused on the Middle East, said the expiration of the UN arms embargo on Iran means this move could be followed by more exports of military equipment.

    “The threat is the precedent it sets, because the UN arms embargo is no longer on Iran and they’re free to import and export,” she said. “This could be the first of many transfers we see. It allows Iran to proliferate their model of what I call zero to hero, where they arm failing governments or proxy groups and make them larger than they’re capable of being on their own, and they create these affiliates around the world that are able to threaten American interests.”

    Fontenrose added that America’s transatlantic allies are unlikely to become particularly involved in U.S. efforts to manage the growing challenge.

    “We’ll have to deal with this on our own,” she said.

    U.S. warns Venezuela, Cuba to turn away Iranian ships believed to be carrying arms - POLITICO

    It appears that "Freedom of Navigation in International Waters" and possible weapons supplies are only "RULES" for unexceptional regimes.
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    A snip from a certain ex ameristani government officials statement:

    "The world will not allow Beijing to treat the South China Sea as its maritime empire. America stands with our Southeast Asian allies and partners in protecting their sovereign rights to offshore resources, consistent with their rights and obligations under international law.

    We stand with the international community in defense of freedom of the seas and respect for sovereignty and reject any push to impose “might makes right” in the South China Sea or the wider region."

    http://Statement by Secretary Michael R. Pompeo, U.S. Position on Maritime Claims in the South China Sea


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    If an Iranian vessel docks in either Venezuela, Cuba or any other nation with their invitation, that is no business of the bloody yanks. Pull yer damn head in. Or do you want to see our naval vessels being threatened or maybe even sunk for visiting Taiwan or Okinawa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    If an Iranian vessel docks in either Venezuela, Cuba or any other nation with their invitation, that is no business of the bloody yanks. Pull yer damn head in. Or do you want to see our naval vessels being threatened or maybe even sunk for visiting Taiwan or Okinawa?
    The Yanks, and their expanding empire, consider it wholly their business.
    The greater problem is that such activities are quite accepted by the commons.
    Creepy.

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    But if they carry weapons cargo, that's quite unusual around the world, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    U.S. warns Venezuela, Cuba to turn away Iranian ships
    believed to be carrying arms
    Doubtless ohno couldn't fit all of the title in.

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    This should be in the JCPOA thread.

    It's clearly part of the negotiations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Elliott Abrams, the Trump administration’s special envoy for Iran and Venezuela, dismissed the senior Biden administration official’s comment as “petty, political, and far more interested in blaming predecessors than in protecting U.S .national security.”
    “We all hope diplomacy works,” he added. “If it does not, this administration should get ready to act — not ready to blame more and more people for their inaction.”
    Mr Abrams makes a very good point.

    This whole situation seems related to some kind of resurrection of the Monroe Doctrine.

    This ship and where it goes is none of the damned business of the Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    Mr Abrams makes a very good point.

    This whole situation seems related to some kind of resurrection of the Monroe Doctrine.

    This ship and where it goes is none of the damned business of the Americans.
    Who gives a fuck what the bald orange cunto and his lackies think?

    They were a fucking disaster and caused this mess in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Who gives a fuck what the bald orange cunto and his lackies think?

    They were a fucking disaster and caused this mess in the first place.
    But the Elliot Abrams - beside that he is one of the "lackies" [sic] of "the bald orange cunto" - surely does know how to do a "diplomacy" in Central America, doesn't he?

    And I do not remember that harry would be so excited by him last year when he (Mr. Abrams) made a "diplomacy" with Maduro...

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    Iranian ships once believed to be headed toward Venezuela change course, U.S. officials say

    The Iranian navy ships believed to be originally headed toward Venezuela changed course early this week and are now steaming north up the west coast of Africa, U.S. officials said.

    The ships, which U.S. officials believe may have been preparing to conduct an arms transfer, have appeared to change course several times during their journey from Iran — and could do so again. But after the course change early this week, they are likely now headed either into the Mediterranean — potentially planning to sail off of Syria — or north toward Russia, according to a defense official briefed on the situation, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive subject.

    U.S. officials believe the course change indicates that a diplomatic campaign to urge governments in the Western Hemisphere to turn away the ships was successful, the official said. The Iranian frigate Sahand and afloat staging base Makran charted a new course after Biden administration officials publicly and privately urged the governments of Venezuela, Cuba and other countries in the region not to allow them to dock, POLITICO reported.
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    Still negotiating then.

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    I think the US Intelligence services must subscribe to one (or more) of several public databases, that tell you the given location of most every ship anywhere. Very clever. Regrettably they seemed to have missed an earlier seafaring manual in which it is described how ships can, and often do, change course. Nevertheless- now that it's use as a potentially deadly invasion flotilla headed towards America has been exhausted, perhaps we should try blaming it for spreading Covid. Or catching too many fish, or using slave labour, or spitting in the street (fair cop), or staging an incursion in outer woop woop. C'mon gods chill'un, drink that ade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I think the US Intelligence services must subscribe to one (or more) of several public databases, that tell you the given location of most every ship anywhere. Very clever. Regrettably they seemed to have missed an earlier seafaring manual in which it is described how ships can, and often do, change course. Nevertheless- now that it's use as a potentially deadly invasion flotilla headed towards America has been exhausted, perhaps we should try blaming it for spreading Covid. Or catching too many fish, or using slave labour, or spitting in the street (fair cop), or staging an incursion in outer woop woop. C'mon gods chill'un, drink that ade.


    Panama's Maritime Authority said it will impose sanctions on vessels, including fines of up to $10,000 (Dh36,750) and withdrawing its flag from the ship, if they deliberately deactivate, tamper or alter the operation of their tracking transponders.
    The issue of ships disabling tracking equipment – designed for safety at sea and to prevent ships colliding – has come to the fore in recent months as a method employed by vessels seeking to avoid US sanctions for shipping Iranian oil.
    Panama to fine ships $10,000 for turning off location systems | The National

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