Thread: Remains of 215 children found at Canadian Indigenous school

Originally Posted by pickel

To know child mortality rates children's deaths have to be registered, and not buried in unmarked graves outside a school designed to de-indian them, run by an organization with a history of child abuse.

Are you seriously calling all the victims that testified liars?

I doubt every child in the general population got a proper funeral and burial in the 1800's in Winnipeg of all places

Originally Posted by Backspin

I doubt every child in the general population got a proper funeral and burial in the 1800's in Winnipeg of all places

Especially the ones where a crime was involved, you fucking plank.

Originally Posted by elche

Your ignorance of what is happening in my country is beyond belief. FYI, the TRC board was made up of two natives (Murray Sinclair and Wilton Littlechild)
and one native sympathizer (Marie Wilson) who solicited testimony from any and everyone who had a story, true or not. It was nothing but a political ploy set up by the government of the day to win the native vote. It has largely been discredited by those who work outside of the compensation industry. If you had any common sense, you would realize there is no RCMP investigation into these claims for the simple reason that there is no evidence of criminal activity, as insinuated by the TRC and its followers.

If you knew anything about residential schools outside of what you read from those making a claim, you would know that child mortality rates across this world were astronomical up until the 1920s. In Canada, child mortality rates fluctuated between a high of 300 to as low as 5 per 1000 during this period. In the worst case, that means nearly one third of all children died regardless of where they lived. In fact, child mortality rates in residential schools were actually lower than the broader population in Canada, if you average the number of deaths in residential schools from when they opened, as early as the late 1880's to when they were closed.
• Canada: child mortality rate 1830-2020 | Statista

But continue with your ignorant rant, you parroting jackass.

This is just your ridiculous fucking opinion and ignores the facts.

It is evidenced by you providing figures that include infant mortality you witless fucking simian.

The child mortality rate in Canada, for children under the age of five, was 333 deaths per thousand births in the year 1830. This means that one third of all children born in 1830 did not make it to their fifth birthday.

As for your feeble attempts at trying to discredit the commission, it shows you have a hidden agenda and a nonsensical bias.

I wonder why.

Originally Posted by pickel

Especially the ones where a crime was involved, you fucking plank.

So you really think that there was crime involved with all of these deaths ?
You aren't really grasping how different life was up in buttfuck nowhere Northern Canada in the 18 freaking 100's. Did they even have hydraulics up there at the time ? Probably not.

It was probably considered dignifying to get your body put under ground properly at all. It would surely be easier to dump them on the surface in the woods.

Originally Posted by Backspin

So you really think that there was crime involved with all of these deaths ?

Did I say "all"? It was a crime that they were there in the first place.

You might think it makes you look edgy by playing devils advocate for the Catholic church, but it just makes you look like an even bigger idiot than you already appear.

Originally Posted by pickel

It was a crime that they were there in the first place.

I agree
They had their reasons then
Assimilation

Originally Posted by pickel

devils advocate for the Catholic church

Not me

Any numbers for the other churches who ran schools ?

They shouldn't walk free, if they are as guilty


Has Canada been hit hard by tuberculosis in the arctic?

40 years ago I got exrayed before I could go to Greenland.

In the 1950ies Greenland had the world record in that awful illness

Still has a bit

Tuberculosis will kill kids if they are neglected

Originally Posted by Norton

As I stated earlier, we had suspicions what was happening and had happened in the Indian Residential Schools. Suspicions all based on hearsay so useless.

As they say, where there is smoke there is fire…

Originally Posted by elche

You're blaming the teachers and nuns for the deaths in schools.

the ones in whose care they were placed??? You’re fucking right I am!

Originally Posted by Norton

As I stated earlier, we had suspicions what was happening and had happened in the Indian Residential Schools. Suspicions all based on hearsay so useless.

Probably because people had forgotten about

Dr. Bryce Report 1907, Medical Inspector, Department of Indian Affairs

Originally Posted by pickel

Did I say "all"? It was a crime that they were there in the first place.

You might think it makes you look edgy by playing devils advocate for the Catholic church, but it just makes you look like an even bigger idiot than you already appear.

That's the same argument that was made about mental institutions. Which were all closed down in the 70's.

Now these people live in the streets like animals

Originally Posted by Backspin

That's the same argument that was made about mental institutions. Which were all closed down in the 70's.

Now these people live in the streets like animals

Huh?????

Originally Posted by pickel

Huh?????

......
Reagan done it!

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

This is just your ridiculous fucking opinion and ignores the facts.

It is evidenced by you providing figures that include infant mortality you witless fucking simian.





As for your feeble attempts at trying to discredit the commission, it shows you have a hidden agenda and a nonsensical bias.

I wonder why.

