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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Is it possible that the videos were fakes, sure anything is possible. Is it remotely probable???
    When it comes to people is positions of powered and the public trust one has to balance possibilities against probabilities and come up with the best possible outcome.
    So they have been suspended with pay until proven guilty.

    What's wrong with that?

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    Interesting.
    Beverly Hills has seen more residents arrested for participating in the US Capitol insurrection than any other city in California.


    Three of the 14 California residents charged in connection with the pro-Trump riot in Washington on 6 January so far are from the wealthy Los Angeles county enclave: Gina Bisignano, a salon owner, and Simone Gold and John Strand, two rightwing activists who have spread coronavirus misinformation through their roles in America’s Frontline Doctors, an organization that Gold, an emergency room physician, founded.


    The 11 other Californians who have been charged in the riot are scattered across the state, from San Diego to San Francisco, with three clustered in towns around Sacramento, the state capital, and two from towns in the notoriously conservative Orange county, south of Los Angeles.


    The prominence of Beverly Hills and the profile of the three residents who have been charged reflects what experts say are broader trends in the backgrounds of the more than 250 people charged so far in connection with the Capitol riot.


    More than 90% of the people charged in the riots so far are white, researchers at the Chicago Project on Security and Threats found. About 40% are business owners or have white collar jobs, the researchers found, and compared with previous rightwing extremists, relatively few of them were unemployed.


    “There’s been this assumption that the most reactionary folks on the frontlines would be what’s often referred to as white working-class, but that’s of course not what we saw,” said Vanessa Wills, a political philosopher who studies the intersections of race and class. “The people who showed up are disproportionately small business owners.”

    The people charged in the attack so far also did not come exclusively from Republican states or conservative enclaves. In fact, a majority lived in counties that Biden won, like Beverly Hills, nestled next to Hollywood in liberal Los Angeles county.


    Only 10% of the people charged so far had identifiable ties to rightwing militias or other organized violent groups, the Chicago researchers found. Many more were people who had identified as mainstream Trump supporters.


    From lockdown protests to the US Capitol
    Salon owner Bisignano was indicted on seven counts, including destruction of government property and civil disorder.

    Gold and Strand, the rightwing activists, were indicted on five counts, including disorderly conduct in a capitol building. Gold’s lawyer declined to comment on the charges against her, and Strand and Bisignano’s lawyers did not respond to requests for comment.

    All three Beverly Hills defendants were already prominent rightwing protest figures before the events at the Capitol.

    Bisignano had gone viral in December for shouting homophobic slurs at an anti-lockdown protest outside the home of Los Angeles’ public health director, according to TMZ, which called her “coronavirus lockdown Karen.”

    “You’re a new world order Satanist,” Bisignano told a person filming her at the protest, according to the TMZ video. “You’re a Nazi and you’re brainwashed.”

    “Is there something wrong with not wanting a lockdown?” she asked. “Is there something wrong with wanting freedom?”

    Gold, who has been labeled a “toxic purveyor of misinformation” for her public stances questioning the safety of the coronavirus vaccine and touting hydroxychloroquine as a cure for the virus, was part of an anti-lockdown demonstration with other doctors on the steps of the supreme court in July. Video of the doctors spreading misinformation about Covid-19 was repeatedly shared by Trump and by Donald Trump Jr, and ultimately viewed more than 14m times, despite takedowns by multiple social media platforms, the Washington Post reported.

    Strand, the communications director for America’s Frontline doctors, was also one of the main organizers of the frequent pro-Trump rallies in Beverly Hills before and after the election, the Los Angeles Times reported.

    “The election is not over,” Strand said at a protest in mid-November after Trump had lost the election, according to footage posted on YouTube. “Yes, we have a chance to win the election.”

    All three Beverly Hills defendants had spoken out publicly about their participation in the Capitol riot before they were arrested, including in newspapers interviews and on social media.

    “I’m like, I didn’t know we were storming the Capitol. I should have dressed different,” Bisignano told the Beverly Hills Courier before her arrest, noting that she had worn Chanel boots as well as a Louis Vuitton sweater to the riot.


