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    ^ ...which also use nautical miles and feet for measuring ranges and altitude. The nautical mile is within the metric system but that depends on the earth model used. Don't see yards used any longer just nmi and feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Since when have US given distances in metres?
    Umm since around 1918.

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    Okay, so check the HUD 19s in and for the rest of the video. All ranges are nmi and feet. Speeds, KIAS and TAS are in knots and altitude is in feet.

    Don't know of any NATO aircraft that do it differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Wondering what can be seen and "visually inspected" over a "safe distance of about 1,000 metres"?
    https://www.icao.int/Meetings/anconf...ons%5B1%5D.pdf

    Reference above link International Rules of the Air Attachment A Annex 2:



    The following method is recommended for the manoeuvring of intercepting aircraft for the purpose of visually identifying a civil aircraft:


    Phase I:

    The intercepting aircraft should approach the intercepted air-craft from astern. The element l
    eader, or the single intercepting aircraft, should normally take up a position on the left (port) side, slightly above and ahead of the intercepted aircraft,within the field of view of the pilot of the intercepted aircraft,and initially not closer to the aircraft than 300 m. Any other participating aircraft should stay well clear of the intercepted aircraft, preferably above and behind. After speed and position have been established, the aircraft should, if necessary, proceed with Phase II of the procedure.

    Phase II
    The element leader, or the single intercepting aircraft, should
    begin closing in gently on the intercepted aircraft, at the same level, until no closer than absolutely necessary to obtain theinformation needed. The element leader, or the single inter-cepting aircraft, should use caution to avoid startling the flightcrew or the passengers of the intercepted aircraft, keeping constantly in mind the fact that manoeuvres considered normal to an intercepting aircraft may be considered hazardous to passengers and crews of civil aircraft. Any other participating aircraft should continue to stay well clear of the intercepted aircraft. Upon completion of identification, the intercepting aircraft should withdraw from the vicinity of the intercepted aircraft as outlined in Phase III.

    Phase III
    The element leader, or the single intercepting aircraft, should
    break gently away from the intercepted aircraft in a shallow dive. Any other participating aircraft should stay well clear of the intercepted aircraft and rejoin their leader.


    So Initially not closer than 300m (1000 feet) and then to close further without scaring the shit out of the airline pilot.


    I'd say BS from the US...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I'd say BS from the US...
    WTF are you on about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    So Initially not closer than 300m (1000 feet) and then to close further without scaring the shit out of the airline pilot.
    Based on what fact?

    BTW.. Why would a commercial Iranian plane fly over a war zone that is known to be patrolled by American and Israeli warplanes?

    Duh

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    The plane was flying a standard route and had ADS-B on and working the whole time. The US are saying it deviated from the flight plan and that was the reason for the intercept. whether this is true or not is part of an on-going investigation.

    I was quoting directly from the ICAO Rules (if you'd bothered to read the post).

    It is quite possible the intercepting Fighter triggered a TCAS alert, which the Iranian pilots responded to. If this is so then it will be recorded and used as part of the investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Based on what fact?
    J.B.: "We choose truth over facts"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    The plane was flying a standard route...
    Who will wonder that the Iranian pilot was scared knowing what had happened in 1988 to other Iranian passenger aircraft on its standard route?

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    Iran moves mock aircraft carrier to sea amid US tensions



    DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — Iran has moved a mock aircraft carrier to the strategic Strait of Hormuz amid heightened tensions with the United States, satellite photographs released on Monday show, likely signalling the Islamic Republic soon plans to use it for live-fire drills.

    An image from Maxar Technologies taken Sunday shows an Iranian fast boat speed toward the carrier, sending waves up in its wake, after a tugboat pulled her out into the strait from the Iranian port city of Bandar Abbas.

    Iranian state media and officials have yet to acknowledge bringing the replica out to the Strait of Hormuz, through which 20% of the world’s oil passes. However, its appearance there suggests Iran’s paramilitary Revolutionary Guard is preparing an encore of a similar mock-sinking it conducted in 2015.

    The U.S. Navy’s Bahrain-based 5th Fleet, which patrols Mideast waterways, remains “confident in our naval forces’ ability to defend themselves against any maritime threat,” said spokeswoman Cmdr. Rebecca Rebarich when asked about the faux carrier’s movements.

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    “We cannot speak to what Iran hopes to gain by building this mockup, or what tactical value they would hope to gain by using such a mock-up in a training or exercise scenario,” Rebarich told The Associated Press. “We do not seek conflict, but remain ready to defend U.S. forces and interests from maritime threats in the region.”

    The replica resembles the Nimitz-class carriers that the U.S. Navy routinely sails into the Persian Gulf from the Strait of Hormuz, the narrow mouth of the waterway. The USS Nimitz, the namesake of the class, just entered Mideast waters late last week from the Indian Ocean, likely to replace the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower in the Arabian Sea.

    It remains unclear when or if the Nimitz will pass through the Strait of Hormuz or not during its time in the Mideast. The USS Abraham Lincoln, deployed last year as tensions initially spiked, spent months in the Arabian Sea before heading through the strait. The Eisenhower came through the strait early last week.

    The replica carries 16 mock-ups of fighter jets on its deck, according to the satellite photos taken by Maxar Technologies. The vessel appears to be some 200 meters (650 feet) long and 50 meters (160 feet) wide. A real Nimitz is over 300 meters (980 feet) long and 75 meters (245 feet) wide.

