Thread: Trump Protesters Storm Capitol. DC on lockdown

Originally Posted by raycarey

5 days....and counting.

but there has been a development......

the director of homeland security resigned.

in the same week that insurrectionists attacked capitol threatening to assassinate the vice president and speaker of the house, the director of homeland security resigns.

and bear in mind that the same seditious groups that attacked the capitol are plotting to do the same during the inauguration 8 days from now.

and the director of homeland security has resigned.

ACTING director of homeland security.

And good fucking riddance.

Wolf’s qualifications to lead DHS were often questioned by his critics. He was a lobbyist for the travel industry before joining the Trump administration and working as chief of staff for the Transportation Security Administration.

Biden should give the job to Comey just to ram another one up baldy orange loser's well worn arse.

Originally Posted by Chico

Who are the men in black, who weren't there to be antifa.

You know there's no such organisation as 'antifa' right?
It's just a term trumptards apply to what they would otherwise refer to as radiical lefties.
it's obvious you're one of the not too bright but you do know that? Right?

Originally Posted by Cujo

You know there's no such organisation as 'antifa' right?
It's just a term trumptards apply to what they would otherwise refer to as radiical lefties.
it's obvious you're one of the not too bright but you do know that? Right?

You may find there is a video of men in Black ,stating they are not here to be Antifa, when the building got taken over by supposed Trump supporters.

Originally Posted by Cujo

'antifa' right?

No they are not far right supporters, Antifa are left wing Pussies.

A day late and a dollar short
He resigns eight days before he get's fired, wooohoo!!
The only good thing about that is now he cant collect unemployment.

Originally Posted by Chico

... when the building got taken over by supposed Trump supporters.

So now you're arguing that those who took over the Capitol were not Trump supporters? Earth calling Chico, do you read?

Yes There was Trump supporters there for sure, though as we are seeing maybe there were possible agitators involved as well.

Have you been reading the news at all?Its also been noted on here by Dem supporters.

^ Link for the possible agitators, please. Where are you reading your “news?”

According to Chico, this is the Anti-fa

i support impeachment but this also seems like a good plan....

To imagine that Trump will fade away after January 20 requires the denial of everything Americans know about the president’s massive ego, his aversion to being seen as a loser, and his determination to avenge his defeat in the 2020 election.


Added to the Constitution after the Civil War, the 14th Amendment is a blunt instrument, which mandates in its third section: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who … shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”


Section 5 of the amendment declares, “The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”


This is why focusing on the 14th Amendment is relevant. As Pulitzer Prize–winning historian Eric Foner reminds us, the House and Senate House could, with a simple majority vote, censure Trump for inciting insurrection and, with the approval of a President Joe Biden, effectively bar Trump from running again for the presidency.


“This can be invoked against anyone who has ever taken an oath to support the Constitution, including the president,” Foner says of the 14th Amendment. “It’s much simpler than impeachment. It is not a judicial proceeding. It’s a political proceeding. It doesn’t involve lawyers or trials. It is simply about qualification for office. You could have one afternoon of debate and a vote.”

why not both?

The debate on Impeachment is on C-SPAN.

All of these rancid fucking republicans are bleating about "unifying the country" and "moving on" because they know what part they played in the disgrace of last week.

Originally Posted by Cujo

You know there's no such organisation as 'antifa' right?
It's just a term trumptards apply to what they would otherwise refer to as radiical lefties.
it's obvious you're one of the not too bright but you do know that? Right?

Holy fuck man. Common. Antifa and black block are a thing. They have an official flag

Antifa (United States) - Wikipedia

Wikipedia FFS.

The main problem is 74,000,000 Americans voted for Trump and he must still have huge support and some of that community are as mad as hell.

I know it will never happen but I wish both Bidden and Trump would have a joint news conference appealing for calm and social order.

Both parties have made mistakes and I fear a civil war may eventuate if an amicable solution is not reached within the coming days.

Prosecutors building sedition, conspiracy charges against some Capitol rioters

The Department of Justice is working to build sedition and conspiracy charges against some of the rioters who stormed the Capitol last week, the top federal prosecutor for Washington, D.C., said Tuesday.


Michael Sherwin, the acting U.S. attorney for D.C., said in a press conference that he has assembled a team of national security attorneys to explore some of the harshest charges his office could pursue in the wake of the riot that overran the Capitol and left five people dead Wednesday.


"Just yesterday, our office organized a strike force of very senior national security prosecutors and public corruption prosecutors," Sherwin told reporters. "Their only marching orders from me are to build seditious and conspiracy charges related to the most heinous acts that occurred in the Capitol."

