China Houston Consulate Closed

**harrybarracuda** · 23-07-2020, 12:23 PM

I'm pretty sure the chinkies have eyes on all those HK consulates.

They won't want them reporting back when they shovel people into black vans for a trip back to the motherland and a bit of "retraining" or "disappearing".

**Klondyke** · 23-07-2020, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by panama hat

There's also a difference in knowing how to communicate in English and purposely - or not - not understanding it.

Read again, slowly this time. You'll be shrewd enough to know the difference

As usually:

"The best technique is to place himself as intellectually and morally superior to his opponent, or, it must be shown that the defendant is of a limited IQ, a nerd, idiot, etc, you name it... and an unworthy subject to talk to."

**OhOh** · 23-07-2020, 04:06 PM

US cannot get away from China’s countermeasures against consulate closure

By Hu Xijin Source: Global Times Published: 2020/7/23 12:16

Will China retaliate against the US for abruptly ordering China to close its consulate in Houston? How will China strike back to such action? Reuters reported that China is considering shutting down the US consulate in Wuhan. It is very likely that the news agency is wrong this time.

Based on what I know, the US side has already made preparations to withdraw from its Wuhan consulate. It seems Washington hopes Beijing will ask it to shut down its consulate in Wuhan very much because in that case the US will suffer only a small loss.

I have reason to challenge that the Reuters report is deliberately intent on misleading China to do so.

I believe if China decides to close a US consulate in China as a tit-for-tat retaliation, it won't choose the Wuhan. Such a choice will be too much to the US advantage. The US abrupt decision to order China to close its consulate in Houston within 72 hours is extremely rude. It has made China's evacuation very troublesome. By contrast, the US side has been ready to leave Wuhan. It will feel less painful than what the Chinese diplomats have felt.

Therefore, if the Chinese side wants to retaliate, it's very likely it will jump out of the battlefield preset by the US. It will choose a consulate that will surprise the US and hurt it more. In other words, the option should cause as much trouble to the US as the US decision has caused to China.

Frankly speaking, although closures of consulates or expelling diplomats could garner a lot of attention, it will not have a profound influence. With no intention to jeopardize the overall situation of China-US relations, Beijing doesn't want to engage in a radical "diplomatic war" with Washington. But if Washington continues to provoke, it should be reminded that Beijing has as many as, or even more, cards to play than Washington does. China will not be afraid of any threat brought about by US moves to escalate conflict.

China has five consulates in the US, including the one in Houston. The US has six in China including the one in Hong Kong. There are at least one thousand and several hundred more staff in the US consulate in Hong Kong. Why does it have so many people there? It's too obvious that the consulate is an intelligence center. China actually has many countermeasures. For instance, China could target the US Consulate General Hong Kong and Macau. Even if China doesn't close it, it could instead cut its staff to one or two hundreds. This will make Washington suffer much pain.

Based on Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin's remarks on Wednesday, it's certain that China will retaliate. This will make all US consulates in China upset. Let them be nervous. They probably are all making emergency plans, packing up documents and preparing to burn them. China will finally target one of them. Before China announces its final decision, all US consulates in China will be upset and nervous.

It is the Chinese side that initially disclosed the news of the forced closure of the Chinese Houston consulate. This broke with past practices, as China normally does not act first to publicize "negative news." This is beyond Washington's expectation. After informing the Chinese side of its decision, the US side may expect China to make some diplomatic efforts while preparing for evacuation. It may hope to choose the best timing to announce the decision of closure.

Unexpectedly, China this time displayed to the world directly the ugly face of the US. The US claims the closing of China's consulate in Houston was done in order to protect Americans' intellectual property and private information. The statement is more like a hasty draft. It's nonsense and unconvincing. I think China's reactions have put the US side at a disadvantage - and have embarrassed it. No matter what China does next, China has gained the moral ground.

To be honest, I don't want to see the escalation of a China-US confrontation. But what's going on between the two countries is not as easy as some people might have thought. Major power competition is a very professional field. I am willing to believe in the wisdom of Chinese diplomatic teams and China's top decision-makers. At this special time when the US is acting crazily, no matter what countermeasures the Chinese government will take, I believe the Chinese people will firmly stand with their government. We will support any of its bold decisions that are aimed to safeguard the interests of the Chinese people.

US cannot get away from China’s countermeasures against consulate closure - Global Times

**panama hat** · 23-07-2020, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

US cannot get away from China’s countermeasures against consulate closure

What a headline . . . does it make you feel good to read an article with that title? Do you think the US thinks there won't be any reprisals?

