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    ^The picture hasn't lasted a minute...

    Another Colour Revolution Attempt? Belarus - Election Time.-nato-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    So maybe, Mr. Putin has got scared now when he heard from EU (and from a big supperpower, please no names here) that he is not allowed to meddle in his Union fellow member as he promised more than 20 years ago to cooperate.
    I'm sure he was warned off! Mr Belaruse chappie made a mistake a couple of months back when he wouldn't play the "Pandemic" game! Belarus president unwilling to accept additional terms to get foreign loans since then, they have decided he won't be a player anymore, guess those Saudi's, Egypt etc are playing the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    When at last the dangerous Mr. P. will stop to extend his borders towards NATO?

    Hadn't it been promised by his predecessor?


    NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard



    Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner

    Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 – U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University (National Security Archive | 30+ Years of Freedom of Information Action).

    NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard | National Security Archive
    Just remind me how many times Russia has been invaded by Nato? Your warped view does not seem to account for why most of eastern europe wishes to join the EU and not Russia. Or why Taiwan and Hong Kong do not want to be part of China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Just remind me how many times Russia has been invaded by Nato?
    Or any other country for that matter. . . the answer is not surprisingly . . . zero

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Your warped view does not seem to account for why most of eastern europe wishes to join the EU and not Russia.
    Hmm . . . like why there aren't many migrants emigrate to Russia (unless they're ethnic Russian) or China . . . but Russians and Chinese emigrate to the US, Germany, Australia, Canada, Britain, France etc... by the millions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Or why Taiwan and Hong Kong do not want to be part of China.
    Strange that, isn't it

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    You're a special kind of idiot if you don't know why European countries are wary of being invaded by Russia.

    But then again we have Hoohoo and Klondyke.
    Last edited by harrybarracuda; 19-08-2020 at 03:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    special kind of idiot
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Hoohoo and Klondyke
    It's important to repeat this

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Don't be fucking silly. He's just buying himself time.
    Time won't help him much and neither will Putin who must be laughing his ass off right now.
    Russia and Belarus united under Putin's presidency is the endgame and the weaker Lukashenko gets
    the faster it will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Time won't help him much and neither will Putin who must be laughing his ass off right now.
    Russia and Belarus united under Putin's presidency is the endgame and the weaker Lukashenko gets
    the faster it will happen.
    OK buying himself time to fill the place with unmarked Putin thugs (c.f. Crimea).

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    Perhaps Germany can help as in the WW2, a quarter of Belarus population was exterminated...

    Putin warns western leaders over ‘meddling’ in Belarus

    Merkel, Macron and Michel talks recognise Russia’s crucial role in fate of Lukashenko




    Vladimir Putin warned Europe not to interfere in Belarus, as EU leaders queued up to urge the Russian leader to help steer the former Soviet republic out of its political crisis.

    Mr Putin told Angela Merkel, who called him on Tuesday, that the crisis in Belarus could escalate if “external actors tried to meddle in the republic’s internal affairs”, according to a Kremlin readout of the call. Such interference was “unacceptable”, it said.

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    ^ Don't even try it said Putin, it's mine.
    Last edited by lom; 19-08-2020 at 05:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Perhaps Germany can help as in the WW2
    You do know that it's 2020 and the positions are quite different . . . Putin heads a murderous regime this time.


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    Make glorious joke Lukashenko is much laugh Ha Ha Ha.

    1. A Belarusian is quietly walking down the street when suddenly a car stops and OMON officers try to hustle him into it. The man says “Let me go. I voted for Lukashenka!” The officers reply “No one voted for Lukashenka!”


    2. Lukashenka announces that he is tired of being president. Consequently, his coronation as kind will take place on Thursday.


    3. The head of the Belarusian election commission tells Lukashenka that she has good news and bad news for him. The good news is that he has been re-elected president of the country. The bad news is that once again, no one voted for him.


    4. Before the election, Lukashenka promised to do away with censorship in the media. He kept his promise: the first day after election, he did away with censorship; the second, he did away with the media.


    5. Elections in Belarus are like the Rocky films: with each new one, the main hero gets a little older but he still defeats everyone.


    6. A new virus has appeared on the Internet, the Lukashenka. It doesn’t influence anything but it is practically impossible to outlive.


    7. Lukashenka is the grandfather of Belarusians, but as is well known, one doesn’t get to choose one’s parents.


    8. Lukashenka is discovered by his prime minister dressing up like Osama bin Laden. He explains that Europe and America won’t take him in when he flees but perhaps the Arabs will.


    9. Belarus has introduced a new system of Internet voting: Those who are voting for Lukashenka, go to the site of the president. Those who are voting against him, go to the site of the KGB where they are told how to go to the site of the president.


    10. Lukashenka issues a decree according to which no one can run for president of Belarus unless he has been president no less than five years.


