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    Cultural Genocide in Australia

    No, not 'Invasion Day', thats been done to death. This:-


    ‘The kirpan is not a weapon': Sikh shock as government schools ban religious knives



    The Australian Sikh Association says its members are distraught following a government edict banning religious knives from NSW government schools, which came about after an incident that sparked ministers to close a legislative "loophole" allowing students to bring the items to school.


    ..... They said bullying was behind an incident in which a 14-year-old was accused of stabbing a 16-year-old with a ceremonial dagger known as a kirpan - which symbolises a Sikh's duty to defend themselves or aid those in peril - at Glenwood High almost two weeks ago, and that's the issue the government should be focused on.

    The younger boy has been charged with intent to cause grievous bodily harm and will appear in court in July. He remains on bail.

    The kirpan is one of five implements baptised Sikhs are required to wear. The others are kesh (uncut hair, respecting God's creation); kangha (wooden comb, for hygiene); kara (iron bracelet, for good work); and kachera (cotton underpants for good character).

    ‘The kirpan is not a weapon': Sikh shock as government schools ban religious knives (msn.com)


    So let me ask this of the TD Intelligentsia- is this Cultural genocide in your books, or protecting children at school?
    It goes without saying that if it happened in China it would be Cultural genocide.

    Or if only Sikh kids (hehe) are allowed to bring daggers to school, would that be discrimination?
    And if so, if only illegal settlers are allowed to be armed, but indigenous palestinians not in Palestine, isn't that discrimination?
    Or the legitimate right of self defence against an indigenous population that has none?
    Last edited by sabang; 19-05-2021 at 06:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    The Australian Sikh Association says its members are distraught
    Too fucking bad. Knives, guns et al do not belong in schools.
    What next? Swords carried by kids dedicated to the practice of Bushido!

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    ...people can't emigrate and expect to continue all of their traditions in their adopted home...forced female head covering, wife beating, honor killings, FGM, daggers in schools, animal butchery in a condo hallway, etc come to mind...emigrants should be informed before they leave their home countries that new cultural behavior will be required...I wonder if such action would change any minds...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    So let me ask this of the TD Intelligentsia- is this Cultural genocide in your books, or protecting children at school?
    It goes without saying that if it happened in China it would be Cultural genocide.
    Immigrants can't expect to keep all of their culture when arriving in a host country.
    With cultural genocide in China I assume you mean the Uyghurs but it is not like they have immigrated from their own country to China..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    So let me ask this of the TD Intelligentsia- is this Cultural genocide in your books, or protecting children at school?
    It goes without saying that if it happened in China it would be Cultural genocide.
    Oh hello False Equivalence and Melodrama, I see you've met sabang...

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    This is neither cultural genocide nor discrimination. It can be used in a dangerous manner and does not belong in a school or other places were everyone else is subject to a 'no-weapons' mandate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Immigrants can't expect to keep all of their culture when arriving in a host country.
    With cultural genocide in China I assume you mean the Uyghurs but it is not like they have immigrated from their own country to China..
    Damn, that's going put a spin on sabang's tail/tale . . . China as the aggressor? Pshaw!


    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Oh hello False Equivalence and Melodrama, I see you've met sabang...
    A good topic for discussion . . . but with sabang at the helm it's too obvious.

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    Melodrama? Oh absolutely- but no more melodramatic than the fact Uyghur women being granted the same reproductive rights as all other female Chinese citizens is being deliberately conflated as 'Genocide', and such things as Uyghur women being able to marry who they (not their family) choose in western style gowns, and leave their homes without their arranged husbands permission is being conflated as Cultural genocide.

    Melodrama is a two way street!


    (Actually many Uyghurs have migrated from Xinjiang to 'Han' China. Many Hans to Xinjiang too. But that is internal migration.)

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    ...you've lost the plot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Melodrama
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Melodrama?
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Oh absolutely
    Yup. Melodrama

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Melodrama? Oh absolutely- but no more melodramatic than the fact Uyghur women being granted the same reproductive rights as all other female Chinese citizens is being deliberately conflated as 'Genocide', and such things as Uyghur women being able to marry who they (not their family) choose in western style gowns, and leave their homes without their arranged husbands permission is being conflated as Cultural genocide.

    Melodrama is a two way street!