Your motherland needs to stop being a whiny bitch

**Cujo** · 23-07-2020, 06:07 PM

More chinky spying shenanigans. Let's see hoho excuse this.

I actually can't believe they've been allowed to get away with so much for so long. I know the yanks have known for a long time how they operate. It's about time in my opinion.

A Chinese researcher charged with lying to the FBI about her military affiliation has taken refuge in China’s San Francisco consulate, according to court documents, further escalating tensions between Washington and Beijing.

The standoff in San Francisco comes at the same time the US ordered the closure of China’s Houston consulate, on grounds of involvement in theft of “American intellectual property and private information”.

China called the closure “unprecedented” and an “outrageous” escalation, and threatened retaliation, with state media putting out a poll asking which US consulates should be closed.

Donald Trump said in response to a question at a Wednesday night briefing that the closure of more consulates was “always possible”.

The researcher, Juan Tang, is named in a prosecutorial memo filed on Monday at the federal district court in San Francisco calling for the continued detention of another Chinese researcher at Stanford who is also charged with lying about links to China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) on her visa application.

Tang is accused of claiming never to have served in the PLA on her visa application, when an open-source investigation allegedly unearthed a picture of her in the uniform of the PLA’s civilian cadre and further evidence she had been a researcher for the Air Force Military Medical University. In an interview with the FBI on 20 June, according to the document, she claimed not to recognise the insignia on the uniform she is wearing in the photo.

“That same day, FBI executed a search warrant of Tang’s residence, and a search of her electronic media found further evidence of Tang’s PLA affiliation,” the memo, first reported by the Axios news site, said. “The FBI assesses that at some point following the search and interview of Tang on June 29, 2020, Tang went to the Chinese consulate in San Francisco, where the FBI assesses she has remained.”

In the memo two other Chinese nationals with PLA links are alleged to have come to California as researchers on false pretences, with the aim of intellectual property theft from US universities. It said Tang’s flight to the San Francisco consulate and the other cases – where the accused allegedly deleted files on hard disks and smartphones – showed that Beijing was “intent on protecting its officials from prosecution in the United States”.

In Houston, fire services were called after smoke was seen rising from the compound. US officials said staff, who were given 72 hours to leave the country, were burning documents in its grounds.

A Republican senator claimed that the consulate, which covered several southern states, was an “espionage hub”.

It remains unclear what triggered the Houston closure. During a visit to Denmark on Wednesday, the secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, suggested the move reflected a US decision to be less tolerant of Chinese behaviour.

“President Trump has said ‘enough’. We’re not going to allow this to continue to happen,” Pompeo said. “We are setting out clear expectations for how the Chinese Communist party is going to behave.”

On Wednesday, Chinese state media suggested the possibility of closing US consulates, posting a poll on Twitter asking users to choose between missions in Hong Kong, Chengdu, Guangzhou and others.

The Chinese foreign ministry spokesman, Wang Wenbin, criticised the Houston closure on Wednesday, saying: “China strongly condemns such an outrageous and unjustified move, which will sabotage China-US relations. “We urge the US to immediately withdraw its erroneous decision, otherwise China will make legitimate and necessary reactions.”

Chinese researcher wanted by FBI flees to San Francisco consulate as US-China row deepens | World news | The Guardian

**harrybarracuda** · 23-07-2020, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

US cannot get away from China’s countermeasures against consulate closure

By Hu Xijin Source: Global Times Published: 2020/7/23 12:16

Will China retaliate against the US for abruptly ordering China to close its consulate in Houston? How will China strike back to such action? Reuters reported that China is considering shutting down the US consulate in Wuhan.

Beleaguered US consular staff are jumping up and down with glee in anticipation.

I bet they can't fucking wait .

**Cujo** · 23-07-2020, 06:29 PM

I particularly love this

On Wednesday, Chinese state media suggested the possibility of closing US consulates, posting a poll on Twitter asking users to choose between missions in Hong Kong, Chengdu, Guangzhou and others.

TWITTER'S BANNED IN CHINKYSTAN

So who are the asking? They're not, they're just trying to give the impression to idiots like hoho that there's frredom of expression in China.

**panama hat** · 24-07-2020, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by Cujo

TWITTER'S BANNED IN CHINKYSTAN
So who are the asking? They're not, they're just trying to give the impression to idiots like hoho that there's frredom of expression in China.

They really are primitive cretins . . . and OhOh is one of them. It al makes sense.

