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    They're naming as a 'person of interest' some lady who spent the night with him. She certainly had the access- but she also flew to Germany with him, when he was Medivaced. Why, if she's the perp? That seems doubtful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    A group allegedly found "evidence" which they passed on to external group.

    One suspects the said "evidence" would be deemed "tainted" and of no value in a court of law.
    Get with the program, Russia no longer questions if it was novichok. Today it is about who did it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Get with the program, Russia no longer questions if it was novichok. Today it is about who did it.
    OhNo's deflections 101

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    OhNo's deflections 101
    Not much point in engaging with Pinky and Perky really. Apart from when you're laughing at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Get with the program, Russia no longer questions if it was novichok. Today it is about who did it.
    You really do believe all this nonsense don't you

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Simple . . . he hasn't changed his mindset:



    And our three Putin-lovers admire his murderous methods . . . also why they like Trump - something about admiring bullies
    Putin had a boring post in Germany after joining the KGB. He quit to start his own private law practice. He ended up in the liberal boys club in St. Pete's. And did some paper shuffling for the mayor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    Not much point in engaging with Pinky and Perky really. Apart from when you're laughing at them.
    Same goes for skidmark really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Same goes for skidmark really.
    Yeah, and whereas the other 2 clearly live in fear of being abducted in the middle of the night and sent for 999 years re-education, Skidmark is full whackjob of his own volition (not forgetting the influence of the nutcase websites he gullibly laps up).

    Arguably worse than P and P.

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    Curious why this thread is not in the Doghouse mods?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Russia no longer questions if it was novichok.
    It appears not if one takes these reports from Tass as the Russian viewpoint:

    OPCW redirects Moscowís request on Navalny case to Berlin


    "MOSCOW, September 17. /TASS/. Moscow contacted the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) with regard to the situation surrounding blogger Alexey Navalny but the OPCW said that requests should be sent to Berlin, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova told Rossiya-1ís 60 Minutes show on Thursday.

    "We contacted the OPCW, which, unfortunately, played for time and then said that we needed to contact Berlin," she said. "Berlin in turn, sent us back to the OPCW. It is a vicious cycle, it is illogical and absurd and everyone understands it," the diplomat pointed out."

    OPCW redirects Moscowís request on Navalny case to Berlin - World - TASS


    OPCW not finished with analysis of Navalnyís test samples yet

    BERLIN, September 18. /TASS/. The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has not yet completed the analysis of test samples taken from Russian blogger Alexey Navalny, German Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Maria Adebahr told a news briefing in Berlin on Friday.

    "The testing is still in progress. We have not seen the results yet," she said.

    The OPCW said on Thursday that it had received a request for technical assistance over the Navalny affair from Germany. A group of experts from the OPCW Technical Secretariat took biomedical samples from Navalny for tests at OPCW-certified laboratories. The results will be presented to the German authorities as soon as they are ready, the OPCW"

    OPCW not finished with analysis of Navalnyís test samples yet - World - TASS

    German cabinet spokesman reiterates call on Russia for clarifications on Navalny incident

    "Steffen Seibert declined to comment on reports concerning a plastic bottle, which, according to Navalnyís team, had been brought to Berlin from Russia and had traces of the Novichok nerve agent.

    BERLIN, September 18. /TASS/. Germany insists that Russia clarify the circumstances of the alleged poisoning of Alexey Navalny, German Government Spokesman Steffen Seibert said at a briefing in Berlin on Friday.

    According to Seibert, the European Unionís summit, set to take place on September 24-25, would particularly discuss relations with Turkey and China. When asked why Russia was not on the agenda, he said: "As it usually happens at summits, other issues may also be discussed, I canít specify them, weíll see."

    Seibert declined to comment on reports concerning a plastic bottle, which, according to Navalnyís team, had been brought to Berlin from Russia and had traces of the Novichok nerve agent. "The government has taken note of the Navalny teamís video," he said, adding: "We have said everything we have to say in our press releases and we have nothing to add."

