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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    All we have currently are the 215 bodies at the Kamloops institution plus tons of speculation regarding the others.
    Have they actually excavated 215 or are they still using the radar report that said :-215 grave-like anomalies?

    I need to see a picture of a hole before I believe anything
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    Quote Originally Posted by elche View Post
    Repeating falsehoods and logical fallacies doesn't make them true. And your hysterical and asinine reply is not out of character.
    Yeah, that's actually called documented evidence, you moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Puts things into context. I really wasn't sure what to think of it all. Not that these weren't rough places. But the tone around this story implies that groups of kids were frog marched out back and shot. People really think this is some equivalent to Stalin or Hitlers graveyards.
    No it doesn't. It implies that they let hundreds of illegitimate children die of malnutrition or treatable disease.

    You're letting your fertile little imagination run away with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    No it doesn't. It implies that they let hundreds of illegitimate children die of malnutrition or treatable disease.
    Do we have actual remains yet or are we still relying on radar report?

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    All we have currently are the 215 bodies at the Kamloops institution plus tons of speculation regarding the others. The Kamloops band today indicated that the investigation will be allowed to proceed but only at the rate the local tribe sees fit.
    That isn't what they said. They said "Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc First Nation remains the lead official in the matter".

    In other words they will decide what the next steps are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcusb View Post
    Thats informative. Basically slaves and free labour in horrible conditions.

    Bryce reported that anywhere from 47 percent (on the Peigan Reserve in Alberta) to 75 percent (from File Hills Boarding School in Saskatchewan) of students discharged from residential schools died shortly after returning home.
    The continuing silence of the kiddie fiddlers on this matter is telling.

    Between 1831 and 1996, Canada’s residential school system separated nearly 150,000 children from their homes by force. Many were subjected to abuse, rape and malnutrition in what the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC) in 2015 called “cultural genocide.”

    Run by the government and church groups, most of them Catholic, the schools’ stated aim was to assimilate indigenous children.

    According to TRC reports, the students of these residential schools were often subject to physical and sexual abuse by staff. They were malnourished, underfed, and made to live in poor housing conditions that threatened their safety. Infectious diseases like tuberculosis and influenza were also rampant among students, leading to many deaths.


    RCMP investigating site of former Kamloops residential school | CTV News

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    Elche has tried to present a balanced and rationale commentary on this tragedy
    Now he hasn't, he's desperately trying to play it down and claiming that there is no precedent when there is.

    I suspect he's popping down to see his priest for advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Do we have actual remains yet or are we still relying on radar report?
    Do you think they've made a mistake then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    In other words they will decide what the next steps are.
    Which is exactly what I have been saying. The Kamloops Chief Casimir said yesterday that this isn't a mass grave. I am looking forward to more details in short order to clarify these things. It also appears that the band has taken this to the U.N. who are now involved in the situation calling it a genocide. So, we'll see where this goes.


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    I remember as a young lad in Saskatchewan hearing about these schools and farm colonies on Indian lands. There were several spread all over the province.

    I think this discovery of bodies is just the tip of a very nasty iceburg. Found this on net.

    Remains of 215 children found at Canadian Indigenous school-schools-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post

    I think this discovery of bodies is just the tip of a very nasty iceburg.
    Exactly, but the guilty and associates will try to minimise and obfuscate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Do you think they've made a mistake then?
    No I think they are using a ground radar report that says grave-like anomalies and are going to milk it for all it is worth. Maybe the RCMP will actually use shovels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    to milk it for all it is worth. Maybe the RCMP will actually use shovels?
    There's always that.

    They have already got this on the international news and have taken it to and been acknowledged by the UN, so that's pretty good for a little known Indian band.

    All we actually have at the current time is long standing stories of the 'knowing' and some guy with a ground penetrating radar machine. No further work has been done. We are actually being told very little about the technical details of the findings, and yet this has gone international.

