Thread: Remains of 215 children found at Canadian Indigenous school

Originally Posted by havnfun

The church is not the problem, Jesus said the church of Christ is two people together"we are the church" then what happened?

How tf does that support your contention that 'the church is not the problem'?

my church is me and a connection to Jesus, This is the way its taught in the bible, The so called church of the last 1500 years is nothing but narcissists trying to control people or to gain wealth. that is the problem

Oh right.

So like that 'Irish problems - nothing to do with religion. Middle Eastern problems - everything to do with religion' thing.

Just thinking. Is it possible the children were the victims of the 1918 Spanish Flu?

Originally Posted by havnfun

my church is me and a connection to Jesus, This is the way its taught in the bible, The so called church of the last 1500 years is nothing but narcissists trying to control people or to gain wealth. that is the problem

So you were taught that in the Bible? The same ancient text authored by confused men whose words have no relevance to life now, the same people who turned it into what you claim is the problem?

Did you think that one all the way through?

Anyways, tax the churches and give the money to the indigenous peoples they helped to destroy.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

hope to hell Kamloops is not going to have a legacy associated with the 215 children. That's ugly beyond description.

yes, getting a bad reputation would be simply awful, much worse than say having your child stolen from you, placed into state care to have their culture, language and ways besten out of them, then losing contact with said child because they died and were buried in an unmarked and secret grave...much worse!


#prayforthepoorwhitepeople

Originally Posted by elche

The Catholic Church was involved in the running of the school,

Just as an aside, the Catholic church controlled the residential schools up until 1969, which then the federal government took over which closed the final school in 1996. There were 136 residential schools in Canada and about 150,000 children that attended them who faced physical, sexual and emotional abuse (and death obviously),not mentioning the stripping of their culture, and language from them.

Then these children grew up, and the vicious circle of abuse, drugs, and poverty pervaded many reserves and still do for many.

Originally Posted by pickel

Systemic racism may be the cause of poverty and alcoholism in Native communities, but what are social workers supposed to do with children neglected or abused by alcoholic parents?

This is a very deep issue and I'd highly suggest reading this and the other suggested ones on the right hand side. There is more to it than just social workers taking children.

How Canada Created a Crisis in Indigenous Child Welfare | The Tyee

Originally Posted by MarilynMonroe

There is more to it than just social workers taking children.

Yes, there is. The key phrase Pickel used may have been 'systemic racism', that you quoted.

She didn't answer my question either.

215 children over a time span of over 75 years works out to between 2-3 children/year on average. In defense of the church, let's not forget the fact that we have had 3 major influenza outbreaks during that time frame in 1918, 1957 and 1968 and a handful of minor ones. This was at a time when little could be done and millions died. People are jumping to conclusions that the RC church and administrators were killing children on site. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Originally Posted by elche

Nothing could be further from the truth.

So you've dug them up and had a look then?

Originally Posted by elche

215 children over a time span of over 75 years works out to between 2-3 children/year on average. In defense of the church, let's not forget the fact that we have had 3 major influenza outbreaks during that time frame in 1918, 1957 and 1968 and a handful of minor ones. This was at a time when little could be done and millions died.

Explain why they were buried in unmarked graves then?

Originally Posted by pickel

So you've dug them up and had a look then?

Of course not, but are you suggesting that the church was systematically killing children, chopping off heads in the basement of the school and disposing of the bodies out the back, like a killing field?

And the unmarked graves? I don't know? But that doesn't explain the deaths. Unmarked graves are not uncommon btw.

I'm not trying to defend any potential wrong doing. But I'd like to know the causes of death. And I'm finding that we are jumping to conclusions right now.

dunno about 'we', but you definitely jumped to a conclusion...

Originally Posted by elche

People are jumping to conclusions that the RC church and administrators were killing children on site. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Originally Posted by elche

People are jumping to conclusions that the RC church and administrators were killing children on site. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Given the kiddie fiddlers track record in such matters, I suspect nothing could be closer to the truth.

Originally Posted by elche

Are you aware of what the FN leaders of Canada have stated?

I'm aware that you actually stated in post 67 that people are jumping to conclusions and then proceeded to jump to a conclusion.

Originally Posted by elche

If it's not viruses and diseases taking these children, what is it?

Hopefully investigations will lead to conclusions.

What part of that is unclear?

Originally Posted by elche

Of course not, but are you suggesting that the church was systematically killing children, chopping off heads in the basement of the school and disposing of the bodies out the back, like a killing field?

Nobody is suggesting it was that extreme.

Originally Posted by elche

Unmarked graves are not uncommon btw.

Especially when crimes were committed.

I saw - some time ago, long before this grizzly discovery - on French TV5 a report by a Canadian state TV about these schools. And about the actions of the former pupils - who are now in their retirement age - to find their real parents, recalling what all they had been through, it was really not a pleasant sighting...

Originally Posted by Klondyke

I saw -

Of course you did . . . what a coincidence.

Originally Posted by elche

215 children over a time span of over 75 years works out to between 2-3 children/year on average. In defense of the church, let's not forget the fact that we have had 3 major influenza outbreaks during that time frame in 1918, 1957 and 1968 and a handful of minor ones. This was at a time when little could be done and millions died. People are jumping to conclusions that the RC church and administrators were killing children on site. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I agree with much of this.

Originally Posted by cyrille

dunno about 'we', but you definitely jumped to a conclusion...

Forever the grammar teacher eh Cy.

Originally Posted by cyrille

I'm aware that you actually stated in post 67 that people are jumping to conclusions and then proceeded to jump to a conclusion.

Yes. We get that.

The local band has asked the mainstream media to leave them alone to grieve and plan the next move.

The idea that anyone has the resources to conduct an investigation as to who these children were is dreaming, although the federal government seems to be trying in this Kamloops case. The government has announced 27 million dollars so every reserve in Canada can presumably conduct the search like the one here in Kamloops.

Native spokespeople have already pretty much told the government to fark off. They will take the money but wish no further federal involvement. Some folks are referring to the graves as a murder scene, which I find to be bizarre. I had a look around the grounds yesterday and saw many orange tents on the scene, so god knows what's going on.

I have no right to any opinion on the whole circumstance but I am betting that many native leaders will not want the ground above these sites to be disturbed in the least. There are no words for the white men to speak at this point, none at all.