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    It is not clear how wealthy or financially stable Bisignano or the other Beverly Hills defendants are. While many of the Americans charged in the Capitol riots were educated, employed and financially stable enough to afford a trip across the country to attend a pro-Trump protest, a Washington Post analysis also found that many people charged in the attack had some history of financial troubles, and that, as a group, they were twice as likely as Americans overall to have a history of bankruptcy.


    Understanding the background and social status of alleged domestic terrorists is important to understanding what can be done to counter this kind of radicalization and prevent future attacks. The profiles of the capitol rioters already present a challenge for these kinds of efforts, researchers say.


    “What we are dealing with here is not merely a mix of rightwing organizations, but a broader mass movement with violence at its core,” the Chicago Project on Security and Threats researchers wrote in a public presentation on their initial findings. Normal strategies for countering violent extremism, like social programs for the poor, or arrests targeting organized extremists groups, would not work, the researchers concluded: what was needed was “de-escalation approaches for anger among large swaths of mainstream society”.


    Many Americans had reason to be angry at the failures of politicians and the federal government during the pandemic, which has led to widespread unemployment, disproportionate burdens on people of color, and half a million people dead, but the Capitol attackers were not broadly representative of the US population.

    Experts have emphasized the importance of recognizing the coded attacks on the legitimacy of Black voters’ ballots within Trump’s rhetoric about “election fraud,” and the value of understanding the Capitol insurrection as an act of racial violence motivated by white supremacist ideas.

    But the economic and class backgrounds of the alleged Capitol rioters may also be revealing, particularly as many Americans struggle to understand why so many of their fellow citizens were vulnerable to Trump’s lies about election fraud and lurid conspiracy theories like QAnon.


    The white Americans who showed up at the Capitol did not appear to represent big business or the country’s financial elite, Wills, the political philosopher, said. Instead, they appeared to largely represent people who felt squeezed by bigger companies, resentful towards the government, which had provided a small business pandemic relief program that failed to help many small businesses, and also resentful towards “working-class demands that they see as hostile to their interests as small business owners”.


    It was no accident that chaotic anti-lockdown protests at state capitols during the early months of the pandemic were a precursor to the attack on the capitol in Washington, Wills argued: the public health lockdown measures were specifically threatening to small businesses, and their ability to ensure that their employees would return to work.


    While susceptibility to conspiracy theories involves many factors, she argued, people would likely be more open to embrace wild theories if the theories justified them acting on what was already in their economic interest.


    “Most people would find it hard to think well of themselves if they confronted the fact that they woke up that morning and decided they are going to frustrate society’s attempts to contain a pandemic for their own private financial benefit,” Wills said.
    What the arrests of Beverly Hills residents say about the US Capitol attack | US Capitol breach | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    It was no accident that chaotic anti-lockdown protests at state capitols during the early months of the pandemic were a precursor to the attack on the capitol in Washington,
    Fuck me! Now that really does take the cake.

    Excellent find Cujo. Absolutely hilarious, a laugh a second.

    I've said it before and I'll kick this in again.....

    For any organization to draw any valid conclusions when the sample size is 250 is hilarious. Something possibly lost on yourself and definitely far above dumbass Harry's grasp.

    There are some real gems in this mine...



    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    with three clustered in towns around Sacramento, the state capital, and two from towns in the notoriously conservative Orange county, south of Los Angeles.




    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    “The people who showed up are disproportionately small business owners.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    In fact, a majority lived in counties that Biden won, like Beverly Hills, nestled next to Hollywood in liberal Los Angeles county.



    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    “I’m like, I didn’t know we were storming the Capitol. I should have dressed different,” Bisignano told the Beverly Hills Courier before her arrest, noting that she had worn Chanel boots as well as a Louis Vuitton sweater to the riot.
    I mean like WTF.





    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    a Washington Post analysis also found that many people charged in the attack had some history of financial troubles, and that, as a group, they were twice as likely as Americans overall to have a history of bankruptcy.


    Gentlemen we have located the energy and it is us.

    carrying on,



    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    The white Americans who showed up at the Capitol did not appear to represent big business or the country’s financial elite, Wills, the political philosopher, said.
    I wonder what the IQ and salary cap of this guy might be.
    A true diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a manner that you will be asking for directions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Most people would find it hard to think well of themselves if they confronted the fact that they woke up that morning and decided they are going to frustrate society’s attempts to contain a pandemic for their own private financial benefit,” Wills said.
    So, what have we learned from this gem of creative journalism.