    (Actually many Uyghurs have migrated from Xinjiang to 'Han' China. Many Hans to Xinjiang too. But that is internal migration.)
    All nice newsy info but are they allowed to carry knives in local schools?
    Enquiring minds want to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    So let me ask this of the TD Intelligentsia- is this Cultural genocide in your books, or protecting children at school?
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    It goes without saying that if it happened in China it would be Cultural genocide.
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    A good topic for discussion . . . but with sabang at the helm it's too obvious.
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Oh hello False Equivalence and Melodrama, I see you've met sabang...
    He's not a bad lad - he's just fallen in with the wrong crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    He's not a bad lad - he's just fallen in with the wrong crowd.
    Something's going on there to be sure.

    He used to be relatively well-balanced and sane (and yes, I include myself in that relativity ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    (Actually many Uyghurs have migrated from Xinjiang to 'Han' China. Many Hans to Xinjiang too. But that is internal migration.)
    Are they allowed practise their islam religion there or have they just 'forgotten' about being islamists?
    Are they allowed to wear any islam attributes?

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    Actually the first Q that came to my mind was- "Why were they even allowed to carry daggers to school in the first place"?
    The next one is- are Sikh students allowed to carry daggers to school in India, where most of them live? Anyone know? Are hindoos, & muzzies?

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    ^^ there are 20,000 Mosques or so in Xinjiang. You know how little interest I have in religious practise, so why not ask one of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    You know how little interest I have in religious practise, so why not ask one of them?
    Presumably because he doesn't live in Xinjiang.

    You could be replying to your own post a minute earlier.

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    The largest Islam group in China is not the Uyghur you know. We never seem to hear about them, but yes they and the Uyghur are allowed to practise their religion.
    I get the idea that the Chinese government though does not much like religion in general- they just tolerate it. Same here really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post

    The Australian Sikh Association says its members are distraught following a government edict banning religious knives from NSW government schools,
    The Sikh Association should work with the government and their members to ensure that all Kirpans carried by Sikh school goers are the safe kind. If not yes ban them.

    But Sikhs are notorious for campaigning for their religious customs and then disappearing from view once they have won. Things like Sikh police being able to wear turbans and Sikhs not having to wear motorbike crash helmets.
    Better to think inside the pub, than outside the box?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    But Sikhs are notorious for campaigning for their religious customs and then disappearing from view once they have won.
    wtf does that even mean?

    Do you consider it poor form for them not to be doing 'helmetless' wheelies on their motorbikes outside court after the ruling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    The Sikh Association should work with the government and their members to ensure that all Kirpans carried by Sikh school goers are the safe kind. If not yes ban them.

    But Sikhs are notorious for campaigning for their religious customs and then disappearing from view once they have won. Things like Sikh police being able to wear turbans and Sikhs not having to wear motorbike crash helmets.
    Maybe make them out of rubber?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Maybe make them out of rubber?
    Good idea. The Frabworik tribe of Northern Glicksteenia used to bring chickens to school . . . until:



    When the rubber hits the road . . .


    Last edited by panama hat; 19-05-2021 at 04:44 PM. Reason: Something happened to my previous rubber chicken

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    Back to the OP ...

    Cultural Genocide in Australia-screenshot_2021-05-19-sikh-community-angry

    The kirpan, carried by Sikhs, is a symbol of defending the weak and standing against injustice


    A 14-year-old boy is facing serious charges, with police alleging he stabbed a 16-year-old boy with a "religious knife" at Glenwood High School on May 6.

    The blade used in the alleged incident was a kirpan, a type of ceremonial knife carried by the Sikh community as an article of their faith.
    Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Maybe make them out of rubber?
    Safe Kirpan for children / Airplane | Khalsa Shop

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    The largest Islam group in China is not the Uyghur you know. We never seem to hear about them, but yes they and the Uyghur are allowed to practise their religion.
    Yes, I went to visit a street where these Uyghurs have their food and culture on display. The street is in X'ian called 'Muslim Street'. The Uyghurs tend to be used as a 'tourist attraction' for visitors to try some of their food. Stands and stands of food and trinkets for sale. I was surprised to see Chinese muslims actually, but then again it was a learning curve.

    Going back to your question, I tend to agree with the majority in that no matter if this knife is part of the Sikh culture or not.. it has caused danger and should not have been allowed in the first place imo. It can be used as a weapon so that shouldn't have been allowed religious or not.

    Another case of a religious tradition wantinf to be carried over in a totally different country and environment with different mores and traditions than they are used to.

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