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    Lance Tracy, internet detective.



    New week, go get um Lance!

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    Very sad and tragic! Imagine how many more of these mass graves they haven't found.
    Canada is finally passing a bill to make May 29th a national holiday for truth and reconciliation. It is the least they can do, eh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarilynMonroe View Post
    Very sad and tragic! Imagine how many more of these mass graves they haven't found.
    That's a good point . . . like the Catholic Church cover-ups . . . the more you dig (no pun intended) the more you find

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    If anyone is interested here is The Long History of Discrimination of First Nations Children. Five years old now, but still important. They should teach this history to every child in school - which they do not.

    The long history of discrimination against First Nations children

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    Thank you.

    I haven't read the whole article yet, but what has stood out so far and is prevalent in other countries that were 'colonised':

    First Nations parents are still being held accountable for the very social conditions that were created by the government in the first place.
    Of course, if we take into account the US' history of slavery we can include black/African Americans.

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    Very true sadly, the part of the article you quoted. Good point about the US history of slavery being related. Abolish all governments!

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    I was hearing something on TV today, it was on a talk show among Canadian women. They said that more children today are being taken from First Nation parents by social services, than in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarilynMonroe View Post
    Abolish all governments!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarilynMonroe View Post
    They said that more children today are being taken from First Nation parents by social services, than in the past.
    Because:

    First Nations parents are still being held accountable for the very social conditions that were created by the government in the first place.
    And so many posters here whine about 'white privilege'

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    ^Indeed. Easy to forget they were the first ones to discover this land.

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    Local Indians hereabouts have always apparently spoken of a 'knowing'.

    A knowing that there were children's bodies buried in a giant unmarked gravesite on the property of the 'school'.

    I have been told by a couple of native people that if there is any attempt to disturbs the gravesite there will be considerable opposition amoung the tribe here.

    I don't know if the people who authorized the land survey that found the graves had any idea what a horrific can of worms they were opening, I doubt it.

    I say seal the graves but it will be up to the local indigenous people to decide what should happen. This is very much a national shame.


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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    This place in pretty much in my backyard as I look out upon it through my living room window. I taught there back in the mid eighties, after the place was being run by the natives. The finding was no surprise amoung the native people who believe that pretty much all schools of this sort have unmarked burial grounds near the schools. This is going to be a real eye opener for the local non indigenous population, myself included.
    I have a mate up there who worked at Domtar. We took their digesters and moved them to Indonesia.

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    That's the pulp mill, still going strong. I have relatives who spent their entire lives at that mill.

    The pulp mill is about a mile from the school. Our population is 100,000 plus these days.

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    Choquette In case it rings a bell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    I say seal the graves but it will be up to the local indigenous people to decide what should happen. This is very much a national shame.
    It was on the news here tonight. They had a female survivor who went to that Mohawk Institute I guess it was called, walk us through the school on the news. She talked about what it was like. A man survivor also said he went through for ll years and never knew what love was at all. He said that he tried to commit suicide when he finally left the school. . It horrifies me. Definitely a national shame, and I know they want to check other schools and locations to see about remains.

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    TORONTO (AP) — Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau asked Sunday that flags at all federal buildings be flown at half-staff to honor more than 200 children whose remains have been found buried at what was once Canada’s largest Indigenous residential school — one of the institutions that held children taken from families across the nation.

    The Peace Tower flag on Parliament Hill in the nation’s capital of Ottawa was among those lowered to half-staff.
    “To honor the 215 children whose lives were taken at the former Kamloops residential school and all Indigenous children who never made it home, the survivors, and their families, I have asked that the Peace Tower and all federal buildings be flown at half-mast,” Trudeau tweeted.

    Mayors of communities across Ontario, including Toronto, Ottawa, Mississauga and Brampton, also ordered flags lowered to honor the children.


    Chief Rosanne Casimir of the Tk’emlups te Secwepemc First Nation in British Columbia said the remains of 215 children, some as young as 3 years old, were confirmed last weekend with the help of ground-penetrating radar.


    She described the discovery as “an unthinkable loss that was spoken about but never documented at the Kamloops Indian Residential School.″


    From the 19th century until the 1970s, more than 150,000 First Nations children were required to attend state-funded Christian schools as part of a program to assimilate them into Canadian society. They were forced to convert to Christianity and not allowed to speak their native languages. Many were beaten and verbally abused, and up to 6,000 are said to have died.


    The Canadian government apologized in Parliament in 2008 and admitted that physical and sexual abuse in the schools was rampant. Many students recalled being beaten for speaking their native languages. They also lost touch with their parents and customs.


