Thread: Trump Protesters Storm Capitol. DC on lockdown

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

Understand that I'm not an apologist for Trumps massive misjudgement on the day of the riot.

Yes you are. Your TV shows are more important than protecting democracy, and dealing with an insurrectionist?

Gosh AO. You are inclined on occasion to not appreciate a comment made in jest.

I guess I should have searched for an appropriate smilie to place after that T.V. show comment.

Oh well, live and learn.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

Understand that I'm not an apologist for Trumps massive misjudgement on the day of the riot.

I don't know that "misjudgement" is the word I'd use for someone who knowingly and willingly spread lies and then incited people who believed the lies into deadly violence over them.

There are probably plenty of applicable words but "misjudgement" is not one of them.

You're probably right.

Do you believe that Trump knew these people were actually going to physically assault the capital?

He's definitely guilty of restless endangerment.

I can't stand the prick personally.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

He's definitely guilty of restless endangerment.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

Do you believe that Trump knew these people were actually going to physically assault the capital?

I don't see how he couldn't have known. He's an utter moron but if there is one thing he does know it is his base.

One thing I have noted in the impeachment trial is the timing of everything.

Whether he intended or even knew there would be deadly violence it seems clear from the calls he and Giuliani placed during it they intended it to be a disruption and delay to the certification vote that they could then exploit -- Giuliani called who he thought was Tuberville to "slow down" the EC votes as the riot they were all watching was in process.

I cannot believe that people are surprised about Trump's actions leading up to, during and after the D.C incident.

Even before his attempt at politics he had a long history of ruthless corporate battles, heartless business decision making and the creation of outright lies and all for his own benefit.

He considered the election result as a business loss and personal insult and he reacted in the only way he knows how.

Whether he is convicted or not should depend whether those that put him in power should take some responsibility about opening the can of worms which is Donald Trump.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

Is not there a soul on the forum who is not somewhat suspicious of the fact that the Capital police called for backup several times and were denied each time?
And what the hell were the FBI doing? Were they somehow unaware through their wiretaps that there was something serious at hand and warned the Capitol authorities? And an insurection. Let's get real gentlefolks.

Nope.

Trump allies and associates were behind the planning of the rally, seeking and approving permits, and the FBI had issued warnings of the threat of violence prior -- ignoring them only benefited Trump.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

Never watched Hannity in my life. Never watched Fox in my life, not signed up to them. I hardly know who the guy is.

Is not there a soul on the forum who is not somewhat suspicious of the fact that the Capital police called for backup several times and were denied each time?
And what the hell were the FBI doing? Were they somehow unaware through their wiretaps that there was something serious at hand and somehow failed to alert the Capitol authorities? And an insurrection. Let's get real gentlefolks.

I do hate feeding frenzies and always have. That's what we're witnessing presently.

I believe the calls for backup weren't heeded because there are Trump supporters in the law enforcement agencies.
You're right that it was stage managed and all the rest but it was by Trumps side. Law enforcement reinforcements didn't come in time (specifically the national guard) because Trump people on the inside held them back to allow the insurrection to take place.
And what do you mean, 'feeding frenzie'? Did you not witness on your TV or youtube or the countless cable channels that broadcast the footage what went on?
What is the 'feeding frenzie'?

Never watched Hannity in my life. Never watched Fox in my life, not signed up to them. I hardly know who the guy is.

bulshit. What an ingenuous wanker you are.
If you hardly know who the guy is why are you making the association with fox? i never made that association.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

And what the hell were the FBI doing?

Not to mention the many discoveries of the people involved having some dubious connections to FBI. But it surely cannot be believed - usual conspiration theories - since the recognized MSM do not say anything about that.

And I do not dare to place here any link to such "discoveries", not to be banned for the rest of my life (not so long perspective anyway)

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Not to mention the many discoveries of the people involved having some dubious connections to FBI.

How many? What connections

Originally Posted by Cujo

I believe the calls for backup weren't heeded because there are Trump supporters in the law enforcement agencies.
You're right that it was stage managed and all the rest but it was by Trumps side. Law enforcement reinforcements didn't come in time (specifically the national guard) because Trump people on the inside held them back to allow the insurrection to take place.

So your conspiracy trumps my conspiracy theory?

Alrightythen.

Originally Posted by Cujo

If you hardly know who the guy is why are you making the association with fox? i never made that association.

Isn't that a tad egocentric? Believe it or not we all think quite differently.

And knock it off with the name calling please.

It's.....

Unbecoming.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

So your conspiracy trumps my conspiracy theory?

Alrightythen.





Isn't that a tad egocentric? Believe it or not we all think quite differently.

So if you hardly know who Hannity is why are you associating him with Fox?

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

Never watched Hannity in my life. Never watched Fox in my life, not signed up to them. I hardly know who the guy is.

Russellsimpson is the MadBaron and at least one other handle as well.

Originally Posted by Cujo

So if you hardly know who Hannity is why are you associating him with Fox?

Because I sometimes watch CNN and they talk about Hannity and Fox adnauseum.