    11. After they die, bad Belarusians are sent back to live in Belarus under Lukashenka.


    12. Minsk news reports that the president’s plane has crashed but there is still no confirmation that Lukashenka was abord. Nonetheless, the news anchor says, “let us hope for the best.”


    13. They say Lukashenka is permitting Belarusians to drink 50 grams of vodka before they go to sleep. In response, many Belarusians are trying to go to sleep multiple times each night he is still in office

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    11. After they die, bad Belarusians are sent back to live in Belarus under Lukashenka.
    . . . OhOh and Klondyke will be their guides

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    My apology, I have tried hard, however, could not find anything on RT, just all the anti-Luka...

    So maybe, Mr. Putin has got scared now when he heard from EU (and from a big supperpower, please no names here) that he is not allowed to meddle in his Union fellow member as he promised more than 20 years ago to cooperate.





    Instead, the EU (also a Union, isn't it?) will meddle as they had meddled in Ukraine (and elsewhere as well). And it has worked so well, hasn't it?

    And your Russian pay masters would never dream of meddling in another countries affairs would they? BTW how did you get all that Repo? You must have some secret admirers on TD.

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    Excerpt from Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s interview with the Rossiya TV channel, Moscow, August 19, 2020

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    "Question:


    In addition to Ukraine, there is now one more point of disagreement – namely, Belarus. In your opinion, how actively will the United States and the EU try to influence, interfere in and put pressure on the political situation in Minsk? Perhaps today you even discussed this issue in your conversation with Federal Minister of Foreign Affairs of Germany Heiko Maas.

    Sergey Lavrov:


    Yes, we spoke about this today as well because we are rather concerned about the events going on in Belarus. We are concerned about the attempts to take advantage of the internal difficulties that Belarus, the Belarusian people and leadership are facing right now in order to interfere in these events and processes from the outside. Not only interfere but impose certain procedures on the Belarusians that external actors find beneficial for themselves. No one is making a secret that it is all about geopolitics, about the struggle for the post-Soviet space. We witnessed the same struggle at the previous stages of the development of the situation after the Soviet Union ceased to exist. Obviously, Ukraine is the most recent example.



    What we are now hearing from European capitals – mainly from the Baltic states (Lithuania and Estonia), as well as Poland and the European Parliament – has little to do with Lukashenko, human rights or democracy. It is about geopolitics and the rules that our Western partners want to inculcate into everyday life on our continent and in other parts of the world.

    There are international legal frameworks that must serve as guidance when it comes to determining one’s attitude towards events in a specific country. In this case, if the neighbours of Belarus see flaws in the elections and how they were organised, firstly, Belarus is a sovereign state, with its own constitution, laws and procedures. To dispute or question the election results at a specific polling station or in general must be done so based on said laws. Secondly, if we follow our own obligations, the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) has an Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR). One of its responsibilities is to monitor national elections in the OSCE member states. This responsibility is part of the obligations signed by all members of this highly respected organisation, without exception. We are being told that the violations during the election campaign were obvious and documented by voluntary observers, on social media, on camera, etc. The ODIHR itself, which was supposed to monitor the elections, claims that its representatives did not go to Belarus because the invitation was sent too late. This is not true, to put it mildly, because, like any other OSCE member state, Belarus’s only commitment is “to invite international observers to national elections.”

    The ODIHR applies different approaches to observing elections to the east of Vienna, in the post-Soviet space, on the one hand, and to the west of Vienna, especially in the United States, on the other hand. It may send 800 observers to one place, 12 to another and none to some other places. For example, the ODIHR did not send any observers to several elections in the Baltic states, despite the fact that hundreds of thousands of people in Estonia and Latvia are deprived of voting rights because they are non-citizens, a status that is shameful for the European Union. For many years, Russia and its CIS partners have been proposing to introduce, once and for all, an election monitoring regulation that would be clear to everybody and include such rules as when an invitation must be sent, what number of observers must be sent as an advance team and how many observers per capita must be sent to observe a vote directly. Our proposals have been rejected. The countries that are now loudly claiming that the ODIHR could not come to the elections because it was not invited were among those who rejected our proposals with particular fervency. Opposing the development of such criteria, they told us that the ambiguity and flexibility given to the ODIHR is a gold standard that must be cherished by all means. There is no need to explain that this ambiguity of the ODIHR’s functions has only one purpose, which is manipulation by its core staff. Its core staff consists of members of NATO and the European Union. Therefore, if the ODIHR actually followed the regulation approved by the member states, it would not have struck an attitude and claimed that it was invited too late. They were supposed to go there and observe the elections. That would have given them more grounds to report on the violations that they are inflating right now in every way.