    German cabinet spokesman reiterates call on Russia for clarifications on Navalny incident - World - TASS


    Russian Prosecutor Generalís Office sends appeals to France, Sweden over Navalny


    "Earlier, the Russian Prosecutor Generalís Office sent two appeals over the Navalny incident to Germany

    MOSCOW, September 18. /TASS/. The Russian Prosecutor Generalís Office has sent appeals of legal aid to the relevant agencies of France and Sweden over the incident involving the alleged poisoning of Russian opposition figure Alexey Navalny, the office told reporters.

    "Based on the European Convention on Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters, on September 18, 2020, the relevant appeals for legal aid were sent to the agencies of France and Sweden," the office noted, adding, "the new appeals request information on the toxicological tests of Navalnyís biomaterials held in France and Sweden as well as the interviews of foreign experts.

    Earlier, the Russian Prosecutor Generalís Office sent two appeals over the Navalny incident to Germany. "They are yet to be processed," the office noted. Russia launched a probe into Navalnyís hospitalization on August 20."

    Russian Prosecutor Generalís Office sends appeals to France, Sweden over Navalny - World - TASS

    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Today it is about who did it.
    Do you have any evidence or sources for your opinion?
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Do you have any evidence or sources for your opinion?
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    TASS
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    TASS
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    TASS
    Do you?


    Here's one you'd like, source and all:

    MIKE TYSON OFFERED SERIOUS CA$H TO FIGHT RUSSIAN DICTATOR VLADIMIR PUTIN


    As Radar readers know, Putin has recently been busted for having a bizarre Hollywood the list filled with dirty secretes on Tinseltown’s biggest stars – all of which he is reportedly prepared to expose if they crusade against
    Russian outrages.

    Putin is reported to have declined due to 'ill health'.

    Mike Tyson Offered Cash To Fight Russian Dictator Vladimir Putin
    And this is from a Pro-Trump/Putin newspaper.

    And more:

    THE WORLD’S MOST POPULAR MASS MURDERER: PUTIN


    by Alex HollingsDec 7, 2017SHARE THIS:
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    Russian President Vladimir Putin announced on Wednesday that he will once again seek reelection, marking his fourth bid for the top office in his nation.
    Putin is expected to secure reelection quite easily, despite a growing opposition movement within his nation. Between terms as president and Russian Prime Minister, his reelection will mean Putin’s reign of power will extend over a massive 24-year span, making him the longest sitting Russian leader since Joseph Stalin who retained power for 29 years.
    Putin, a former KGB agent who rose to prominence via questionable means, has become a cultural icon both inside Russia and externally. Memes of the bare-chested world leader riding bears or looking generally disinterested in geopolitics have made their rounds on numerous U.S. based websites for years. Within Russia, many see him as the man that has restored national pride since the fall of the Soviet Union.
    (Twitter)However, despite the man’s well-tailored public image that leans heavily on things like his black belt in judo and quiet but threatening charm, Vladimir Putin’s actions have also cultivated a different kind or reputation: that of a despotic war criminal, responsible for the deaths of countless innocent people.
    Most of such accusations remain a degree or two removed from the Russian leader however, as the Russian government retains legal control over the nation’s media, permitting his total authority in controlling the narrative that gets funneled to the Russian citizenry. Outside the Russian state, the same type of perception manipulation campaigns employed by the Russian government in other political spheres are also used to portray the man in a positive light, and by relation, the government he heads.
    Here is a brief (and far from exhaustive) list of some of the things Putin has been involved in that help solidify his position as one of the most influential leaders on the globe – as well as what could be considered a direct threat to American interests and the safety of those who oppose him.
    Read Next: How a terror attack in St. Petersburg will help Putin's reelection efforts