    The mock-up strongly resembles a similar one used in February 2015 during a military exercise called “Great Prophet 9.” During that drill, Iran swarmed the fake aircraft carrier with speedboats firing machine guns and rockets. Surface-to-sea missiles later targeted and destroyed the fake carrier.

    That drill, however, came as Iran and world powers remained locked in negotiations over Tehran’s nuclear program. Today, the deal born of those negotiations is in tatters. President Donald Trump unilaterally withdrew America from the accord in May 2018. Iran later responded by slowly abandoning nearly every tenant of the agreement, though it still allows U.N. inspectors access to its nuclear sites.

    Last summer saw a series of attacks and incidents further ramp up tensions between Iran and the U.S. They reached a crescendo with the Jan. 3 U.S. drone strike near Baghdad International Airport that killed Qassem Soleimani, head of the Guard’s expeditionary Quds, or Jerusalem, Force. Iran retaliated with a ballistic missile attack that injured dozens of American troops stationed in neighboring Iraq.

    Given the timing of Iran moving the replica to sea, with satellite photos showing it being tugged out of port on Saturday, a drill targeting it may be a direct response from Tehran to an incident last week. That event involved a U.S. F-15 fighter jet approaching a Mahan Air flight over Syria, which saw passengers on the Iranian jetliner injured.

    Asked about the fake aircraft carrier, Brian Hook, the U.S. special representative for Iran, told journalists on a conference call from Kuwait it was part of an “ongoing problem with the regime.”

    “We would like to see the Iranian regime spend more time on diplomacy and less time on military stunts,” Hook said. “Much of its foreign policy relies on intimidation and threats.”

    Iran moves mock aircraft carrier to sea amid US tensions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    “We would like to see the Iranian regime spend more time on diplomacy and less time on military stunts,” Hook said. “Much of its foreign policy relies on intimidation and threats.”
    I'm sorry, but which country is he talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...^I wonder why his seat belt wasn't fastened?...
    Correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mozzbie47 View Post
    Correct
    Really? You stay in your seat from beginning to end of a journey with your seatbelt fastened? That's what you get you of this story?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    But then you buy the US forces line every time, never mind the countless times it’s been proven to be bs.
    And grindr lines

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    ^...

    Passengers injured as US fighter jet comes close to Iranian plane-unnamed-4-jpg

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    You're busy this morning ao

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    .... the US has history of blasting Iranian civilian passenger planes out of the sky
    That's a bit harsh. Who among us hasn't shot down the occasional passenger jet ?
    The US hasn't shot one down for over thirty years so it's not exhibiting a pattern of behaviour.

    Maybe that woosy Iranian pilot had learnt that the captain of the American ship that shot down the Iranian jet all those years ago hadn't been found criminally responsible in any way but had been instead decorated and promoted (even the radar operators and missile firers had got gold stars and elephant stamps on their homework).
    So maybe he was just that teensy bit anxious when the stars and bars got close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Who will wonder that the Iranian pilot was scared knowing what had happened in 1988 to other Iranian passenger aircraft on its standard route?
    You got it wrong as always Klondyke! The poor islamic pilot already shit himself in the pants when he left Iran.
    The real challenge lies with the returning flight to Tehran. Didn't a Ukrainian Airline just get shot down by the Islamic Military.
    Then again, who gives a flying fu€k about a plane full of Islamic terrorist.

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    ^To your flow of thoughts is hardly anything to add. Perhaps only that similar chauvinist rhetoric the world had heard more than 80 years ago from your Landsmänner...

    And how it had resulted for the world and for your Land either?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    To your flow of thoughts is hardly anything to add.
    Right, so don't. Trying to throw in a German word, incorrect both in grammar and fact, to gain credibility just makes you look even more the fool . . . which is a difficult thing to achieve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    ^To your flow of thoughts is hardly anything to add. Perhaps only that similar chauvinist rhetoric the world had heard more than 80 years ago from your Landsmänner...

    And how it had resulted for the world and for your Land either?
    Your sympathy for a plane full of male chauvinists swines doesn't surprise me
    Want to go back to the other extreme thread....the communist swines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    just makes you look even more the fool . . . which is a difficult thing to achieve
    I would have gone with "nigh on impossible".

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    By the way, for all you "I Love Obama Fans" out there:

    It was his administration that put Mahan Airline on the "Black List"

    US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has called Mahan Air a “terrorist airline.” But well before that – on December 12, 2011 – the US Department of Treasury announced the designation of Mahan Air as a material and transportation supporter of terrorism, “for providing financial, material and technological support to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force (IRGC-QF).

    There are many other countries that won't allow the Islamic Terrorist Airline to land. So where do you guys get this sympathy for a bunch of Islamic Terrorist that treat females like shit? I mean let's face it, Iran is a one big detention camp for women just like the one in China for Uighurs....even worse.

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    ^ All the more reason for obeying international flight rules when making an intercept. Anything else can be considered harassment.

    Looking at the video posted earlier the F-15 was on the starboard side which is against the rules. It should be on the port side since the captain will then be able to see it clearly rather than the FO.

    There were reports of two F-15s and that one of the pilots reporting a proximity alarm but said it was normal and of no concern. Unfortunately, it is not for him to judge but for the Captain of the airliner, who would be obliged to respond if he had the same (TCAS) warning.

    If it was a TCAS alarm then the initial intercept may well have come from the forward hemisphere, which is aggressive harassment.

    Gung-ho yanks at it again in my book....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Gung-ho yanks
    Pretending to be Tom Cruise got out of Control


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    Well, they are the occupying force in a foreign - to them - land

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