    I am not trying to say that the elections were perfect. Of course, not. There are quite a few indications to the contrary. The same was admitted by the Belarusian leadership, which is trying to start a dialogue with the citizens who are protesting against what they consider an abuse of their rights. I would simply advise everybody to not try and take advantage of the current situation in Belarus (which is complicated) in order to undermine a proper and mutually respectful dialogue between the authorities and the public or to make it provocative. We have seen clearly provocative calls in video footage and on social media. We have seen security officers being provoked, including by brutal force used against them. I really hope that the Belarusians and the many friends of Belarus abroad will be able to sort out their issues themselves and will not pander to those who need this country only to claim the geopolitical space and promote the familiar destructive logic of “you are either with Russia or with Europe.”

    As you remember, during the Maidan events in Ukraine in 2004 and in 2014, it was the “either/or” logic that many officials of the EU member states promoted. Now that they are talking about mediation (we have heard proposals from Lithuania and Poland; somebody said that the OSCE must act as a mediator), I urge everybody who is promoting such ideas, to do it not though microphones but to address directly the Belarusians and primarily the Belarusian leadership. Everybody who says that this mediation is the only solution to the current situation should not forget how our Western colleagues “mediated” in 2014 during the Maidan events in Kiev. The distinguished representatives of the European Union acted as “mediators,” reached agreements – and we all remember what came out of that. I believe the Belarusian people can rely on their own wisdom to resolve this situation. I do not see any lack of readiness for a dialogue on behalf of the country’s leadership. I hope that those who, for whatever reason, are not satisfied with the election results will show the same readiness."


    https://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy...ent/id/4290963
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Excerpt from Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s interview with the Rossiya TV channel, Moscow, August 19, 2020

    Sergey Lavrov:

    Blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah attempts to take advantage of the internal difficulties that Belarus, the Belarusian people and leadership are facing right now in order to interfere in these events and processes from the outside.

    He's so predictable.



    Another Colour Revolution Attempt? Belarus - Election Time.-untitled-jpg

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    ^As usually, from our MoD

    Originally Posted by harrybarracuda (Another Colour Revolution Attempt? Belarus - Election Time.)
    11. After they die, bad Belarusians are sent back to live in Belarus under Lukashenka.

    It is a joke when the righteous EU govts propose to help poor people in Belarus, collecting money for that while their own population struggle with their daily life, their economy collapsing.

    E. g. the Pollacks, they are so keen to help their long-time foe? Where they get the money when they have to pay now for the new weaponry bought for brotherly prices? And to build new military bases for the Big Brother?

    After all, Belarus has one of the highest standard of the post Soviet republics, does not have the cheap assembly lines for big Western brands like the other have had.
    They still keep their large factories with fairly good production, not many are privatised. Unlike the others who have embraced the kind Western help running the factories down.

    Just to see the demonstrated people how they look, how they are dressed up, that's quite different than seeing from Seattle, Portland, MN riots.

    And the free health care, free schooling? Tell it to people in tent streets in LA...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Belarus has one of the highest standard of the post Soviet republics
    . . . and a fuckwit like you laps it up as though it's some kind of extraordinary feat

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    . . . and a fuckwit like you laps it up as though it's some kind of extraordinary feat
    No need to insult fuckwits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    No need to insult fuckwits.
    True . . . I've gone a bit far - apologies to fuckwits

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Originally Posted by Klondyke
    Belarus has one of the highest standard of the post Soviet republics

    . . . and a fuckwit like you laps it up as though it's some kind of extraordinary feat
    Tell it to the students in (please no names here) who are to pay back almost $2tn in debt... is it really possible to pay it back?
    (Why they should, their state will also not pay back)

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    Lukashenko offered himself being an intermediary between Macron and the "yellow vests


    President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko proposed to intermediate between French leader Emmanuel Macron and the movement of "yellow vests", Interfax reports .

    In this way, Lukashenko responded to Macron's proposal to mediate in the dialogue between the Belarusian authorities and civil society. “Macron said that he wants to mediate in the negotiations in Belarus. Let me first come and be an intermediary between the "yellow vests" and Macron, ”Lukashenko said.

    Лукашенко предложил сделать его посредником между Макроном и <<желтыми жилетами>>: Белоруссия: Бывший СССР: Lenta.ru

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Tell it to the students in (please no names here)
    No, seriously. Name names and tell us how this ties into the topic . . . go on, fuckwit, show us the inevitable link of whataboutism between anything and the US being bad/worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Lukashenko offered himself being an intermediary between Macron and the "yellow vests
    That's like you offering to be the intermediary between a sheep and a cow in a staring contest . . . and still not managing to equal their brainpower

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko proposed to intermediate between French leader Emmanuel Macron and the movement of "yellow vests",
    Under the internationally recognised Commonwealth of Independent State watchful and tolerant eye, no doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    still not managing to equal their brainpower
    It appears many countries are affected by similar appointed leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    It appears many countries are affected by similar appointed leaders.
    You've found the link between Donald Trump and Klondyke.

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