    • He has been implicated in the bombing of two Russian apartment buildings in 1999, which helped him justify the start of the second Chechen War as well as helping to solidify his bid for power.
    • Putin’s regime has promoted, supplied, and aided terror groups in places like Ukraine, where thousands have lost their lives in skirmishes between pro-Russian and loyalist groups.
    • Putin has continued to provide direct military support to the Bashar Al Assad’s Syrian regime, potentially going so far as to aid in hiding chemical weapons Assad has used on civilians.
    • Under Vladimir Putin, the Russian government has become one of the most corrupt on the planet — leading many to suspect that Putin himself may now not only be the richest man on the planet, but richer than the top two official entries combined, with an estimated net worth of over $200 billion.
    • Putin has been implicated in the assassination or disappearances of a number of democrats, journalists and opposition leaders within his nation, like Alexander Litvinenko, Anna Politkovskaya, Boris Nemtsov, Sergei Magnitsky, Natalia Estemirova, Sergei Yushenkov, Paul Klebnikov, Stanislav Markelov and Anastasia Baburova. Litvinenko, notably, was killed by being poisoned by radioactive polonium-210, available primarily to the Russian FSB (the successor to the KGB).
    • Putin ordered the military annexation of Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, an act that continues to have reverberating effects in global politics and military posture, and likely will for years to come.
    • Putin has provided tacit support for Kim Jong Un’s North Korean regime, including increasing trade and oil supply shipments amid an international effort to isolate the nation and force Kim to relinquish his pursuit of nuclear weapons.

    Despite the ever-growing list of accusations levied against Putin, his strangle hold on the nation’s media has allowed him to retain a great deal of popularity among his people. It is also important to note that, under Putin’s leadership, the quality of life for many Russians who saw a great deal of suffering following the collapse of the Soviet Union, has improved since the early 90s – a point that can’t be overstated when attempting to ascertain how a man responsible for so many deaths manages to retain his position as among the world’s most popular leaders.
    Primarily, however, Putin’s popularity can be summed up in one line: It’s Russia against the world. Russian politics have long relied on the idea that the West, primarily the United States, is “out to get” the people of Russia – a political strategy mirrored by Kim Jong Un’s regime in North Korea. Ramzan Kadyrov, Head of the Chechnyan Republic, said it best when chiming in on Putin’s announcement via Instagram: “It’s only him who is capable of resisting the massive, ruthless and unprecedented attack organized by our frenemies from the U.S. and Western Europe.”




    It would seem that the international community’s efforts to hold Vladimir Putin accountable for the actions of his state have only helped to solidify his position and popularity within Russia and among its allies, which begs the question: will he ever willingly step down?
    https://sofrep.com/news/the-worlds-m...-election-bid/



    Sources that you cannot criticise.

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    Is there any judiciary court in the world that would allow the prosecution to present any "evidence" without any forensic proof that the "evidence" was collected at the crime scene? (just curious...)

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    Er....the Koh Tao murders do spring to mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    They're naming as a 'person of interest' some lady who spent the night with him. She certainly had the access- but she also flew to Germany with him, when he was Medivaced. Why, if she's the perp? That seems doubtful.
    If that lady is Maria Petchik (?) then it conflicts with more recent revelations, she could not have flown direct from Russia to Germany, because at that time there were no commercial flights between the two countries. But there were commercial flights between Russia and UK, and UK and Germany. Some things start fitting into place, still no answers because the Germans haven't learned to stfu until they know what bullshit statement or story is being spouted by which official to contradict those of another, while the entire narrative is stumbling blind in the middle of a minefield sown with old 'facts' that cannot be reconciled with more lethal surfacing facts.

    All of this adds to the confusion, which appears to have begun in Germany by German officials, but new stuff coming out makes it not impossible that the scheme was hatched in good ole UK with the Germans picking up either as patsies or collaborators. Petchik's route from Russia to Germany was almost certainly via the UK.

    After the false tea narrative was slaughtered, and even Putin haters began raising eyebrows, it's striking that we first hear about the water bottle when Petchik turns up in Germany, from UK, carrying a bottle containing traces of novichok with which Putin's thugs supposedly used to try and kill an opponent, and failed, and forgot to remove from the scene of the crime! Then, when Navalny became ill and his team returned to search his room, 4 hours after checking out, these professionals overlooked the bottle which Putin's killers forgot to remove, and the type of delivery system they would be looking for; at some later time the Russian Petchik woman happens along, with legal Brit travel documents but no official or Party authority to be anywhere near the hotel room that Navalny occupied, she stumbles upon the bottle, identifies it as the weapon, and thinks fcuk me let's smuggle it out of Russia via UK to Germany.