**jabir** · 24-07-2020, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

US cannot get away from China’s countermeasures against consulate closure

By Hu Xijin Source: Global Times Published: 2020/7/23 12:16

Will China retaliate against the US for abruptly ordering China to close its consulate in Houston? How will China strike back to such action? Reuters reported that China is considering shutting down the US consulate in Wuhan. It is very likely that the news agency is wrong this time.

Based on what I know, the US side has already made preparations to withdraw from its Wuhan consulate. It seems Washington hopes Beijing will ask it to shut down its consulate in Wuhan very much because in that case the US will suffer only a small loss.

I have reason to challenge that the Reuters report is deliberately intent on misleading China to do so.

I believe if China decides to close a US consulate in China as a tit-for-tat retaliation, it won't choose the Wuhan. Such a choice will be too much to the US advantage. The US abrupt decision to order China to close its consulate in Houston within 72 hours is extremely rude. It has made China's evacuation very troublesome. By contrast, the US side has been ready to leave Wuhan. It will feel less painful than what the Chinese diplomats have felt.

Therefore, if the Chinese side wants to retaliate, it's very likely it will jump out of the battlefield preset by the US. It will choose a consulate that will surprise the US and hurt it more. In other words, the option should cause as much trouble to the US as the US decision has caused to China.

Frankly speaking, although closures of consulates or expelling diplomats could garner a lot of attention, it will not have a profound influence. With no intention to jeopardize the overall situation of China-US relations, Beijing doesn't want to engage in a radical "diplomatic war" with Washington. But if Washington continues to provoke, it should be reminded that Beijing has as many as, or even more, cards to play than Washington does. China will not be afraid of any threat brought about by US moves to escalate conflict.

China has five consulates in the US, including the one in Houston. The US has six in China including the one in Hong Kong. There are at least one thousand and several hundred more staff in the US consulate in Hong Kong. Why does it have so many people there? It's too obvious that the consulate is an intelligence center. China actually has many countermeasures. For instance, China could target the US Consulate General Hong Kong and Macau. Even if China doesn't close it, it could instead cut its staff to one or two hundreds. This will make Washington suffer much pain.

Based on Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin's remarks on Wednesday, it's certain that China will retaliate. This will make all US consulates in China upset. Let them be nervous. They probably are all making emergency plans, packing up documents and preparing to burn them. China will finally target one of them. Before China announces its final decision, all US consulates in China will be upset and nervous.

It is the Chinese side that initially disclosed the news of the forced closure of the Chinese Houston consulate. This broke with past practices, as China normally does not act first to publicize "negative news." This is beyond Washington's expectation. After informing the Chinese side of its decision, the US side may expect China to make some diplomatic efforts while preparing for evacuation. It may hope to choose the best timing to announce the decision of closure.

Unexpectedly, China this time displayed to the world directly the ugly face of the US. The US claims the closing of China's consulate in Houston was done in order to protect Americans' intellectual property and private information. The statement is more like a hasty draft. It's nonsense and unconvincing. I think China's reactions have put the US side at a disadvantage - and have embarrassed it. No matter what China does next, China has gained the moral ground.

To be honest, I don't want to see the escalation of a China-US confrontation. But what's going on between the two countries is not as easy as some people might have thought. Major power competition is a very professional field. I am willing to believe in the wisdom of Chinese diplomatic teams and China's top decision-makers. At this special time when the US is acting crazily, no matter what countermeasures the Chinese government will take, I believe the Chinese people will firmly stand with their government. We will support any of its bold decisions that are aimed to safeguard the interests of the Chinese people.

US cannot get away from China’s countermeasures against consulate closure - Global Times

Lots of talk about pain in this article, and China has inflicted unprecedented pain upon the US and the rest of the civilised world. But worst thing the US could do is kick off a tit for tat pain war which China would win by a clear margin, since they play with no constraining rules.

I for one wouldn't be surprised if their research labs are already working on a new wonder virus that in comparison makes the covid tragedy seem like a picnic, naturally for use only in extreme cases of defence and national security.

Never was, never will be our friend.

**panama hat** · 24-07-2020, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by jabir

Never was, never will be our friend.

Nope. Never

**OhOh** · 24-07-2020, 12:30 PM

It was the Russians.

China Houston Consulate Closed-bond-watermarked-carousel-1-715x424-jpg

**panama hat** · 24-07-2020, 01:46 PM

Except it wasn't, it was China.

**lom** · 24-07-2020, 02:09 PM

So the chinks sent the seppos packing from their Chengdu consulate

**panama hat** · 24-07-2020, 02:27 PM

Yup, tit for tat. The US got rid of a secure location for spying activities . . . and China got rid of a consulate.