Why would I choose to lie about such a inconsequential thing as this?

Answer me that..

Civilly if possible.

Originally Posted by elche

Russellsimpson is the MadBaron and at least one other handle as well.

Ha, ha, that funny elche.

I'm not even going to ask what the "one other handle" might be although I do have my suspicions. Does it start with F or P ?. I've been getting a lot of that in my reps of late.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

And I do not dare to place here any link to such "discoveries", not to be banned for the rest of my life (not so long perspective anyway)

What a drama queen you are . . .

FOK

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

Because I sometimes watch CNN and they talk about Hannity and Fox adnauseum.

Why would I choose to lie about such a inconsequential thing as this?

Answer me that..

Civilly if possible.

Because you're embarrassed about the fact that you watch Hannity?

Nope.

Trump allies and associates were behind the planning of the rally, seeking and approving permits, and the FBI had issued warnings of the threat of violence prior -- ignoring them only benefited Trump.

Oh yeah, and from today's proceedings it's now known that The White House had the original permit changed so the soon-to-be-insurrectionists could walk to the Capitol.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

Answer me that..

Civilly if possible.

"Civilly"? Nothing like that is known and practise here...

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

Because I sometimes watch CNN and they talk about Hannity and Fox adnauseum.

Why would I choose to lie about such a inconsequential thing as this?

Answer me that..

Civilly if possible.

To paint yourself as bipartisan when you are anything butt.
It's a tactic among Trumpanzees like you to attempt to 'legitimately' sow seeds of doubt.

Justice Department says an Oath Keepers leader waited for Trump's direction before Capitol attack


(CNN)The Justice Department is now making clear that a leader among the Oath Keepers paramilitary group -- who planned and led others in the US Capitol siege to attempt to stop the Biden presidency -- believed she was responding to the call from then-President Donald Trump himself.


"As the inauguration grew nearer, [Jessica] Watkins indicated that she was awaiting direction from President Trump," prosecutors wrote in a filing Thursday morning.


This is the most direct language yet from federal prosecutors linking Trump's requests for support in Washington, DC, to the most militant aspects of the insurrection.

Previously, the Justice Department has somewhat held back on linking Trump's words so closely to the extremist group's actions during the riot. At least four defendants this week have argued in court they followed Trump's direction to go to the Capitol building on January 6.

The Justice Department filing continued: "Her concern about taking action without his backing was evident in a November 9, 2020, text in which she stated, 'I am concerned this is an elaborate trap. Unless the POTUS himself activates us, it's not legit. The POTUS has the right to activate units too. If Trump asks me to come, I will. Otherwise, I can't trust it.' Watkins had perceived her desired signal by the end of December."

Prosecutors in the filing argue to keep Watkins in jail pending trial. She was arrested several weeks ago and has been indicted for conspiracy and other charges related to the Capitol riots.

Prosecutors describe Watkins as a military veteran who's now a leader in the broader right-wing militia movement, instrumental in a group called the Ohio State Regular Militia and a key player taking action and communicating with others once she was inside the Capitol on January 6.


She recruited at least two people to the insurrection and was training others to be in "fighting shape" for the presidential inauguration, prosecutors say in the Thursday filing.

On a radio app that day, she said her group was 30 to 40 people, prosecutors say.


Watkins allegedly had a "single-minded devotion to obstruct through violence" the certification of Joe Biden's presidency, prosecutors said in the filing. "Crimes of this magnitude, committed with such zeal, belie any conditions of release that would reasonably assure the safety of the community or by which Watkins could be trusted to abide."


They note she said on the radio channel, "We are in the main dome right now. We are rocking it."


The Justice Department also says Watkins wore camouflage fatigues and combat gear including a tactical vest, boots and a helmet, and spoke to other Oath Keepers over radio.


"Unlike the vast majority, Watkins had trained and plotted for a moment like this," prosecutors wrote.

Oath Keepers leader waited for Trump's direction before Capitol attack, DOJ says - CNNPolitics

6 Capitol Police officers suspended, 29 others being investigated for alleged roles in riot


(CNN)Six US Capitol Police officers have been suspended with pay, and 29 others have been placed under investigation, for their actions in the January 6 riot, a department spokesman said Thursday.


"The investigation into the January 6 attack remains under investigation," department spokesman John Stolnis told CNN. "Acting Chief Yogananda Pittman has directed that any member of her department whose behavior is not in keeping with the Department's Rules of Conduct will face appropriate discipline."


CNN reported in January that the USCP had placed at least 10 officers under investigation, and two others had been suspended.

One of the suspended officers took a selfie with someone who was part of the mob that overtook the Capitol, according to Rep. Tim Ryan, a Democrat from Ohio. Another wore a "Make America Great Again" hat and started directing people around the building, Ryan said.

Last month, Pittman said the department "has been actively reviewing video and other open source materials of some USCP officers and officials that appear to be in violation of Department regulations and policies."


Capitol Police: 6 officers suspended for alleged roles in riot - CNNPolitics