    Indigenous leaders have cited that legacy of abuse and isolation as the root cause of epidemic rates of alcoholism and drug addiction on reservations.


    Plans are underway to bring in forensics experts to identify and repatriate the remains of the children found buried on the site.


    The Kamloops school operated between 1890 and 1969, when the federal government took over operations from the Catholic Church and operated it as a day school until it closed in 1978.


    The National Truth and Reconciliation Commission has records of at least 51 children dying at the school between 1915 and 1963.


    Perry Bellegarde, chief of the Assembly of First Nations, said while it is not new to find graves at former residential schools, it’s always crushing to have that chapter’s wounds exposed.


    The chief of the Mississaugas of the Credit First Nation, R. Stacey LaForme, wrote Trudeau on Saturday to ask the government to lower the flags and declare a national day of mourning.


    “There is a lot more to be done but first and foremost, we need to do this to show love and respect to the 215 children, all of the children, and their families,” LaForme said in a statement. “This should be a moment that the country never forgets.”


    Sol Mamakwa, an Indigenous opposition legislator who represents the Ontario riding of Kiiwetinoong, called on the province and Canadian government to work with all First Nations to look for remains at other defunct residential schools.


    “It is a great open secret that our children lie on the properties of the former schools — an open secret that Canadians can no longer look away from,” Mamakwa said. “In keeping with the Truth and Reconciliation Commission’s Missing Children Projects, every school site must be searched for the graves of our ancestors.”


    Toronto Mayor John Tory said city flags would stay lowered for nine days — 215 hours — to represent each life.


    “This sad story is shocking but not surprising to students of history, I don’t think we know yet when these deaths occurred,” said Nelson Wiseman, a political science professor at the University of Toronto.


    “Canada of yesteryear is not the Canada of today,″ he said.


    Canada lowers flags after discovery of bodies at school site

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarilynMonroe View Post
    They said that more children today are being taken from First Nation parents by social services, than in the past.
    Systemic racism may be the cause of poverty and alcoholism in Native communities, but what are social workers supposed to do with children neglected or abused by alcoholic parents?

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    Canadian Indians believe in "sasquatch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by havnfun View Post
    Canadian Indians believe in "sasquatch"
    I grew up in rural Saskatchewan and went to school with reserve Natives, and they never mentioned Bigfoot. They did talk about "little people" that lived in the woods though. I recall one telling me "wun of dem raped my shister". Rural natives are great people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    The Kamloops Indian band has money to burn as they seem to own half the land in the city.
    The Catholic Church was involved in the running of the school, but you are correct in saying that the Kamloops Indian Band owns most of the land on the east and north side of the Thompson river. There's been a lot of development in that part of the city since I moved away. I'm not sure if they sold it or are leasing it, but it's prime real estate nonetheless.

    My concern is why should my generation have to pay for this travesty committed by the RC church who were bathed in honours by the establishment (UBC honourariums for the clergy) for their "success" and outstanding "commitment" to the children at the time. Many of these villains and pedos many be dead today, but the RC church is still around.

    UBC reviewing honours given to Catholic bishop and former Kamloops residential school principal | CBC News

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    Quote Originally Posted by elche View Post
    There's been a lot of development in that part of the city since I moved away. I'm not sure if they sold it or are leasing it, but it's prime real estate nonetheless.
    There has been a lot of development and as far as I know the Indians are not permitted to sell the land, only lease it.

    You spent time in this berg? Small world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    There has been a lot of development and as far as I know the Indians are not permitted to sell the land, only lease it.

    You spent time in this berg? Small world.
    My high school years (late 1970's) and 1980's. Yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elche View Post
    The Catholic Church was involved
    Yes they have, in every country they have been involved in, the latest from my memory was in my home of Australia, george Pell? Cardinal George Pell: Vatican treasurer found guilty of child sex charges, lifted court order reveals - CNN

    The church is not the problem, Jesus said the church of Christ is two people together"we are the church" then what happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Systemic racism may be the cause of poverty and alcoholism in Native communities, but what are social workers supposed to do with children neglected or abused by alcoholic parents?
    Fair comment

    Might not even be doing forced removals enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by havnfun View Post
    Yes they have, in every country they have been involved in, the latest from my memory was in my home of Australia, george Pell? Cardinal George Pell: Vatican treasurer found guilty of child sex charges, lifted court order reveals - CNN

    The church is not the problem, Jesus said the church of Christ is two people together"we are the church" then what happened?
    An Aussie would also know that George Pell had his conviction overturned. Nor would an Aussie use cnn to post news from his own country.
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