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    War crimes in Afghanistan


    Troops from the United States and United Kingdom, two of Australia's coalition partners in Afghanistan, have also faced allegations of committing unlawful killings.

    According to US military prosecutors, a group of US Army soldiers killed Afghan civilians for sport beginning in January 2010.

    The case drew international outrage when Der Spiegel, a German news magazine, published photos that showed two of the soldiers posing over dead bodies of Afghans. In November 2011, the mastermind of what was called a "kill team," Staff Sgt. Calvin R. Gibbs, was sentenced to life in military prison with eligibility for parole in 10 years.

    A military court-martial found Gibbs guilty of murdering three Afghan civilians, illegally cutting off pieces of their corpses to keep as "souvenirs" and planting weapons to make the men appear as if they were Taliban fighters killed in legitimate firefights.
    Five soldiers were convicted for various roles in the conspiracy. Six other soldiers, including one who posed for photos with a dead Afghan, accepted plea deals, the military has said.

    Last year, US President Donald Trump pardoned two US Army soldiers who had served in Afghanistan. One of those had been found guilty in 2013 of second-degree murder for ordering his men to fire on three unarmed men on a motorcycle in Afghanistan. He was serving a 19-year prison sentence when Trump pardoned him. The other had been charged with the murder of a detained Afghan man in 2010, but was pardoned before trial.

    Meanwhile, a UK inquiry into alleged unlawful killings by British troops in Afghanistan, Operation Northmoor, was shut down in 2017 without any charges being brought.

    In a separate case, one British Royal Marine, was convicted in a court martial of murder for shooting an unarmed Taliban prisoner in 2011 and sentenced to life in prison.

    His conviction was reduced to manslaughter on appeal and in 2017 he was released from prison after serving three years.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/18/a...hnk/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman123 View Post
    Read up on it Praggers, they were prisoners, definitely not combatants
    Prisoners are people that have done wrong. I can't see this shitty witch hunt coming to anything. Hopefully I'm proven to be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    A military court-martial found Gibbs guilty of murdering three Afghan civilians, illegally cutting off pieces of their corpses to keep as "souvenirs"
    American soldiers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    American soldiers


    keep these clumsy whataboutisms confined to PMs with harry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Prisoners are people that have done wrong.
    Explain that to the descendants of 6 million Jews

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    Is our TD CSI asleep on the job? Are we getting a bit lazy, like Australian reporters? When your boss is the dirty digger though, ya gotta toe the line- or you are soon enough out of a job.


    Gen. Angus Campbell, the Head of the Australian armed forces, is rightly 'outraged'. I mean it is the right thing to do, isn't it? And strict action shall be taken, h'rrrmph.


    Inconveniently, then Maj Gen Campbell was in fact
    promoted to the rank of major general and appointed as Commander Joint Task Force 633 in 2011, responsible for all Australian forces deployed in the Middle East, including Afghanistan. For his command in Afghanistan he was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross
    He was also an SAS officer, and served as a troop and squadron commander.

    He also served as the Commander of the 2nd Battallion, Australia Army, in east Timor- admittedly during the UN transition period. Nothing to see there, move right on. Obviously.

    Angus Campbell (general) - Wikipedia.


    He is certainly a very adept politician. Guess ya gotta be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post


    keep these clumsy whataboutisms confined to PMs with harry.
    Expanding the scope of the conversation to how other allied troops have handled this issue is very much on topic in my opinion.

    Also, you are a cockhead.

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    Actually I'm guessing Ray's beef is that we have brought up the fact that the seppos have been doing this shit for years and in fact they've generally either protected their troops from sanction or given them a sly pardon and a pat on the back when it fades from the front pages.

    The Mỹ Lai massacre (/ˌmiːˈlaɪ/; Vietnamese: Thảm sát Mỹ Lai [tʰâːm ʂǎːt mǐˀ lāːj] (About this soundlisten)) was the Vietnam War mass murder of unarmed South Vietnamese civilians by U.S. troops in Sơn Tịnh District, South Vietnam, on March 16, 1968. Between 347 and 504 unarmed people were killed by U.S. Army soldiers from Company C, 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment and Company B, 4th Battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade, 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division. Victims included men, women, children, and infants. Some of the women were gang-raped and their bodies mutilated, as were children as young as 12. Twenty-six soldiers were charged with criminal offenses, but only Lieutenant William Calley Jr., a platoon leader in C Company, was convicted. Found guilty of killing 22 villagers, he was originally given a life sentence, but served only three-and-a-half years under house arrest.
    Mỹ Lai massacre - Wikipedia

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    Is anyone going to jail?