    There you go for starters, if anyone believes any of this shit on top of previous shit and more shit coming, don't be shy, post it, because even many in the anti-Putin camp are beginning to question wtf is going on, now not just with Germany but also where Britain fits into it, which appears increasingly likely.

    Meanwhile on the administrative front, Russia again asks Germany for the data, which the Germans have since given to the OPCW, Germany says no but we've given it to the OPCW so go ask them, and Russia does, and the OPCW refers them to Germany. Somebody is trying to delay any chance that Russia, the defendant, might be able to defend itself.

    Whatever the answers, there's a massive cover up of an attempt to pervert the course of justice, at the highest levels, that went horribly wrong, just like at Salisbury where that fraudulent narrative was pimped at a time when sentiment was so strong against the Russians that it became not just acceptable but fact. Sure, it could be a coincidence that in both cases bottles were used as tools of murder, and both conspicuously left behind, by highly trained assassins from the Kremlin, for hostile authorities to find.

    Just saying, Porton Down is not a million miles from Salisbury, where other highly trained Russian assassins forgot about a perfume bottle, now it's a water bottle, and the other common coincidence is that both were left behind to fall into the hands of the Brit authorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Get with the program, Russia no longer questions if it was novichok. Today it is about who did it.
    I'm no expert and we can dilute the numbers to please, but from what I've read novichok is between 6-8x stronger than the most toxic Brit or US nerve agent. Once it gets into you that's it, you're sick, and no way you tick along for 4 hours from hotel to plane with zero effects. One so-called expert I have read suggests this would be a milder, time released version of novichok; unfortunately this leads to so many other uncomfortable questions that I doubt either UK or Germany would like to go that route. But seeing as almost every act or statement seems to dig a deeper hole, could be they're so far gone that the only way out of this bizarre venture is to persuade enough people that want to believe it was Putin, who failed to kill an inconsequential opponent (3 seats from 20,000!) on Russian soil, then saved his life and sent the evidence to Germany.

    More on the water bottle said to be found in Navalny's hotel room. When his team check into a hotel it's not one room they book but several, and security doesn't automatically give him the best room, so there's no way for anyone other than high ranking insiders to know which will be his room. If it was an inside job, then the question arises who dunnit and there's zero evidence that Putin was behind it. Being despised is not proof of guilt.

    Even knowing his hotel room, placing a laced bottle there gives no guarantee that anyone will drink from it, and even less that it will be him and not somebody else. More likely, if he was poisoned, it was at close quarters, assassin to Navalny, on the plane, which is where be fell ill.

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    An agent provaceur ?

    Mossad ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    An agent provaceur ?
    Are you using their code?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    If that lady is Maria Petchik (?) then it conflicts with more recent revelations, she could not have flown direct from Russia to Germany, because at that time there were no commercial flights between the two countries
    Why to add another confusion? Read what's written:

    Originally Posted by sabang (Russias Navalny in coma in ICU after alleged poisoning)
    They're naming as a 'person of interest' some lady who spent the night with him. She certainly had the access- but she also flew to Germany with him, when he was Medivaced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    He has been implicated in the bombing of two Russian apartment buildings in 1999, which helped him justify the start of the second Chechen War as well as helping to solidify his bid for power.
    Putin’s regime has promoted, supplied, and aided terror groups in places like Ukraine, where thousands have lost their lives in skirmishes between pro-Russian and loyalist groups.
    Putin has continued to provide direct military support to the Bashar Al Assad’s Syrian regime, potentially going so far as to aid in hiding chemical weapons Assad has used on civilians.
    Under Vladimir Putin, the Russian government has become one of the most corrupt on the planet — leading many to suspect that Putin himself may now not only be the richest man on the planet, but richer than the top two official entries combined, with an estimated net worth of over $200 billion.
    Putin has been implicated in the assassination or disappearances of a number of democrats, journalists and opposition leaders within his nation, like Alexander Litvinenko, Anna Politkovskaya, Boris Nemtsov, Sergei Magnitsky, Natalia Estemirova, Sergei Yushenkov, Paul Klebnikov, Stanislav Markelov and Anastasia Baburova. Litvinenko, notably, was killed by being poisoned by radioactive polonium-210, available primarily to the Russian FSB (the successor to the KGB).
    Putin ordered the military annexation of Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, an act that continues to have reverberating effects in global politics and military posture, and likely will for years to come.
    Putin has provided tacit support for Kim Jong Un’s North Korean regime, including increasing trade and oil supply shipments amid an international effort to isolate the nation and force Kim to relinquish his pursuit of nuclear weapons.
    Fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    If that lady is Maria Petchik (?) then it conflicts with more recent revelations, she could not have flown direct from Russia to Germany, because at that time there were no commercial flights between the two countries. But there were commercial flights between Russia and UK, and UK and Germany. Some things start fitting into place, still no answers because the Germans haven't learned to stfu until they know what bullshit statement or story is being spouted by which official to contradict those of another, while the entire narrative is stumbling blind in the middle of a minefield sown with old 'facts' that cannot be reconciled with more lethal surfacing facts.

    All of this adds to the confusion, which appears to have begun in Germany by German officials, but new stuff coming out makes it not impossible that the scheme was hatched in good ole UK with the Germans picking up either as patsies or collaborators. Petchik's route from Russia to Germany was almost certainly via the UK.

    After the false tea narrative was slaughtered, and even Putin haters began raising eyebrows, it's striking that we first hear about the water bottle when Petchik turns up in Germany, from UK, carrying a bottle containing traces of novichok with which Putin's thugs supposedly used to try and kill an opponent, and failed, and forgot to remove from the scene of the crime! Then, when Navalny became ill and his team returned to search his room, 4 hours after checking out, these professionals overlooked the bottle which Putin's killers forgot to remove, and the type of delivery system they would be looking for; at some later time the Russian Petchik woman happens along, with legal Brit travel documents but no official or Party authority to be anywhere near the hotel room that Navalny occupied, she stumbles upon the bottle, identifies it as the weapon, and thinks fcuk me let's smuggle it out of Russia via UK to Germany.

    There you go for starters, if anyone believes any of this shit on top of previous shit and more shit coming, don't be shy, post it, because even many in the anti-Putin camp are beginning to question wtf is going on, now not just with Germany but also where Britain fits into it, which appears increasingly likely.

    Meanwhile on the administrative front, Russia again asks Germany for the data, which the Germans have since given to the OPCW, Germany says no but we've given it to the OPCW so go ask them, and Russia does, and the OPCW refers them to Germany. Somebody is trying to delay any chance that Russia, the defendant, might be able to defend itself.

    Whatever the answers, there's a massive cover up of an attempt to pervert the course of justice, at the highest levels, that went horribly wrong, just like at Salisbury where that fraudulent narrative was pimped at a time when sentiment was so strong against the Russians that it became not just acceptable but fact. Sure, it could be a coincidence that in both cases bottles were used as tools of murder, and both conspicuously left behind, by highly trained assassins from the Kremlin, for hostile authorities to find.

    Just saying, Porton Down is not a million miles from Salisbury, where other highly trained Russian assassins forgot about a perfume bottle, now it's a water bottle, and the other common coincidence is that both were left behind to fall into the hands of the Brit authorities.
    This reads like the insane ramblings of one of those QAnon nutters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Curious why this thread is not in the Doghouse mods?
    You are right!

    Putin = Doghouse

    or is there anything positive to report about this communist wanker ?

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    Unfortunately, the heinous crime against Navalny - whoever did it (a gardener?) - will get Europe in the danger of the ice age when the NS2 will not bring the necessary heat (the other Streams - the Russians call it Creeks - already in operation will be shut down as well - it will teach Putin a lesson).