    (!. Cujo, Harry, and the other members of the Gang of Pussy Tough Guys are still posting ridiculous studies like this one as though they've found their grandmothers long lost gold ring. Dumbasses all)

    2. The riotors, insurrectionists, and what have you were mainly white failed small businessmen.


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    1. Get new nick
    2. Try and play it cool for a few days
    3. Go back to being the wanker
    4. Get banned
    5. Rinse and repeat

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    The riotors, insurrectionists, and what have you
    Why some people do not understand that there are some good riots and insurrections - for a well-being of the population - and some bad ones... The distinction between the two of them is very clear, everybody can see it (and classify).

    BTW, for some time it has been a deafening silence about the after-effects of Maidan insurrections...

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    Who is Federico Klein? Trump State Department Appointee Arrested Over Capitol Riot

    Federico G. Klein, a former mid-level aide at the State Department, is the first member of the Trump administration to face criminal charges in connection with the January 6 storming of the capital.

    Klein was arrested in Virginia for charges including unlawful entry, violent and disorderly conduct, obstructing Congress and law enforcement, and assaulting an officer with a dangerous weapon, Samantha Shero, a spokesperson for the Bureau's Washington Field Office, confirmed Thursday.


    In videos, Klein is seen wearing a red "Make America Great Again" cap while assaulting officers with a stolen riot shield. According to a court document filed by the FBI, Klein was still employed by the State Department and possessed a Top Secret security clearance at the time of the alleged offence.


    MORE. Who is Federico Klein? Trump State Department Appointee Arrested Over Capitol Riot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Why some people do not understand that there are some good riots and insurrections - for a well-being of the population - and some bad ones... The distinction between the two of them is very clear, everybody can see it (and classify).

    BTW, for some time it has been a deafening silence about the after-effects of Maidan insurrections...
    Then start a thread. This is NOT the maidan thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Who is Federico Klein? Trump State Department Appointee Arrested Over Capitol Riot

    Federico G. Klein, a former mid-level aide at the State Department, is the first member of the Trump administration to face criminal charges in connection with the January 6 storming of the capital.

    Klein was arrested in Virginia for charges including unlawful entry, violent and disorderly conduct, obstructing Congress and law enforcement, and assaulting an officer with a dangerous weapon, Samantha Shero, a spokesperson for the Bureau's Washington Field Office, confirmed Thursday.


    In videos, Klein is seen wearing a red "Make America Great Again" cap while assaulting officers with a stolen riot shield. According to a court document filed by the FBI, Klein was still employed by the State Department and possessed a Top Secret security clearance at the time of the alleged offence.


    MORE. Who is Federico Klein? Trump State Department Appointee Arrested Over Capitol Riot

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    Now, another 2 months a good protection, what can happen to beloved Congressman and Congresswomen?
    Why not to invite the contractor who had built the Green Zone in Baghdad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Now, another 2 months a good protection, what can happen to beloved Congressman and Congresswomen?
    Why not to invite the contractor who had built the Green Zone in Baghdad?
    You pissed cujo off with that comment. He takes his anti trumpism seriously

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    FBI posts photo of person who placed suspected pipe bombs outside DNC, RNC
    U.S. Capitol Police confirmed that the devices could have caused "great harm."

    Trump Protesters Storm Capitol. DC on lockdown-pipe-bomb-suspect-jpg


    FBI posts photo of person who placed suspected pipe bombs outside DNC, RNC - ABC News

    (seeing nice footages on many TV news, sometime he/she is looking towards CCTV cameras, passing a hotel - quite strange...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    You pissed cujo off with that comment. He takes his anti trumpism seriously
    He may once I figure out wtf he's trying to say.

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    New Oath Keeper defendant cooperating against others in major January 6 conspiracy case


    A member of the Oath Keepers has cut a plea deal with prosecutors and is testifying secretly against others in the right-wing group, according to a criminal case unsealed Wednesday in Washington, DC.


