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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    It appears he isn’t being accused of child sex trafficking at all. Actually nobody knows what the hell he's actually “accused” of.

    Matt Gaetz Story Shifts From Child Sex Trafficking to Consorting With Sugar Babies – Reason.com
    Well if "Reason online Magazine" says so, I am convinced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Well if "Reason online Magazine" says so, I am convinced.
    It all says so. Nobody actually knows what he’s “accused” of nor the extent of the “investigation”

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    Few in GOP rush to defend Gaetz amid sex trafficking probe

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The political peril for conservative Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz deepened Friday as the often outlandish, Trump-styled provocateur appeared politically isolated amid a federal sex-trafficking investigation.


    Few Republicans rushed to offer any kind of support to the three-term Florida congressman known for espousing high-volume attacks — sometimes against those in his own party — during his frequent media appearances. Several GOP lawmakers and top aides who requested anonymity to discuss the sensitive situation said Gaetz's prospects for remaining in Congress were bleak and were complicated in particular by his unpopularity among colleagues in his own party.




    Federal prosecutors are examining whether Gaetz and a political ally who is facing sex trafficking allegations may have paid underage girls or offered them gifts in exchange for sex, two people familiar with the matter told The Associated Press on Friday.


    The scrutiny of Gaetz stemmed from the Justice Department’s probe into the political ally, Joel Greenberg, the people said. Greenberg, a former Florida tax collector, was indicted last year and is accused of a number of federal crimes. He has pleaded not guilty.


    Republican congressional leaders have largely been silent about the investigation, which continues.


    That reflected the serious nature of the charges in a story that seems to add new elements by the day, giving lawmakers little motivation to attach themselves to Gaetz.


    In one potentially ominous sign, Gaetz spokesman Luke Ball has resigned, according to one Republican who was not authorized to speak publicly on the matter and spoke on condition of anonymity.


    Part of the investigation is examining whether Gaetz, 38, had sex with a 17-year-old and other underage girls and violated federal sex trafficking laws, the people familiar with the probe told the AP. Federal agents suspect Greenberg may have enticed the girls and then introduced some of them to Gaetz, and they are examining whether both men may have had sex with the same girls, the people said.


    The people with knowledge of the investigation could not discuss details publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. Details of the investigation were first reported by The New York Times.


    Gaetz has vehemently denied the allegations and said in a statement earlier this week that “No part of the allegations against me are true.”




    For those who have watched the congressman's rise in Florida and Washington, there have been few surprises.


    As a former state legislator, he was widely known in Tallahassee before arriving in the nation's Capitol where he made a splash attaching himself to Trump.


    Many colleagues on Capitol Hill view Gaetz as being obsessed with self-promotion, as illustrated by his numerous television appearances, which are unusually frequent for a lawmaker not in a senior position. This is Gaetz’s fifth year in Congress.


    They are especially upset with his willingness to publicly take on fellow Republicans, which many consider needlessly divisive.


    That was most clearly on display when he traveled to Wyoming in January to urge voters there to not reelect Rep. Liz Cheney. Days earlier, Cheney, the No. 3 House GOP leader, was among just 10 House Republicans to vote to impeach Trump.


    Among the rare lawmakers to express support for Gaetz is freshman GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, another rising figure in the GOP propelled by her media appearances and use of social media to spread baseless conspiracy theories.


    House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., told reporters this week that accusations against Gaetz were “serious.”


    The Gaetz investigation, which has been going on since at least the summer of 2020, reached the highest levels of the Justice Department, and former Attorney General William Barr was briefed on the matter several times, the people said.


    In the last few months, investigators have also interviewed several witnesses in the case and have been scrutinizing documents, including travel and financial records, the people said.


    Greenberg was the elected tax collector in Seminole County near Orlando when he resigned last June after his arrest on federal charges. Initially, those included stalking a political opponent, trafficking a minor for sex and illegally using a state database to create fake drivers licenses and other ID cards.


    Since then, the case against Greenberg has ballooned to more than 30 charges, including wire fraud and other charges involving efforts to divert at least $400,000 from the tax collectors office into cryptocurrency he controlled and for his own personal use, such as the purchase of memorabilia autographed by NBA greats Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant, federal prosecutors say. Other charges accuse him of using two companies he controlled to attempt to fraudulently obtain coronavirus relief funds.


    Gaetz has said the allegations against him are part of an extortion plot by an attorney in Florida, who worked decades ago as a federal prosecutor and whom Gaetz identified as David McGee.


    In response, McGee’s law firm said the allegation that Gaetz made about the supposed extortion attempt was “both false and defamatory.” The firm said that McGee had served in top positions at the U.S. attorney’s office in Florida about 25 years ago and that his “reputation for integrity and ethical conduct was impeccable.”


    The Justice Department has a separate investigation into the extortion allegations, being led out of the U.S. attorney’s office in northern Florida, according to a person familiar with the investigation who also could not discuss the matter publicly and spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity.


    Gaetz has said that his family has been cooperating with the FBI and that his father was wearing a recording device, at the FBI’s direction, “to catch these criminals.” He also demanded the Justice Department release the recordings.


    The Justice Department has not commented.




    Few in GOP rush to defend Gaetz amid sex trafficking probe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    It all says so. Nobody actually knows what he’s “accused” of nor the extent of the “investigation”
    I realize that rgw New York Times, and USA today are not up to the standards of Reason on line magazine, but this is what it is being reported .