Basically that was a big middle finger from the US

**misskit** · 24-07-2020, 07:16 PM

China orders U.S. to close consulate in Chengdu amid rising diplomatic tensions

The move — coming as Secretary Pompeo declares U.S. policy on China a failure — follows the U.S. ordering the closure of the Chinese consulate in Houston

China orders U.S. to close consulate in Chengdu amid rising diplomatic tensions

**Saint Willy** · 24-07-2020, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by panama hat

You were quite stupid with your holocaust photo and comparison and now you've take it it a new level. Simply listing consulates that operate in HK doesn't equate to spying, cretin. Your usual obfuscation and deflection and wahtaboutism is as ridiculous as anything you post in defense of your homeland.

Yep.

Staggerly cretinous.

**sabang** · 24-07-2020, 07:42 PM

Staggeringly predictable outcome.

**helge** · 25-07-2020, 02:07 AM

If this escalates

Wonder who is going to produce the Xmas presents for the US kids this year ?

Too bad that children can't vote

**sabang** · 25-07-2020, 05:15 AM

Yup, can't use any more of that Xinjiang slave labour.

**panama hat** · 25-07-2020, 05:19 AM

So, you think closing down a consulate equates to billions of dollars in trade stopping? I thought you were a banker and knew a bit about the labor market vis-a-vis exports and demand.

**jabir** · 25-07-2020, 07:33 AM

If you piss off the US and happen to be a pipsqueak like Noriega, they'll send in the troops to pick you up and hang you out to dry; if you're a bit bigger and become an inconvenience, like Gadaffi, Hussein, Mubarak and others, they will destabilise your country toward regime change for something more suitable in real time with little regard and no plan for the consequences; if you piss them off while yuge like China or can rapidly up the ante, they'll jump up and down and make a lot of superficial noises but being able to give better than you get keeps you safe from serious repercussions. Fatboy and the ayatollahs are chuckling themselves to zzz.

This consulate circus is not a spur of the moment thing, they didn't just discover the chinks were up to no good, they knew for months or maybe even years, and filed it under political expedience. Second term is Trump's top priority, he wants to be seen as big and strong, has a Chinese virus to deal with among other domestic and international woes, and doesn't need more on his plate right now, so next week or month he will ease off and resume sucking cock.

**Klondyke** · 25-07-2020, 10:37 AM

50 Years Ago:
“Houston, We’ve Had a Problem”
50 Years Ago: “Houston, We’ve Had a Problem” | NASA

Houston, We Have a Problem (2016)
Houston, We Have a Problem (2016) - IMDb

**OhOh** · 25-07-2020, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by panama hat

China got rid of a consulate.

Situated where and of what value?

**panama hat** · 25-07-2020, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Situated where and of what value?

Again . . . are you stupid? Too stupid to follow a simple thread? The US got rid of a consulate in Houston and China retaliated by getting rid of one in . . . <insert your vacuous answer here>

**OhOh** · 25-07-2020, 12:35 PM

The location and the area it served in of no importance to you?

Check.

Maybe this snippet may remove the scales.

‘Intelligence Loss’: Chengdu Consulate Closure Will Frustrate US’ Tibet, Xinjiang Espionage - Expert

“But this is a much stronger message, they are going to bide their time before they do that. If they shut down Shanghai or Guangzhou consulates, that would hurt the US economically, but again they are holding that card in reserve. The early discussions which said they would shut down the Wuhan consulate, but that consulate is already more or less shut down, so that would be purely symbolic, and they chose not to do that.”

“The Shenyang consulate would intercept and break US intelligence and manipulation on Russia and North Korea, and they may do that at a later point. The Chengdu consulate really relates to Xinjiang and Tibet, and also we note that there’s been a tremendous escalation in the amount of propaganda and lies that are manipulated around Xinjiang. So this is probably why they did this.”

“From the US standpoint, this is an intelligence loss,” Noh said, noting Beijing refused to authorize the opening of another US consulate in Tibet. “In lieu of that, this was the key consulate that they were using” to carry out intelligence operations in Tibet and Xinjiang, he said.

“Let’s be clear here: embassies, consulates, they do do their share of intelligence gathering through a variety of means. The Chinese consulate in Houston was mostly involved in delivering visas; the US consulate in Chengdu was serving multiple functions and purposes.”

‘Intelligence Loss’: Chengdu Consulate Closure Will Frustrate US’ Tibet, Xinjiang Espionage - Expert - Sputnik International

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