Thread: Azerbaijan and Armenia on brink of outright war

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Don't panic everyone, Vlad is sending in 'peacekeepers'. We all know how that works.

We do not panic. However, we do not know "that works"... Perhaps harry can enlighten us?
Something like it "works" in Iraq? (do not dare to mention Afgh...)

Originally Posted by panama hat

Why do you insist on writing things that are blatantly untrue an then refuse to accept that they are - making maters worse each and every time?

Because he is a stupid, manchild.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Don't panic everyone, Vlad is sending in 'peacekeepers'. We all know how that works.

If I were in a 3W conflict zone, I would rather be buffered by Russian peacekeepers that neither side would attack with impunity, than UN/US/EU peacekeepers which are in open season.

Originally Posted by jabir

I would rather be buffered by Russian peacekeepers that neither side would attack with impunity

You must have forgotten about the Russian heli the Azeris shot down. But then again I am sure it was an accident.

Originally Posted by bsnub

You must have forgotten about the Russian heli the Azeris shot down. But then again I am sure it was an accident.

Umm that's partly what caused Putin to force the Moscow plan on the region in 5 minutes with 2 phone calls.

France the US and Russia have been negotiating a plan for the region for 30 years. And Putin was able to implement his plan without even contacting the US or France.

So not even one "Congratulations President Putin on a Job Well Done"? Didn't think so.

. . . but if you didn't see Skidmark's post then you must be blind or are just typing for the heck of it.

Publicist Sergey Mardan writes about Nagorno-Karabakh, politNavigator reports.

"Pashinyan led Armenia to defeat in Karabakh. While the Azerbaijani General Staff worked for several years under the leadership of the Turkish military with experience of war against Kurds and Syrians, Yerevan dismissed the entire "Karabagh" clan and began stripping the Armenian army.

Instead of preparing for a war that has been inevitable for 30 years, building an echeloned defense, accumulating weapons and conducting combat training of military units, Pashinyan led Armenia to Western "democracy," the author notes.

"Instead of starting every morning with a map of the world on which Armenia is surrounded by enemies, and then every morning to send Putin a telegram with assurances of loyal feelings, with the wish of health and well-being, Pashinyan did not even fulfill the polite request of the guarantor of the survival of the Armenian people to leave alone his personal friend - Kacharyan," the publicist writes.

He recalls that in 1660 Armenian merchants brought the famous "Diamond Throne" to the Russian Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich as a sign of loyalty.

"And their heir, Nikola Pashinyan, did not come to meet Putin at the airport during his visit to Armenia on October 1, 2019, despite the standard diplomatic
protocol. According to the "Eastern protocol" that Pashinyan had to soak up with his mother's milk, it was tantamount to an open insult, which could not go unpunished".

Originally Posted by bsnub

You must have forgotten about the Russian heli the Azeris shot down. But then again I am sure it was an accident.

OMG, yes I did forget about that accident.

Well done snubby me ole fruit, there's great benefit to having someone like you on location, to pick through every comment for errors and oversights.

And as we know, I mean you do know now that backspin mentioned it, there were no consequences, right?

Originally Posted by jabir

And as we know, I mean you do know now that backspin mentioned it, there were no consequences, right?

That was not the point though was it. You made an inaccurate statement and I called you on it. Like I said before I am sure you really believe that it was an accident.

Originally Posted by sabang

So not even one "Congratulations President Putin on a Job Well Done"? Didn't think so.

Surely "congratulations President Putin on exploiting another conflict for his own benefit"?

Certainly can't deny that. Not like a politician to exploit a situation for his own image & benefit, e'hhh? But Russia/ Putin is the regional hegemon in the Caucasus region. no question there.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Surely "congratulations President Putin on exploiting another conflict for his own benefit"?

Enlighten us please, what is "his own benefit"? Perhaps the shot helicopter? Or his peacemakers he has to feed and maintain, some more "accidents" can always happen. As if he does not have enough of his other "benefits"?

(Just curious - but I obviously do not have a "clue" as our Master of Demagogy always has...)

Originally Posted by Klondyke

but I obviously do not have a "clue"

Pearls of wisdom, Klondyke. Well done.

Originally Posted by sabang

Certainly can't deny that. Not like a politician to exploit a situation for his own image & benefit, e'hhh? But Russia/ Putin is the regional hegemon in the Caucasus region. no question there.

Yeah.......

Others would argue that it's a little more than that.

The Telegram channel ‘Nezygar,’ which is close to the Russian President’s administration, outlined 12 conditions for Russia to provide Pashinyan with military support. Among these are: recognition of the Crimea as part of Russia; the status of Russia as the official language; economic integration with the Eurasian Economic Union; and activation of the Armenian diaspora in the EU and the US to lobby for the lifting of anti-Russian sanctions.

Putin’s Gameplan in the Armenia-Azeri Conflict – Byline Times

For harry who is very concerned about about the plead of both parties (similarly we know his concern about Uighurs), herewith the treaty:

"We, the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan IG Aliyev, the Prime Minister of the Republic of Armenia NV Pashinjan and the President of the Russian Federation VV Putin:

1. The full ceasefire and all hostilities in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict The Republic of Armenia (hereinafter referred to as the "Parties") shall cease its positions.

2. The Aghdam region will be returned to the Republic of Azerbaijan by 20 November 2020.

3. A peace contingent of the Russian Federation of 1,960 small arms soldiers, 90 armored personnel carriers, 380 cars and special equipment will be deployed along the Nagorno-Karabakh front line and along the Lachin corridor. .

