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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I can only assume we have some bead rattlers in our ranks who don't like hearing the truth, otherwise they would know that there is a pattern to the kiddie fiddlers crimes against humanity (and that's what they are).
    Talk about jumping to conclusions. Who needs evidence? If it appeared to happen in the past somewhere, it must have happened here too, right? Guilty before trial and shoot first, ask questions later. To suggest without any evidence that the children at the Kamloops Indian school were sexually and/or physically abused by teachers and administrators is something we would expect from the QAnon crowd.

    Btw, I have no desire to defend the church. Some of us just want the truth. Anything less and we would be pandering to those demanding compensation where no compensation is deserved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elche View Post
    To suggest without any evidence that the children at the Kamloops Indian school were sexually and/or physically abused by teachers and administrators is something we would expect from the QAnon crowd.
    Former students of residential schools have spoken of horrendous abuse at the hands of residential school staff: physical, sexual, emotional, and psychological.
    The Residential School System

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    The one thing that I hope we can all agree on regardless of cause or blame is that abuse of any child is unacceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elche View Post
    Talk about jumping to conclusions. Who needs evidence? If it appeared to happen in the past somewhere, it must have happened here too, right? Guilty before trial and shoot first, ask questions later. To suggest without any evidence that the children at the Kamloops Indian school were sexually and/or physically abused by teachers and administrators is something we would expect from the QAnon crowd.

    Btw, I have no desire to defend the church. Some of us just want the truth. Anything less and we would be pandering to those demanding compensation where no compensation is deserved.
    "Appeared to happen"?

    Are you fucking illiterate?

    It was exactly the same kind of institution, the neglect and abuse was near identical and the only difference is that the pikey kiddie fiddlers managed to bury several hundred more bodies.

    The final report of the Commission was submitted to the Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration & Youth on 30 October 2020, and was published on 12 January 2021. The report detailed an "appalling level of infant mortality at mother-and-baby homes," and said "in the years before 1960 mother-and-baby homes did not save the lives of 'illegitimate' children; in fact, they appear to have significantly reduced their prospects of survival", stating that 9,000 children had died in the 18 institutions covered by the Commission's terms of reference, between 1922 and 1998 - an infant mortality rate almost double that of the general population - and one in seven died.
    What about that "appeared to have happened" you silly sod?


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    They’ll continue to obscufate and deny, it’s almost as if they have an interest in the matter…

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Thats informative. Basically slaves and free labour in horrible conditions.

    Bryce reported that anywhere from 47 percent (on the Peigan Reserve in Alberta) to 75 percent (from File Hills Boarding School in Saskatchewan) of students discharged from residential schools died shortly after returning home.

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    Of course and what is staggering on TD is that is had taken over 100 posts to agree on this, the OP was enough surely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Former students of residential schools have spoken of horrendous abuse at the hands of residential school staff: physical, sexual, emotional, and psychological.
    No one is saying that abuse did not happen at residential schools, but making such a statement about all residential schools is a hasty generalization. I personally know several FN elders very well and that was not their experience while in residential school.

    More importantly, painting all residential schools with the same brush undermines any legitimate claims to abuse.
    Last edited by elche; 05-06-2021 at 05:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    "Appeared to happen"?

    Are you fucking illiterate?

    It was exactly the same kind of institution, the neglect and abuse was near identical and the only difference is that the pikey kiddie fiddlers managed to bury several hundred more bodies.

    The final report of the Commission was submitted to the Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration & Youth on 30 October 2020, and was published on 12 January 2021. The report detailed an "appalling level of infant mortality at mother-and-baby homes," and said "in the years before 1960 mother-and-baby homes did not save the lives of 'illegitimate' children; in fact, they appear to have significantly reduced their prospects of survival", stating that 9,000 children had died in the 18 institutions covered by the Commission's terms of reference, between 1922 and 1998 - an infant mortality rate almost double that of the general population - and one in seven died.
    Repeating falsehoods and logical fallacies doesn't make them true. And your hysterical and asinine reply is not out of character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    They’ll continue to obscufate and deny, it’s almost as if they have an interest in the matter…
    You haven't even answered my question. I wonder why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elche View Post
    215 children over a time span of over 75 years works out to between 2-3 children/year on average. In defense of the church, let's not forget the fact that we have had 3 major influenza outbreaks during that time frame in 1918, 1957 and 1968 and a handful of minor ones. This was at a time when little could be done and millions died. People are jumping to conclusions that the RC church and administrators were killing children on site. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Puts things into context. I really wasn't sure what to think of it all. Not that these weren't rough places. But the tone around this story implies that groups of kids were frog marched out back and shot. People really think this is some equivalent to Stalin or Hitlers graveyards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    But the tone around this story implies that groups of kids were frog marched out back and shot
    Keeping making stuff up.

    Quote Originally Posted by elche View Post
    You haven't even answered my question. I wonder why?
    What question? I see a lot of obfuscation and avoidance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elche View Post
    No one is saying that abuse did not happen at residential schools, but making such a statement about all residential schools is a hasty generalization. I personally know several FN elders very well and that was not their experience while in residential school.

    More importantly, painting all residential schools with the same brush undermines any legitimate claims to abuse.
    Straight out of the Catholic Church's or Boy Scouts' defence against pedofile priests and scout masters. Nobody said all, but it's clearly endemic to many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    Straight out of the Catholic Church's or Boy Scouts' defence against pedofile priests and scout masters. Nobody said all, but it's clearly endemic to many.

    First it was 'that didn't happen', then 'that didn't happen everywhere', like that means it's nothing to worry about.

    His over-defensiveness, minimising and back pedalling is utterly repellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    His over-defensiveness, minimising and back pedalling is utterly repellent.
    I have read all replies carefully and no evidence of that whatsoever Cy.

    You used to keep slightly better company Cy.

    Slumming it are we?


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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Nobody is suggesting it was that extreme.
    Nobody has excavated the grave-like anomalies to confirm they are graves? Until then everything is speculation. I suspect the local first nations will not excavate and will continue with the current dialog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post

    His over-defensiveness, minimising and back pedalling is utterly repellent.
    That's what is said about anyone who isn't 100% on board with the latest and greatest moral panic.

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    All we have currently are the 215 bodies at the Kamloops institution plus tons of speculation regarding the others. The Kamloops band today indicated that the investigation will be allowed to proceed but only at the rate the local tribe sees fit.

    The federal government has closed the air space over the institution because of the many news organizations and other groups who have rented small planes and helicopters to spy on the proceeding there. It's really a terrible shame . The local band council has asked the public to be respectful but, similar to couple of posters here they are too thick skinned to head that advice preferring instead their own shrill commentary on the issue. Nothing new in that.

    Elche has tried to present a balanced and rationale commentary on this tragedy and instead of gaining some support of members of the forum members seem always cowed by the Mutt Pack and Associates. Fvcking sad commentary indeed. Grow a pair fellas.





    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    Of course and what is staggering on TD is that is had taken over 100 posts to agree on this, the OP was enough surely?
    Probably right Strigils.

    Perhaps not very realistic for this place though.
    A true diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a manner that you will be asking for directions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    latest and greatest moral panic.
    The potential deaths of hundreds of FN children is not just moral panic.

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    ^Drama Queens R Us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Chinese media has jumped on it.
    Is anybody surprised? There are so many cases they can make use of... (Or will they just humbly succumb to double standard?)

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    Are you going to fill this thread with indecipherable shit too?

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    ^Afraid that I do not include you in mt fan club?

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