    Very unusual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    They have already got this on the international news
    Just saw on Al Jazeera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    No I think they are using a ground radar report that says grave-like anomalies and are going to milk it for all it is worth. Maybe the RCMP will actually use shovels?
    So you don't think they've used GPR to find human remains before then?

    And have made 215 individual mistakes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    They have already got this on the international news
    Gosh, the surreptitious disposal of 215 human bodies makes the news. There's a big surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    and have taken it to and been acknowledged by the UN,
    For start, they have taken it first to the Pope at Vatican. At UN it is on waiting list, they have another booking (please no names here).

    In fact, there is no urgent action needed, it will not change anything on the fate of the poor kids.

    The UN should concentrate rather urgently on Ethiopia's Tigray. What's the funny style of the Nobelists to always award a Peace Prize to somebody who will afterwards start a war?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    it will not change anything on the fate of the poor kids.
    NO shit, Sherlock!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    NO shit, Sherlock!
    What a fucking genius that lad is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Do we have actual remains yet or are we still relying on radar report?
    Would be nice to know that yeah

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    No I think they are using a ground radar report that says grave-like anomalies and are going to milk it for all it is worth. Maybe the RCMP will actually use shovels?
    Some hunter or farmer could have used the area to bury stiffs. We don't really know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    it will not change anything on the fate of the poor kids.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    NO shit, Sherlock!
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    What a fucking genius that lad is.
    Nothing gets by Klongdick . . . Speaking of genius:
    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Some hunter or farmer could have used the area to bury stiffs.

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    Pope Francis met with two Canadian Cardinals on Saturday amid mounting pressure on the Catholic Church to take responsibility for Canada's residential school system, though it's not known what was discussed.

    No information was immediately available about why the Pope met with Cardinal Marc Ouellet, prefect of the Congregation for Bishops, and Cardinal Michael Czerny, a top official in the Vatican's migrants and refugees portfolio.

    The meetings were disclosed in the Vatican's daily roster of papal audiences.
    Pope, Canadian Cardinals meet amid calls for church to act on residential schools | CTV News
    Trudeau wants Vatican apology for church-run school abuses
    June 5, 2021

    TORONTO (AP) — Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Friday he is “deeply disappointed” the Roman Catholic Church has not offered a formal apology and made amends for its role in Canada’s former system of church-run Indigenous boarding schools after the remains of 215 children were located at what was once the country’s largest such institution.

    Trudeau called on the church to “step up” and take responsibility after years of silence.
    Trudeau wants Vatican apology for church-run school abuses
    Puzzled, isn't the Canadian govt responsible what happens in their country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Puzzled
    Indeed . . . we know . . . 2 of the 3 largest mass-graves in the world involve Russia.

    Hopefully the 'secret' as to how and why will come out sooner rather than later in Canada

    3. Chechnya Massacres


    Dead bodies on a truck in GroznyThe bloody Chechen War began in 1994. Since then a startling number of mass graves have been discovered in the region. In 2008 a total of 58 mass burial sites had been found. The number of victims buried in these graves number in the thousands. The largest mass grave, located in Grozny, the capital of Chechnya, contains the bodies of 800 victims, all of whom are presumed to have perished during the First Chechen War which took place from December 1994 to August 1996.


    2. Mass Graves Of Victims Of Stalin's Rule

    Joseph Stalin was a notoriously brutal leader who ruled over the Soviet Union from 1922 until 1953. During his bloody reign his band of secret police were reportedly responsible for the murders of approximately 700,000 people. The majority of these victms were dumped into mass graves which were distributed throughout the nation. Although not all of these gruesome sites have been found mass graves have been discovered in Bykivia (Ukraine), Kurapaty (Belarus), Butovo (Moscow, Russia), and Sandarmokh (Russia). In total these mass gravesites are presumed to include 179,000 to 479,000 victims.




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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Mass Graves Of Victims Of Stalin's Rule
    graves from The Big Purge

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