Nice try. Copying and pasting posters that misrepresent child mortality rates is a tactic of propagandists and ranting jackasses like you. FYI, whatever the rates of child mortality were in residential schools in the first half of the 20th century, they were no different than the rest of the country. Disease, pandemics and viruses such as small pox, TB, influenza etc were the largest contributing factors to child mortality rates right across Canada, including those in residential schools, a fact that even the native TRC couldn't hide. Blaming the teachers, nuns and RCC for these deaths is no different than blaming covid deaths on Hillary and the Chinese. If these insinuations had any merit, the RCMP would have investigated them a long time ago. Playing politics undermines those who have a legitimate claim.

Originally Posted by elche

Nice try. Copying and pasting posters that misrepresent child mortality rates is a tactic of propagandists and ranting jackasses like you. FYI, whatever the rates of child mortality were in residential schools in the first half of the 20th century, they were no different than the rest of the country. Disease, pandemics and viruses such as small pox, TB, influenza etc were the largest contributing factors to child mortality rates right across Canada, including those in residential schools, a fact that even the native TRC couldn't hide. Blaming the teachers, nuns and RCC for these deaths is no different than blaming covid deaths on Hillary and the Chinese. If these insinuations had any merit, the RCMP would have investigated them a long time ago. Playing politics undermines those who have a legitimate claim.

You appear to living in a little bead rattling dream world.

Originally Posted by elche

Nice try. Copying and pasting posters that misrepresent child mortality rates is a tactic of propagandists and ranting jackasses like you. FYI, whatever the rates of child mortality were in residential schools in the first half of the 20th century, they were no different than the rest of the country. Disease, pandemics and viruses such as small pox, TB, influenza etc were the largest contributing factors to child mortality rates right across Canada, including those in residential schools, a fact that even the native TRC couldn't hide. Blaming the teachers, nuns and RCC for these deaths is no different than blaming covid deaths on Hillary and the Chinese. If these insinuations had any merit, the RCMP would have investigated them a long time ago. Playing politics undermines those who have a legitimate claim.

Are you really claiming that these deaths are completely normal and the deaths rates are not elevated at all?

Even the kiddie fiddlers aren't trying that one.

Originally Posted by TheRealKW

Are you really claiming that these deaths are completely normal and the deaths rates are not elevated at all?

I don't believe that is what he's saying, no. He's trying to point out that the propagandists are comparing todays mortality to that of the 1800's in northern Canada.

Originally Posted by pickel

Huh?????

You are implying that closing the schools is going to make the first nations dysfunction go away. It doesn't. They went from being in these schools to let loose in the reserves. Which probably wasn't exactly ideal for their mortality either.

Originally Posted by Backspin

You are implying that closing the schools is going to make the first nations dysfunction go away. It doesn't. They went from being in these schools to let loose in the reserves. Which probably wasn't exactly ideal for their mortality either.

Now you're just pulling shit out of your ass.

Originally Posted by pickel

Now you're just pulling shit out of your ass.

What do you mean "now"?

That's all the sad little twat ever does.

Imams in Canada express solidarity with Indigenous people

Muslim leaders across Canada offer condolences for Indigenous community after discovery of graves at residential schools.

Recently installed solar lights mark burial sites on Cowessess First Nation, where a search had found 751 unmarked graves from the former Marieval Indian Residential School near Grayson, Saskatchewan, Canada [Shannon VanRaes/Reuters]By Hilary Beaumont
9 Jul 2021






Toronto, Canada —“All of us should feel the pain of the Indigenous community here … because we have seen what imperialism does to our countries back home,” Aarij Anwer, Imam of the London Muslim Mosque in Ontario, said during Friday’s prayer, livestreamed on social media.
On Friday, Anwer was one of 75 Imams across Canada who offered condolences and expressed solidarity with Indigenous people following the discoveries of unmarked graves, now totalling more than 1,000, at forced-assimilation institutions known as residential schools.
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The Canadian Council of Imams and Justice For All Canada led the coordinated effort to raise awareness. In a statement, the Imams wrote, “The discovery of hundreds-upon-hundreds of graves of innocent children — stolen from their families, abused, tortured and starved in the name of European imperialism — has left us numb with pain and shame.”
During prayer, Anwer called upon his fellow Muslims to show solidarity with Indigenous people, sharing the story of his grandfather fleeing Delhi after the 1947 British-sanctioned partition of India and Pakistan. “All of you have similar stories, I can guarantee you that,” he said. “So if any community should feel the pain of imperialism and colonialism and brutal murder, it should be us. And that’s why our sympathies for the Indigenous should be even more, our support for them should be even more, because we know what that feels like.”