    The newly public case is the latest known move by the Justice Department to prosecute the extremist group for planning the January 6 attack on Congress.


    Mark Grods is set to plead guilty to two charges -- conspiracy and obstruction of Congress' certification of the electoral college.


    He plans to admit to taking part in paramilitary training efforts before January 6 and recruiting people to come to DC and join together for the siege.

    Grods and others brought firearms, combat outfits, helmets and radio equipment for the siege, according to the charging document.


    Grods also plans to admit to allegations that he stormed the Capitol with others, taking part in the military-style "stack" formation used by the Oath Keepers to cut through the crowd, while carrying a "large stick," according to his court record.


    Grods' plea deal was filed in court confidentially on Monday and made public Wednesday morning. The secrecy would "ensure the defendant's safety while he cooperates pursuant to his plea agreement and testifies before the grand jury," a court filing from the Justice Department said.


    Grods is set to appear before a judge in DC federal court at 2 p.m. ET Wednesday.
    CNN has reached out to Grod's lawyer for comment.


    Grods stayed at the Mayflower Hotel while in DC, though he had handed off guns to another person to keep at a hotel in Virginia, his charging document says.


    Prosecutors have accused several Oath Keeper defendants of coordinating what they called a "Quick Reaction Force" -- by storing an arsenal across the river from DC in Virginia that could be brought in as backup if needed during the pro-Trump push to block Congress's certification of the 2020 election results.


    Grods also rode in a pair of golf carts to get to the Capitol quickly, swerving around law enforcement, during the siege, his charging document says.
    Grods was not charged previously in the sprawling conspiracy case against the Oath Keepers prosecutors have aggressively pursued.


    In recent weeks, the Justice Department flipped one of the conspiracy co-defendants against the Oath Keepers in a plea deal secured last week -- a major step forward in the 16-defendant case -- and also gained a cooperator who had long-term ties to the organization and attended the January 6 riot.


    Other Oath Keepers charged in the Capitol riot cases have pleaded not guilty.


    New Oath Keeper defendant cooperating against others in major January 6 conspiracy case - CNNPolitics

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    has cut a plea deal
    "a plea deal"...
    It reminds me something many hundred years back we all had read about...

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    One of them is planning on running for office. Trouble is trumpanzees are as thick as shit....


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    One of them is planning on running for office. Trouble is trumpanzees are as thick as shit....


    Typical Trumpanzee. Relative of deeks?

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    How Trump Supporters Took the U.S. Capitol | Visual Investigations

    As part of a six-month investigation, The Times synchronized and mapped thousands of videos and police audio of the U.S. Capitol riot to provide the most complete picture to date of what happened — and why.


    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

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    'QAnon Shaman' in plea negotiations after mental health diagnosis -lawyer

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The participant in the Jan. 6 U.S. Capitol riots nicknamed the "QAnon Shaman" is negotiating a possible plea deal with prosecutors, after prison psychologists found he suffers from a variety of mental illnesses, his attorney said.


    In an interview, defense lawyer Albert Watkins said that officials at the federal Bureau of Prisons, or BOP, have diagnosed his client Jacob Chansley with transient schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression and anxiety.


    The BOP's findings, which have not yet been made public, suggest Chansley's mental condition deteriorated due to the stress of being held in solitary confinement at a jail in Alexandria, Virginia, Watkins said.


    "As he spent more time in solitary confinement ... the decline in his acuity was noticeable, even to an untrained eye," Watkins said in an interview on Thursday.


    He said Chansley's 2006 mental health records from his time in the U.S. Navy show a similar diagnosis to the BOP's.


    A spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's office declined to comment on the case.


    Chansley is one of the most recognizable of the hundreds of Donald Trump supporters who stormed the Capitol after the then-president in a fiery speech falsely claimed that his November election defeat was the result of fraud.

    Chansley, of Arizona, was photographed inside the Capitol wearing a horned headdress, shirtless and heavily tattooed. He is a supporter of the QAnon conspiracy theory that casts Trump as a savior figure and elite Democrats as a cabal of Satanist pedophiles and cannibals.


    He faces charges including civil disorder and obstructing an official proceeding.


