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    US Govt Spied On Denmark As It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

    The allegations suggest that European fighter manufacturers were also among the U.S. intelligence agency’s targets.

    Reports in the Danish media allege that the United States spied on the country’s government and its defense industry, as well as other European defense contractors, in an attempt to gain information on its fighter acquisition program. The revelations, published online by DR, Denmark’s Danish public-service broadcaster, concern the run-up to the fighter competition that was eventually won by the U.S.-made Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth fighter.


    The report cites anonymous sources suggesting that the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) targeted Denmark’s Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and the defense firm Terma, which also contributes to the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program.

    Allegedly, the NSA sought to conduct espionage using an existing intelligence-sharing agreement between the two countries. Under this agreement, it is said the NSA is able to tap fiber-optic communication cables passing through Denmark and stored by the Danish Defense Intelligence Service, or Forsvarets Efterretningstjeneste (FE). Huge amounts of data sourced from the Danish communication cables are stored in an FE data center, built with U.S. assistance, at Sandagergård on the Danish island of Amager, to which the NSA also has access.

    Full report NSA Spied On Denmark As It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircraft: Report

    The Seppos just cant be trusted. They play dirty pool with everyone including a lowly little yes-man country like Denmark.

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    Got a better one for you Skidmark. Right in your backyard. Was this you?

    Surrey, B.C., man arrested for drinking and driving twice in one night









    Surrey RCMP say a 37-year-old Surrey man may be facing multiple charges after he was caught driving impaired twice in one night, and only hours apart.

    On May 18, just before midnight, a Surrey RCMP officer came across a collision involving an SUV and a sedan in there area of 16 Avenue and 168 Street.
    Police say the officer stopped to investigate and found the driver of the SUV to be impaired. He was arrested and his vehicle was impounded.
    The man was released from police custody and was given an appearance notice and a driving prohibition and was taken home by officers.

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    Oh dear. Cue another China spy scandal.

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    So I'm looking at various reports of this story, and it basically says:

    Denmark: "Have a look at all the traffic on our fibre optic network".

    Also Denmark: "What are you doing looking at all the traffic on our fibre optic network?"

    I suspect whoever authorised the first did not expect anyone to ask the second.

    The Danish scandal has led to the government firing five people in the leadership of the Defense Intelligence Service, ie Denmark’s equivalent of FRA.

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    Goodness, countries spying on each other, unheard of, what next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Goodness, countries spying on each other, unheard of, what next.
    In this case they didn't need to spy - they were already fully wired up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Goodness, countries spying on each other, unheard of, what next.
    Says the Russia hoax believer and China hawk

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    So I'm looking at various reports of this story, and it basically says:

    Denmark: "Have a look at all the traffic on our fibre optic network".

    Also Denmark: "What are you doing looking at all the traffic on our fibre optic network?"

    I suspect whoever authorised the first did not expect anyone to ask the second.
    No moron. The fiber optic is used for communication between agencies through due process. This was unauthorized espionage pure and simple

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Oh dear. Cue another China spy scandal.
    All the Russiagaters and China hawks see nothing wrong here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Says the Russia hoax believer and China hawk
    Are you saying the Russians DIDN'T interfere in the 2016 election ?
    And where does the China hawk BS come from ?

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    So...

    Denmark starts an air-fryer delights thread and invites all to come and see, then complains when viewers look at the food instead of at the tits.



    Did Denmark flounce from this Intelligence sharing agreement soon after?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Are you saying the Russians DIDN'T interfere in the 2016 election ?
    And where does the China hawk BS come from ?
    Goodness, countries interfering on each other, unheard of, what next.

    If Russia did this to Belarus you'd have a hissy fit. Because you are inconsistent and a hyprocrite

    And where does the China hawk BS come from ?
    You sometimes go along with the garden verity china propaganda. Like Uiger pity, Tibet pity , south china sea faux outrage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B View Post
    So...

    Denmark starts an air-fryer delights thread and invites all to come and see, then complains when viewers look at the food instead of at the tits.



    Did Denmark flounce from this Intelligence sharing agreement soon after?
    Obviously this was outside of the scope of actual intel sharing. Otherwise it wouldn't be a story. You just look like an excuse making hack. Inconsistent hypocrite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Goodness, countries interfering on each other, unheard of, what next.

    If Russia did this to Belarus you'd have a hissy fit. Because you are inconsistent and a hyprocrite



    You sometimes go along with the garden verity china propaganda. Like Uiger pity, Tibet pity , south china sea faux outrage
    Are you saying Russia DIDN'T interfere in the U.s. election ?

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    Oh, look another thread where Skidmark proves what an utter imbecile he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Oh, look another thread where Skidmark proves what an utter imbecile he is.
    Eery post he proves it . . . and subtlety is lost on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Are you saying Russia DIDN'T interfere in the U.s. election ?

    Of course Russia fucking interfered in the US election. As all major countries do to each other all the time. It was mostly just petty nonsense like 100k worth of stupid facebook ads and RT television that nobody watches. But be that as it may.

    Do you think KGB wizards hacked into voting machines or something in 2016 ? (they didn't)

    In order to be consistent and not a hypocrite, if you are cavalier about state industrial espionage , you should be cavalier about petty election interference

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    Were they using Huawei equipment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Obviously this was outside of the scope of actual intel sharing.
    If it's Danish eyes only information putting it on the same network or data centre as one shared with other countries is risky. This is information security 101. You'd have to assume that either the details of the future fighter deal were not a high enough priority to hide away or someone made a bad decision when it came to classifying the data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B View Post
    If it's Danish eyes only information putting it on the same network or data centre as one shared with other countries is risky. This is information security 101. You'd have to assume that either the details of the future fighter deal were not a high enough priority to hide away or someone made a bad decision when it came to classifying the data.
    Erm....

    The Danish scandal has led to the government firing five people in the leadership of the Defense Intelligence Service, ie Denmark’s equivalent of FRA.

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    Erm...

    Yes.

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    So it was a Danish mistake.


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    ^

    Well...
    Not mentioned in the OP but in the linked article (would've backed up the OPs argument better)

    According to DR, the NSA used its Xkeyscore system, which trawls through and analyzes global internet data, to seek information on Terma. An unnamed source said that search criteria had included individual email addresses and phone numbers of company employees.
    Officially described as part of the NSA’s “lawful foreign signals intelligence collection system,” Xkeyscore is understood to be able to obtain email correspondence, browser history, chat conversations, and call logs.
    In this case, the sources also contend that the NSA used its access to Danish communication cables and FE databases to search for communications related to two other companies, Eurofighter GmbH and Saab, who were respectively offering the Typhoon and Gripen multi-role fighters for the Danish F-16 replacement program. While the Gripen was withdrawn from the Danish competition in 2014, the Typhoon remained in the running until the end, alongside the F-35 and the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.

    Looks like there was a specific attempt made to get information about the project. Whether that was for industrial espionage or just intelligence purposes, who knows? You'd hope an ally wouldn't go looking at your sensitive data but if you don't secure it can you blame them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B View Post
    You'd hope an ally wouldn't go looking at your sensitive data but if you don't secure it can you blame them?
    Exactly. If you knowingly give access to your entire dataflow to people, and haven't encrypted the shit you don't want people to see, som num na.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Erm....
    So some 5th columnists were fired for illegally spying for the US. And how you think this supports your side of the argument , I'll never know.

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