    And as Frau Merkel declared few years ago the "Energie-Wende" (Energie U-turn - shutting down the nukes and the coal as well), it's surely manageable, didn't they survived the terrible winter in 1945/46?

    Besides, not to come such misery, there are some friends who surely can help. Some German Big Guys promised to spend $1B to build 2 terminals for liquified gas - the one bought in Siberia but supplied by others - then please please let us have the NS2, will you?

    Luckily, no such cruel punishment for the world was concluded when the poor Kashoggi disappeared from this world, we can further enjoy our oil consumption - and some do not need to lose the needed jobs and have further profits from the weaponry production...

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    The videos and pics of Navalny's team searching his hotel room, 4 hours after he checked out, and which they filmed to document the event as potential evidence, and to show that they are playing it by the book, have the team wearing no protective gear aside from gloves. So he fell ill on the plane, suspect was poison, symptoms indicate novichok, team is sent to search his hotel room for evidence, and in they go, 3-4 guys with gloves searching for contaminants or a source or delivery system for the world's most deadliest poison, casually bagging and tossing stuff around. One of them picks up the so-called water bottle, holds it up to be filmed then puts it down and gets on with the search.

    Just as well Petchik (?) appears on the crime scene after the professionals had left, if indeed it was the scene of a crime which I find less and less credible, and inexplicably since nobody appears to know much about her beyond Brit credentials, and being part of or on the fringes of Navalny's team. She knows his room, has means to enter the unattended scene of a high profile attempted murder of an insignificant political opponent, via novichok, the deadliest poison which fails to kill, she finds and somehow identifies the infamous water bottle that professionals missed even though it was the type of item they were searching for, and smuggles it out of Russia via UK to Germany, to save the planet from Putin.

    She takes it to the UK, just as the farcical tea story was being buried, and somewhere in the UK (I won't mention Porton Down, that's too close to Salisbury) Jesus at MI6 decides to convert tea into water.

    Until a few days ago I was critical of the German role, still am, and can't put my finger on it but expect anytime soon that the investigation will veer away from Germany at the core of this farce, and toward UK. And then unlikely, since the Brits are no stranger to muddying the waters of sinister/criminal plots that go embarrassingly wrong, but hopefully an honest and competent journalist if such things exist gets their teeth into it for some of the misdirection to be replaced by the truth. The tea misdirection failed, and the water bottle misdirection is suffering the same fate. What will they come up with next?

    IF Navalny was poisoned, with novichok, it was seconds before falling ill, on the plane; as a lay person with no expertise, I could also go with the only way for that to happen without risking infection to others is by some form of injection, from a sealed source and direct into his body.

    But the longer this current story and sub-plots run the more it stinks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    And that, after the utmost effort of Jelcin and Gorbatchov to bring Russia with their empty shelves down to knees...



    Novichock = 1970
    Puting KGB = 1975

    Can you see the similarities ?
    Sorry if I'm arguing like communist swine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Unfortunately, the heinous crime against Navalny - whoever did it (a gardener?) - will get Europe in the danger of the ice age when the NS2 will not bring the necessary heat (the other Streams - the Russians call it Creeks - already in operation will be shut down as well - it will teach Putin a lesson).

    And as Frau Merkel declared few years ago the "Energie-Wende" (Energie U-turn - shutting down the nukes and the coal as well), it's surely manageable, didn't they survived the terrible winter in 1945/46?

    Besides, not to come such misery, there are some friends who surely can help. Some German Big Guys promised to spend $1B to build 2 terminals for liquified gas - the one bought in Siberia but supplied by others - then please please let us have the NS2, will you?

    Luckily, no such cruel punishment for the world was concluded when the poor Kashoggi disappeared from this world, we can further enjoy our oil consumption - and some do not need to lose the needed jobs and have further profits from the weaponry production...

    Why do I get this feeling that you are one of the second worst species that Germany has ever produced.
    A former DDR communist swine ?

    If not....a closely related Warsaw Pact comrade?

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