4. The Peace Contingent of the Russian Federation shall take up its positions in parallel with the withdrawal of the Armenian Armed Forces. The duration of the stay of the peace contingent of the Russian Federation shall be five years with automatic renewal for regular periods of five years, unless either Party notifies six months before the expiry of the intention to terminate the application of this provision.

5. In order to increase the effectiveness of the monitoring of the implementation of the agreements by the parties to the conflict, a ceasefire peace center shall be established.

6. The Republic of Armenia shall return the Kelbajar region to the Republic of Azerbaijan by 15 November 2020 and the Lachin region by 1 December 2020. At the same time, a 5 km wide Lachin Corridor will be established to provide connections between Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia. The city of Shushi will be under the control of a peace contingent of the Russian Federation. Following the agreement of the parties, a plan will be set up over the next three years to build a new transport route along the Lachin corridor providing communication between Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia, followed by the relocation of a Russian peacekeeping contingent to protect the route. The Republic of Azerbaijan guarantees traffic safety along the Lachin Corridor for citizens, vehicles and goods in both directions.

7. Internally displaced persons and refugees shall return to the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh and the surrounding areas under the control of the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

8. Prisoners of war, hostages and other detainees and dead bodies shall be exchanged.

9. All economic and transport connections in the region will be unblocked. The Republic of Armenia guarantees the security of transport links between the western regions of the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Autonomous Republic of Nachichevan in order to ensure the smooth movement of citizens, vehicles and goods in both directions. Transport control is performed by the border guards of the FSB of Russia. Upon agreement of the parties, the construction of new transport links connecting the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic with the western regions of Azerbaijan will be ensured. "

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Surely "congratulations President Putin on exploiting another conflict for his own benefit"?

He went the extra to address it more efficiently than anything the UN/EU/US did, which is a good idea considering he didn't kick it off and it's in his back yard.

Not liking someone doesn't make you right or them wrong all the time; right, snubby?

Originally Posted by jabir

He went the extra to address it more efficiently than anything the UN/EU/US did, which is a good idea considering he didn't kick it off and it's in his back yard.

Not liking someone doesn't make you right or them wrong all the time; right, snubby?

Is it good that he's stepped in to stop a war, one side of which he's responsible for arming?

On balance, it's good to stop any war, even if your motives are totally fucking suspect.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Yeah.......

Others would argue that it's a little more than that.


Putin’s Gameplan in the Armenia-Azeri Conflict – Byline Times

And ? What would you have done ? Armenia got what it deserved. Good and hard.

Pashinyan is hoping for the coming to power of Democrats after the elections in November this year, which will allow him to strengthen support from abroad for anti-Russian discourse, as well as attract significantly larger financial injections into civil society organizations and institutions that are aimed at undermining Armenian-Russian relations.

Pashinyan actively seeks to bring the country closer to the European Union. Armenia, being a member of the Eastern Partnership Program, signed in 2017 with the EU the Comprehensive and Enhanced Partnership Agreement with the EU. After Pashinyan came to power, discussions about leaving the Eurasian economic Union are increasingly promoted among the country’s leadership mainly at the behest of the pro-Western NGOs.

At the same time, financial support from the United States for Armenia is one of the largest in the world. The US Agency for International Development, an independent agency of the United States federal government that is primarily responsible for administering civilian and development assistance, invested $106 million in the health sector of Armenia to combat COVID-19. In general, according to his data, Armenia has already received more than 27 million dollars from the US in 2020, while the majority of this amount, 12 million, was invested in the sector of governance.

Here's the president of Armenia chumming it up with Nato.

Originally Posted by Backspin

Armenia got what it deserved. Good and hard.

Does that excite you, Skidmark?

Originally Posted by Backspin

which will allow him to strengthen support from abroad for anti-Russian discourse,

You have a problem with that? Why should Armenia not be able to choose its friends and allies?

You've heard of these, read up halfwit:

Armenian Genocide - Wikipedia

Red Army invasion of Armenia - Wikipedia


I made it wiki so you'd know the source

The irony here of course, is that this war happened specifically because an anti Russian government came into power. The president of Azerbaijan couldn't resist the opportunity to strike.

The double irony is that it was a treaty ally of a Nato member (Turkey) who did the striking. Azerbaijan has a treaty with Turkey with an article 5 clause. An attack on Azerbaijan is an attack on Turkey. Its fairly obvious to anyone with a half a brain cell, that Armenia has to get its protection from Russia. Come hell or high water.

And it was still Russia who did come in and save what was left of Nagarno Karabahk and put the muscle behind this peace deal

Originally Posted by panama hat

Does that excite you, Skidmark?






You have a problem with that? Why should Armenia not be able to choose its friends and allies?

You've heard of these, read up halfwit:

Armenian Genocide - Wikipedia

Red Army invasion of Armenia - Wikipedia


I made it wiki so you'd know the source

Lol the Armenian genocide was done by a country that is in Nato now and who still hasn't recognized it or apologized for it.

You have a problem with that? Why should Armenia not be able to choose its friends and allies?

No. No problem at all. Russia doesn't have a problem with it. See the red box

You're too thick to stay on topic or on point.

Originally Posted by panama hat

You're too thick to stay on topic or on point.

As I've said before, he's a classic example of a little knowledge being dangerous.

He clearly reads a lot of stuff on the Internet (some stuff even beyond the headline), but he doesn't have the mental capacity to understand/evaluate it and only gives it credence anyway if it fits his nutjob conspiracy theories, which are also garnered from the tinfoil-hat corners of the Internet.

He's just an idiot. Very good sport to laugh at though.