Sedition charges can carry prison sentences of up to 20 years.


Sherwin said Tuesday that prosecutors have now charged more than 70 cases following the riot and the FBI has opened investigations into more than 170 people.

MORE Prosecutors building sedition, conspiracy charges against some Capitol rioters | TheHill

The DOJ has opened a special long term investigation into the insurrection. They expect hundreds to be charged with crimes ranging from trespassing to assault on police to sedition and conspiracy. Some of those charges would carry prison terms of up to 20 years.

Washington (CNN)The US Justice Department detailed for the first time on Tuesday the scale of its investigation into last week's US Capitol breach as officials vowed to hold all participants that broke the law accountable.

The acting US attorney in Washington, DC, Michael Sherwin, told reporters that the agency is at the onset of "a long term investigation" that "is not going to be solved overnight." "This is only the beginning."

Here are the key takeaways from Tuesday's news conference:

More than 170 subject files have been opened

Officials have opened more than 170 subject files -- meaning individuals identified as persons who potentially committed crimes -- on rioters from the Capitol. Sherwin said this includes individuals who potentially committed crimes inside or outside the Capitol grounds. He added that he anticipates the number of opened subject files "to grow to the hundreds in the next coming weeks."

DOJ has charged 'over 70 cases'

Of the 170 subject files that have been opened so far, Sherwin said the Justice Department has charged over 70 cases. That number too, Sherwin said, is expected "to grow into the hundreds" as the investigation unfurls.

The agency is looking at 'sedition and conspiracy charges'

On the types of cases that the Justice Department is charging, Sherwin said, the "gamut of cases" and misconduct that they're looking at "is really mind-blowing." This includes "significant felony cases tied to sedition and conspiracy," he said. Those charges would carry prison terms of up to 20 years. Looking at those charges is a "strike force" in the DC US Attorney's Office, Sherwin added.
"Their only marching orders," he said, are to build sedition and conspiracy charges related to "the most heinous acts that occurred in the Capitol, and these are significant charges that have felonies with a prison terms of up to 20 years."

There was 'open-handed combat' with police officers

Sherwin said Tuesday the Justice Department has put an emphasis on looking into rioters who engaged in "open-handed combat" with police officers during the breach.
A clearer picture of what happened inside the Capitol, Sherwin said, is "going to come into laser focus I think over the next weeks and days, and I think people are going to be shocked with some of the egregious contact that happened within the Capitol."

Pipe bombs left outside parties' headquarters were real

FBI assistant director Steven D'Antuono, who spoke alongside Sherwin at Tuesday's news conference, said the FBI is pursuing information about a person or people who helped to plant pipe bombs outside the Republican and Democratic headquarters last week.
D'Antuono said the bombs were real -- and had timers.
"We don't know exactly why they didn't go off," he added.

The FBI is considering putting some rioters on the 'no-fly list'

D'Antuono also said the agency is considering keeping those who attacked the Capitol last week from boarding planes by adding them to the federal no-fly list.

Asked by CNN's Evan Pérez about the step, D'Antuono said: "As for the no-fly list, we look at all tools and techniques that we possibly can use within the FBI and that's something we are actively looking at."

Looking at attacks against the press

Investigators are also looking at attacks from rioters specifically against journalists, Sherwin said.
"Some people aren't familiar that some of those rioters specifically targeted members of the media and assaulted them," he said. So we have assigned specific prosecutors in our office to focus on those cases as well. And I'm naming all these different strike forces to just emphasize regardless of who the victim was, regardless of who the perpetrator was, we're treating all of these cases equally."

Rep. John Katko ,Rep. Liz Cheney, and a third Republican just announced five minutes ago that will vote to impeach
I am sure there are more to come,

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

Rep. John Katko ,Rep. Liz Cheney, and a third Republican just announced five minutes ago that will vote to impeach
I am sure there are more to come,

He was impeached before. It doesn't seem to mean anything.

Originally Posted by Cujo

He was impeached before. It doesn't seem to mean anything.

If it passes the Senate doesn't it mean that he isn't eligible to run again?

Originally Posted by Cujo

He was impeached before. It doesn't seem to mean anything.

He was impeached but he was not convicted by the Senate. It was just reported on CNN that Mitch McConnell may be supportive of a conviction this time. That is big news.

Originally Posted by panama hat

If it passes the Senate doesn't it mean that he isn't eligible to run again?

That is right he could not run again, and he would also lose Secret Service protection.

McConnell is said to be pleased about impeachment, believing it will be easier to purge Trump from the G.O.P.


Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, has told associates that he believes President Trump committed impeachable offenses and that he is pleased that Democrats are moving to impeach him, believing that it will make it easier to purge him from the party, according to people familiar with his thinking. The House is voting on Wednesday to formally charge Mr. Trump with inciting violence against the country.

At the same time, Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the minority leader and one of Mr. Trump’s most steadfast allies in Congress, has asked other Republicans whether he should call on Mr. Trump to resign in the aftermath of the riot at the Capitol last week, according to three Republican officials briefed on the conversations.
While Mr. McCarthy has said he is personally opposed to impeachment, he and other party leaders have decided not to formally lobby Republicans to vote “no,” and an aide to Mr. McCarthy said he was open to a measure censuring Mr. Trump for his conduct. In private, Mr. McCarthy reached out to a leading House Democrat to see if the chamber would be willing to pursue a censure vote, though Speaker Nancy Pelosi has ruled it out.

Taken together, the stances of Congress’s two top Republicans — neither of whom has said publicly that Mr. Trump should resign or be impeached — reflected the politically challenging and fast-moving nature of the crisis that the party faces after the assault by a pro-Trump mob during a session to formalize President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s electoral victory.

As more violent images from the mayhem wrought by the rioters emerged on Tuesday, including of the brutal attack that ultimately killed a Capitol Police officer, and as lawmakers were briefed about threats of more attacks on the Capitol, rank-and-file Republican lawmakers grew angrier about the president’s role in the violence.

Yet as they attempted to balance the affection their core voters have for Mr. Trump with the now-undeniable political and constitutional threat he posed, Republican congressional leaders who have loyally backed the president for four years were still stepping delicately. Their refusal to demand the president’s resignation and quiet plotting about how to address his conduct highlighted the gnawing uncertainty that they and many other Republicans have about whether they would pay more of a political price for abandoning him or for continuing to enable him after he incited a mob to storm the seat of government.

Making their task more difficult, Mr. Trump has shown no trace of contrition, telling reporters on Tuesday that his remarks to supporters had been “totally appropriate,” and that it was the specter of his impeachment that was “causing tremendous anger.”

Mr. McConnell has indicated that he wants to see the specific article of impeachment that the House is set to approve on Wednesday, and hear the eventual arguments in the Senate. The House is expected to pass the single charge on Wednesday, and a senior administration official said the White House expects about two dozen Republicans to support it. Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming, the party’s No. 3 in the House, announced on Tuesday that she would be among them.

But the Senate Republican leader has made clear in private discussions that he believes now is the moment to move on from the weakened lame duck, whom he blames for causing Republicans to lose the Senate. Mr. McConnell has not spoken to Mr. Trump since mid-December, when the senator informed the president he would be recognizing Mr. Biden as president-elect after the meeting of the Electoral College.

On Monday, Mr. Biden telephoned Mr. McConnell to ask whether it was possible to set up a dual track that would allow the Senate to confirm Mr. Biden’s cabinet nominees and hold a Senate trial at the same time, according to officials briefed on the conversation who disclosed it on condition of anonymity. Far from avoiding the topic of impeaching Mr. Trump, Mr. McConnell said it was a question for the Senate parliamentarian, and promised Mr. Biden a quick answer.

David Popp, a spokesman for Mr. McConnell, declined to comment, pointing a reporter to a speech the senator made from the floor after the attack on the Capitol.

“This failed attempt to obstruct the Congress, this failed insurrection, only underscores how crucial the task before us is for our Republic,” Mr. McConnell said as the Senate reconvened on Wednesday to finish the electoral count disrupted by the siege. “Our nation was founded precisely so that the free choice of the American people is what shapes our self-government and determines the destiny of our nation.”

In the days since the attack, Mr. McCarthy has veered from asking Republican colleagues if he should call on Mr. Trump to resign to privately floating impeachment to his current posture, opposed to impeachment but open to a censure. He even approached Representative Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland, the majority leader, about a censure vote, saying he could deliver a large number of Republican votes for a formal rebuke if Democrats backed off impeachment.

Mitch McConnell Said to be Pleased About Trump Impeachment Efforts - The New York Times

Originally Posted by elche

74 million supporters of Republicans are not violent. Only a tiny fraction are extremists and nut jobs.

Exactly right. I think there is a huge disconnect in that people keep saying 70+ million Trump supporters. We could argue that voting Republican is supporting Trump however we all know that many are die hard Republicans no matter who is the candidate and vote as such. As Elche says, only a fraction of those 70+ million are hardcore die for trump supporters. Same goes for the democratic party.

Trump is currently only leading a small group of insurgents against the government.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

Both parties have made mistakes

No.

And that's the same langauge that Trump uses.