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From the late 1800s until 1996, Canada forcibly removed 150,000 Indigenous children from their homes and kept them in institutions run by church staff, who cut their long hair, and forbade them from speaking their languages or practicing their cultures. Many were physically and sexually abused. They were tortured in an electric chair, starved, and put through nutritional experiments.
The Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC), in a years-long inquiry to document thousands of survivors’ stories, described the institutions as “incubators of disease” where many children died of tuberculosis. Some died from exposure after escaping the jail-like conditions; some died in fires because, to stop children from running away, the institutions ignored instructions to run fire drills or install fire escapes.
The TRC identified 4,100 children who died at the schools, though experts believe the true number is much higher. The purpose of the institutions was to kill Indigenous culture to make land and resources available to settlers. The TRC concluded the practice was “cultural genocide”.
Anwer said he felt compelled to act on a human level and because his faith instructs him to stand with the oppressed, and against the oppressor. “It should disgust everyone who reads about this,” Anwer told Al Jazeera. “They saw these people as sub-human, our Indigenous family.”
More than 1000 unmarked graves have been found across Canada including 751 at Marieval Indian Residential School near Grayson, Saskatchewan [Shannon VanRaes/Reuters]Anwer said many Canadians still do not realize the level of atrocity that was committed in these institutions. “I don’t even remember reading about this in school,” he said over the phone Friday. “I remember reading about D-Day, confederation, John A. Macdonald, all these figures, but I think it was merely a footnote in history books, if even mentioned. As Canadians, we have to face this reckoning of this dark history this country was built upon.“It’s not something that we brush under the rug,” he added.
Friday afternoon, Taha Ghayyur, executive director of Justice For All Canada, delivered a sermon at a mosque in Mississauga, Ontario. As he explained what happened in residential “schools,” some people in the audience nodded, others looked upset, and a few widened their eyes in surprise. Ghayyur said people approached him after to express that they had heard about the recent discoveries of mass graves, but had no idea why this was happening.
“It needs to start with awareness, and this is why acknowledgement is the first step,” Ghayyur said. “Symbolically, it’s a very powerful statement coming from religious leadership.”




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Ghayyur said Muslim communities can relate to this — from Palestinians to Rohingya people to the Uighur community. He said Uighur people in Canada told him they were “reliving” experiences of mass detention camps in Xinjiang as they learned about residential “schools” in Canada.
Addressing Indigenous communities, Ghayyur said: “We share your pain — we do not know your pain — but we would like to be there in solidarity with you.”
“We stand with them, because they have been wronged,” Anwer said at the mosque Friday. “And we will have to, as a community, find the courage to stand up to the status quo that allowed this to happen.”


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/9/imams-in-canada-express-solidarity-with-indigenous-people

Now that's rich. The outfit that hasn't eliminated female circumcision is getting on its high horse.

And KW would be the one to post this insult

Call comes after more than 1,000 unmarked graves found at institutions Indigenous children were forced to attend.


Recent discoveries of unmarked graves on the grounds of former residential schools have renewed pain and trauma for Indigenous people in Canada [File: Shannon VanRaes/Reuters]31 Jul 2021

Warning: The story below contains details of residential schools that may be upsetting. Canada’s Indian Residential School Survivors and Family Crisis Line is available 24 hours a day at 1-866-925-4419.

Hundreds of people took part in a rally in the Canadian capital on Saturday to demand an independent investigation into the “residential schools” that Indigenous children were forced to attend for nearly a century and where hundreds of unmarked graves have been discovered in recent weeks.


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The March for Truth and Justice rally on Parliament Hill in Ottawa was led by New Democratic Party legislators Charlie Angus and Mumilaaq Qaqqaq, who represents the northern territory of Nunavut.
“We need to come together and tell the federal institution and Justin Trudeau that enough is enough: Indigenous Peoples need truth and justice,” Qaqqaq wrote in an Instagram post ahead of the event.
“That means a special prosecutor and a fully-funded independent investigation, with international observers present, into Canada’s crimes against Indigenous peoples.”

More than 1,000 unmarked graves have been discovered on the grounds of former residential schools across Canada since late May, renewing intergenerational trauma and pain for Indigenous people.

Between the late 1800s and the 1990s, more than 150,000 First Nation, Metis and Inuit children were forcibly separated from their families and forced to attend residential schools, which aimed to “assimilate” them into white Canadian society.

The government-funded, church-run institutions were rife with abuse and more than 4,000 children are believed to have died there.

Indigenous community leaders have said there is little doubt that more unmarked graves exist, and they have called on the Canadian government and the Catholic Church, which operated most of the institutions, to help them fund searches for more unmarked graves.

They also demanded that Canada and the church release any documentation that could help identify any remains that are discovered at the sites.
A federal commission of inquiry found that Canada had committed “cultural genocide” through its residential schools system and, in 2015, it issued 94 Calls to Action to address the lasting harms of the policy.


But very few of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission’s recommendations have been completed to date – and Indigenous people in Canada, as well as international observers, have called on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to do more.

Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs Canada told Al Jazeera in an email last month that the 2019 budget provided 33.8 million Canadian dollars ($28m) over three years to support the recommendations on deaths at the schools specifically.


Trudeau and his ministers also have reiterated that they remain committed to supporting First Nation communities in their efforts.
Still, a group of United Nations experts last month urged Canada and the Catholic Church to conduct “prompt and thorough” investigations into the deaths, including forensic examination of the remains, and work to identify and register the missing children.

“The judiciary should conduct criminal investigations into all suspicious death and allegations of torture and sexual violence against children hosted in residential schools, and prosecute and sanction the perpetrators and concealers who may still be alive,” they said at that time.

Indigenous community leaders also have called on police to lay criminal charges against the Canadian government, churches and individual perpetrators of crimes committed in the institutions. Others have encouraged the International Criminal Court (ICC) to open an investigation.


SOURCE: AL JAZEERA

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...ential-schools

Pope Francis is expected to apologise to Canada's Indigenous people this week for missionaries' abuse at state-funded Christian schools.
Key points:

• Indigenous leaders called for a papal apology to be delivered on Canadian soil in 2015
• Pope Francis will meet with Indigenous survivors of abuse at the site of a former state-funded Christian school
• About 150,000 Indigenous children were forced to attend the schools from the 19th century to the 1970s

His historic visit to Canada is considered a key step in the Catholic Church's efforts to reconcile with native communities and help them heal from generations of trauma.
Pope Francis said it was a "penitential voyage" and urged prayers in particular for elderly people and grandparents.
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Canada's first Indigenous Governor-General, Mary Simon, welcomed Pope Francis to Alberta on Sunday.
He will meet with survivors on Monday near the site of a former residential school in Maskwacis, where he is expected to deliver an apology.
However, Indigenous groups are seeking more than just words.
They are pressing for access to church archives to learn the fate of children who never returned home from the residential schools.
Grand Chief George Arcand Junior of the Confederacy of Treaty Six First Nations said they wanted justice for the abusers, financial reparations and the return of Indigenous artefacts held by the Vatican.
"Right now, many of our people are sceptical and they are hurt," he said
He said he hoped that with the papal apology "we could begin our journey of healing … and change the way things have been for our people for many, many years".


Pope Francis greets residential school survivor Elder Vicki Arcand of the Alexander First Nation.(Nathan Denette: The Canadian Press via AP)Truth commission called for papal apology in 2015

Pope Francis's visit follows meetings at the Vatican with delegations from the First Nations, Métis and Inuit.
Those meetings culminated with a historic apology on April 1 for the "deplorable" abuses committed by some Catholic missionaries in residential schools.
The Canadian government has admitted that physical and sexual abuse was rampant in the state-funded Christian schools that operated from the 19th century to the 1970s.
About 150,000 Indigenous children were taken from their families and forced to attend the schools in an effort to assimilate them into Canada's Christian society.
In 2008, then-prime minister Stephen Harper issued a formal apology.
As part of a lawsuit settlement, Canada paid reparations that amounted to billions of dollars being transferred to Indigenous communities.
Canada's Catholic Church said its dioceses and religious orders had provided more than $CAN50 million ($56m) in cash and in-kind contributions, and hoped to add $CAN30 million more over the next five years.
Canada's Truth and Reconciliation Commission called for a papal apology to be delivered on Canadian soil in 2015.
The Vatican made plans to comply with the request in 2021 after the possible remains of about 200 children were found at a former residential school in British Columbia.
"I honestly believe that if it wasn't for the discovery … and all the spotlight that was placed on the oblates [missionaries] or the Catholic Church as well, I don't think any of this would have happened," head archivist at the National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation, Raymond Frogner said.
Reverend Cristino Bouvette, who is coordinating the papal visit and is partly of Indigenous heritage, said he hoped the visit was healing for those who "have borne a wound, a cross that they have suffered with, in some cases for generations."
Leaders want Pope's help to extradite priest

The Inuit community is seeking the Vatican's help in extraditing priest Reverend Joannes Rivoire, who ministered to Inuit communities until he returned to France in the 1990s.
Canadian authorities issued an arrest warrant for him in 1998 on accusations of several counts of sexual abuse, but it has never been served.
Inuit leader Natan Obed said he personally asked Pope Francis for the Vatican's help in extraditing Reverend Rivoire.
He said extraditing Reverend Rivoire was one specific thing the Vatican could do to bring healing to his many victims.
When asked about the request, Vatican spokesman Matteo Bruni said he had no information on the case.



Pope Francis set to apologise for abuse of Canadian Indigenous people in Christian schools - ABC News

remove the spaces to find the link. dunno why it wont post on TD. :

https://www .abc. net .au /news/2022-07-25/pope-expected-to-apologise-to-indigenous-candians-for-abuse/101265704