    " Rep. Matt Gaetz, a firebrand Florida Republican and close ally of former President Donald Trump, is under investigation over allegations that he had sex with an underage girl, according to media reports Tuesday.
    The revelation that the Justice Department is investigating potential violations of sex trafficking laws involving Gaetz swiftly roiled national politics. Gaetz was accused of having a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old girl and paying for her travel, The New York Times first reported. "

    Matt Gaetz: What we know about investigation into Florida congressman

    If as you say " Nobody actually knows what he’s “accused” of " if I was Gaetz, I would be suing the NYT for libel.
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    I would be suing the NYT for libel.
    You know that’s next to impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    You know that’s next to impossible.
    Winning might be difficult. Suing very easy.

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    The NYT hasn't claimed he has committed those acts, only that he's being investigated (over? /about?/for?) them.
    He is SUSPECTED of inducing a minor to cross state lines in order to engage in sex in return for something of value. Which in the U.S. is considered child sex trafficking and carries a substantial jail term I believe.
    “If we stop testing right now we’d have very few cases, if any.” Donald J Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    The NYT hasn't claimed he has committed those acts, only that he's being investigated (over? /about?/for?) them.
    He is SUSPECTED of inducing a minor to cross state lines in order to engage in sex in return for something of value. Which in the U.S. is considered child sex trafficking and carries a substantial jail term I believe.
    But if he was involved in his mate doing the same (he has already been indicted), he could face conspiracy charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    You vote for the same shitbags, just a different meat-suit.
    The standard Trumptard false equivalency and 'both sides' bullshit.

    Al Franken resigned over a pic where he was just pretending to grope a woman, Matt Gaetz is credibly charged with sex with a minor and trafficking and refuses to do so, is from the same party who sent a self-professed sexual predator with 26 credible claims of sexual assaults' / rape against him to the WH, and is only being defended by a Q nut and a guy who interfered in an investigation into sexual abuse.

    There's no 'both-siding' this the GQP is the part of nutters and pervs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    The standard Trumptard false equivalency and 'both sides' bullshit.
    Exactly one side is just gross and reprehensible in the eyes of most Americans and almost the entirety of the free world. The other not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Al Franken resigned over a pic where he was just pretending to grope a woman
    For a self proclaimed feminist, you’re pretty selective in your outrage...

    Al Franken accused of forcibly kissing, groping Leeann Tweeden

    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Matt Gaetz is credibly charged
    No he hasn’t. No charges. No nothing other than press leaks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    For a self proclaimed feminist, you’re pretty selective in your outrage...

    Al Franken accused of forcibly kissing, groping Leeann Tweeden
    For a Trumptard you're rolling out all the usual and expected logical fallacies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    No he hasn’t. No charges. No nothing other than press leaks.
    Under investigation then, split hairs all you like it won't change that, odd hill to choose to die one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    odd hill to choose to die one
    *on

    And try not to be such a hypocrite. If Gaetz is fucking minors and “trafficking” them then he’s toast. Throw the book at him. But if anyone has learned anything over the last few years it should be to remain skeptical until the facts are known instead of taking press leaks and anonymous sources and leaping to the worst possible conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    And try not to be such a hypocrite.
    I'm not the one making false equivalences and 'both-siding' it.

    You are. Again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    *on

    And try not to be such a hypocrite. If Gaetz is fucking minors and “trafficking” them then he’s toast. Throw the book at him. But if anyone has learned anything over the last few years it should be to remain skeptical until the facts are known instead of taking press leaks and anonymous sources and leaping to the worst possible conclusion.
    So you are saying that if a government official is under investigation it should not be reported until the investigation is completed?

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    Matt Gaetz (R) under investigation for child sex trafficking .-wpcbe210404-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    So you are saying that if a government official is under investigation it should not be reported until the investigation is completed?
    Im saying that if people are leaking to the press and speaking anonymously about serious accusations and won’t put themselves on record then everyone should be skeptical. This used to be journalistic integrity, but nowadays none of that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    This used to be journalistic integrity, but nowadays none of that matters.
    Drinking the Trump Kool-Aid will do that to you.

    Journalists, scientists, professionals etc. are lying to you but a man with an exhaustively documented history of lies and fraud becomes you barometer for 'truth'--i.e. anything he doesn't like is 'Fake News!'.

    It's some strong shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    This used to be journalistic integrity, but nowadays none of that matters.
    You idiot the press has always used anonymous sources it is nothing new, once again your astounding ignorance and poor knowledge of your nations history is showing. Maybe it would benefit you turning off Fox News? Because you are basically nothing more than a parrot, and it is painfully easy for most of us to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    Im saying that if people are leaking to the press and speaking anonymously about serious accusations and won’t put themselves on record then everyone should be skeptical. This used to be journalistic integrity, but nowadays none of that matters.
    But no one is disputing that there is an investigation. Are you saying that there is no investigation and those "anonymous sources" are lying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Are you saying that there is no investigation
    That is not what I’m saying. I thought what I said was pretty damn clear already considering it was only a sentence or 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    That is not what I’m saying. I thought what I said was pretty damn clear already considering it was only a sentence or 2.
    Not to me, and I am sure not to many others

    it sounded to me that you said something about being "skeptical" so are you "Skeptical" there is an investigation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    That is not what I’m saying. I thought what I said was pretty damn clear already considering it was only a sentence or 2.
    I have my eyes closed and my fingers in my ears?

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