    Watkins did not say what Chansley was considering pleading guilty to, but defendants negotiating plea deals typically seek to plead to a less serious charge to reduce their potential prison sentences.


    Watkins said authorities will need to determine how Chansley can get access to the treatment he needs to "actively participate in his own defense." Pleading guilty to a charge negates the need for a trial, but defendants still have to be declared mentally competent to do so.


    Watkins said the BOP's evaluation of his client did not declare Chansley to be mentally incompetent, and he does not expect Chansley to be ordered to undergo what is known as competency restoration treatment.


    'CHOCOLATE SOUP MESS'


    Watkins said his client has expressed some delusions including "believing that he was indeed related directly to Jesus and Buddha."


    "What we've done is we've taken a guy who is unarmed, harmless, peaceful ... with a pre-existing mental vulnerability of significance, and we've rendered him a chocolate soup mess," Watkins said.


    Federal prosecutors have arrested more than 535 people on charges of taking part in the violence, which saw rioters battle police, smash windows and send members of Congress and then-Vice President Mike Pence running for safety.


    About 20 defendants so far have pleaded guilty to federal charges in connection with the attack, according to a government tally.


    Chansley is jailed as he awaits trial, after prosecutors convinced a federal judge he remains a danger if released.


    U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth in May ordered him to undergo a competency evaluation.


    As of July 5, he was one of 188 men and women undergoing an initial mental health evaluation to determine if they are competent to stand trial, according to BOP data.


    The BOP in 2017 was faulted by the Justice Department's inspector general for its use of special housing units to confine inmates with mental illness, and the BOP agreed to place limits on the amount of time inmates remain in restrictive housing and to ensure they have meaningful human contact.


    But the COVID-19 pandemic led the BOP to step up its use of solitary housing units as a way to quarantine inmates to contain the spread of the virus.


    A BOP spokeswoman said that inmates are sometimes held alone in a cell, but they are not cut off from human contact or services.


    "While we do have a need to place individuals in a single cell for various reasons, such as medical isolation, they have access to staff and programming," she said.


    These COVID-19 restrictions, Watkins said, is what led the BOP to place Chansley in solitary confinement.


    Seeking a competency evaluation for a federal inmate can be a slippery slope for defense attorneys.


    On the one hand, incompetent defendants cannot be prosecuted if they cannot understand the charges or assist in their defense.


    However, if a judge declares there is a preponderance of evidence to show a defendant is incompetent to stand trial, then the defendant is jailed because federal law requires inmates undergoing competency restoration treatment to be committed to a federal prison hospital.


    There are only three federal prison hospitals offering restoration treatment for male inmates, and the average wait time for a bed this year for men has been 84 days, according to BOP data.


    Exclusive-'QAnon Shaman' in plea negotiations after mental health diagnosis -lawyer

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    Is it true that the FBI boss confirmed that no weapons were found at the people?

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    prison psychologists found he suffers from a variety of mental illnesses
    Well that's a fucking surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Is it true that the FBI boss confirmed that no weapons were found at the people?
    Snip: The U.S. Department of Justice has charged at least three people on gun charges stemming from the Jan. 6 riot, including one whom prosecutors said Metro police found carrying a loaded handgun with an extra magazine.

    Fact check: FBI says bureau didn't recover guns at Capitol riot


    Read the above link.

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    ^It seems to be compliqué. When I google, this is what I get:

    Trump Protesters Storm Capitol. DC on lockdown-wray-jpg

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    The Federal Bureau of Investigations recovered no gun. The guns which were found were found by other law inforcement agencies than the FBI, like the DC Metro Police. The DOJ prosecutes.

    Not complicated at all.

    The USA has many different branches of federal, state and local law enforcement. They are not all a centralized force like Thailand’s police.

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    As I said, it's compliqué. I thought that the FBI is the most competent agency for investigation, as it is in its name "I"...
    And it is known that the DC Metro Police did not do much to avoid such event.

    Anyway, wondering that not so many firearms found in such a huge crowd when it's normal that the American people carry a weapon every day once leaving their house, same as I do not leave house without pocket knife in my trousers - not for any defence, just having something on help with opening some packages....

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