    Potentially, but if they do it won't be for a long while yet.

    The purpose of this inquiry was to look into persistent rumours and allegations that were swirling about the behaviour of special forces soldiers, not to gather evidence that could be used in a criminal trial.

    The idea was to see what evidence, if any,
    there was of these crimes before pursuing any further action.


    But after the report was handed to General Campbell and the Federal Government, the decision was made to create a specific new office to collect evidence and prosecute people for war crimes.

    Once it's set up, the Office of the Special Investigator will refer any criminal matters to the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions (CDPP).

    The CDPP will then decide whether there's enough evidence to win a trial and if it thinks there is, ask that charges are laid and pursue it in court.


    Then it'd be up to a jury or a judge to decide if the person accused is guilty, and after that a judge to decide that jail is the most appropriate form of punishment.


    What war crimes did Australian soldiers commit in Afghanistan and will anyone go to jail? - ABC News

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    Which will take approx another 10 years.

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    The Blowback is beginning. Alan Jones is a popular (and unpopular) Australia media figure. Worth a listen


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Yes, I'm glad the taliban are not only going to get off scot free for the 1300 civilians that they murdered just last year, but are going to be rewarded with a return to power for it.

    It is a truly bizarre fucking world we live in.
    Well thank fuck for the voice of reason chiming in. Spot on harry.

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    Haven't they abbreviated the Collateral Damage excuse to Col-Dam yet?

    Mega Col-Dam dis arvo, cobba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    What sacred cows are those?
    Your imperial foot soldiers. Since you are now an imperialist as most leftists became after Obama got elected

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Actually I'm guessing Ray's beef is that we have brought up the fact that the seppos have been doing this shit for years and in fact they've generally either protected their troops from sanction or given them a sly pardon and a pat on the back when it fades from the front pages.



    Mỹ Lai massacre - Wikipedia
    Yeah the Seppos rarely eat their own like this. They keep it out of the media for the most part

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    Quote Originally Posted by beerlaodrinker View Post
    Spot on harry.
    Eh....no

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    Then it'd be up to a jury or a judge to decide if the person accused is guilty, and after that a judge to decide that jail is the most appropriate form of punishment.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    Which will take approx another 10 years.
    The afghans has offered to host the trials

    That would speed things up



    Btw:
    Amusing to watch HandbagHarry digging a hole nearly the size of his ego

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    The afghans has offered to host the trials

    That would speed things up

    Btw:
    Amusing to watch HandbagHarry digging a hole nearly the size of his ego
    I'm sure if I keep digging, I can plumb the depths of your idiocy eventually. Well, probably not.

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    Ouch

    China Syndrome Harry

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    The first thing we need to do is stop following the US into every dirty little war around the globe. Afghanistan has seen out the British, the Russians and will see out the USA and allies and will still be the basket case it is today. War dehumanises people and that will never change. How we fight wars with rules against people that have none is a dilemma that I have no answer for. The systemic failure of the command structure needs to be addressed and doing this so publicly is going to be a long and painful process but if we cannot have a force that is "better than them", what are we doing there in the first place.

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    ^ Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman123 View Post
    Haven’t heard PTSD used as an excuse for atrocities, you were doing ok up until then.
    Give 'em time. Once they get around to prosecutions, if that should ever comes to pass, they'll start bleating about their dreams, incipient alcoholism, 'flashbacks', and temper tantrums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Prisoners are people that have done wrong. I can't see this shitty witch hunt coming to anything. Hopefully I'm proven to be wrong.
    Have you taken to daytime drinking these days, Prag?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    The first thing we need to do is stop following the US into every dirty little war around the globe. Afghanistan has seen out the British, the Russians and will see out the USA and allies.
    That's easier said than done. We live in the unipolar moment still. Washington DC decides foreign policy for its primary and secondary allies. (Australia and Thailand sent troops) And then it expects the rest of the world to line up behind it all. Australian troops are even in Syria.

    Syria: Australian military operations

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    Executive summary

    Australian military operations in Iraq commenced in August 2014 as part of the International Global Coalition to counter the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS). A year later, on 9 September 2015, Prime Minister Tony Abbott announced Australia would expand its military commitment from Iraq into Syria to conduct operations against ISIS militants located there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman123 View Post
    Explain that to the descendants of 6 million Jews
    Another that believes the history books.

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