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    Buffalo protester Martin Gugino has a fractured skull and cannot walk

    Buffalo protester Martin Gugino has a fractured skull and cannot walk



    (CNN)Martin Gugino, the 75-year-old protester who was pushed by two Buffalo, New York, police officers earlier this month, has a fractured skull and is not able to walk, his lawyer said in a statement provided to CNN on Monday.

    "I am not at liberty to elaborate at this time other than to confirm that his skull was fractured," Gugino's attorney Kelly Zarcone said. "While he is not able to walk yet, we were able to have a short conversation before he became too tired. He is appreciative of all of the concern about him but he is still focused on the issues rather than himself."

    CNN has not been able to speak with Gugino directly, but in her press statement, Zarcone passed along a message from him: "I think it's very unnecessary to focus on me. There are plenty of other things to think about besides me."
    Gugino is focused on getting better and he remains in rehabilitation, Zarcone told CNN on Tuesday.

    "Barring something unusual and unforeseen, I don't expect much change at all this week," she said.

    Gugino was injured when two police officers shoved him backwards during a protest against racism and police brutality on June 4. Video of the incident shows that he fell to the sidewalk and his head began bleeding as other officers walked by him.

    Officers Aaron Torgalski, 39, and Robert McCabe, 32, each pleaded not guilty to second-degree assault and have been released on their own recognizance without bail.

    Based on the initial video, police issued a statement that said Gugino tripped and fell, Buffalo Police spokesman Mike DeGeorge told CNN. Police later amended that statement and suspended the officers without pay and opened an investigation.

    After video of the incident spread widely -- Gov. Andrew Cuomo said it was "wholly unjustified and utterly disgraceful" -- Gugino became the focus of a conspiracy theory pushed by One America News Network and President Donald Trump that suggested the 75-year-old was an "ANTIFA provocateur" and that his serious injury "could be a set up."
    Martin Gugino: 75-year-old Buffalo protester has a fractured skull and cannot walk - CNN

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    This was a tragic incident. No one wants to seean old man get hurt.

    There is a lesson that I take away from it:

    When I see a group of heavily armed police officers walking towards me and telling me to get out of the way, I shall get out of the way. Swiftly. Job done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Gugino became the focus of a conspiracy theory pushed by One America News Network
    They probably did that by accident.

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    When I see a group of heavily armed police officers walking towards me and telling me to get out of the way, I shall get out of the way. Swiftly. Job done.
    indeed.

    although there will be many who think otherwise.

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    Heavily armed police officers, and people with tattoos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond View Post
    Heavily armed police officers, and people with more tattoos than hair.
    FTFY.

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    You can tell a lot about a society by the manner in which it treats it's elders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    You can tell a lot about a society by the manner in which it treats it's elders.
    Educational standards being one of them.

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    It seems Snubby disagreed somewhat strongly with my perspective.

    Although F Off doesn't make it clear whether the problem is my not wanting an old man to get hurt or you recognising your responsibilities to your society and to yourself to sidestep confrontation.

    As the Chinese say, bamboo is strong because it can bend with the wind. When the wind is gone, the bamboo is still there.

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    What is very loathful that after the fall (backwards is very serious) when seeing the blood under his skull, so many policemen walking untouched by...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    What is very loathful that after the fall (backwards is very serious) when seeing the blood under his skull, so many policemen walking untouched by...
    Yes. Completely wrong of the police at that point.

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    Well he's not going to be short of a bob or two if that is any consolation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    You can tell a lot about a society by the manner in which it treats it's elders.
    Isn't it supposed to be '... those at their mercy'.

    Prisoners, refugees, and the such.


    Thailand doesn't fare too well.

    Unless towing them out to sea and setting them (men, women and children) adrift with neither food nor water, and the treatment of those in Thai prisons are actually good etiquette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Educational standards being one of them
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond View Post
    Thailand doesn't fare too well.
    My experience of small town Thais is just the opposite. Few have high educational standards but family bonds, care or the elderly, helping neighbours at the drop of a hat, sharing what one family member has a surplus of, volunteering for community beneficial tasks, is very much community operation.

    Rather than relying on the authorities.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond View Post
    Isn't it supposed to be '... those at their mercy'.

    Prisoners, refugees, and the such.


    Thailand doesn't fare too well.

    Unless towing them out to sea and setting them (men, women and children) adrift with neither food nor water,
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond View Post
    Thailand doesn't fare too well.
    My experience of small town Thais is just the opposite. Few have high educational standards but family bonds, care or the elderly, helping neighbours at the drop of a hat, sharing what one family member has a surplus of, volunteering for community beneficial tasks, is very much community operation.
    How many Rohingya families did they take in, when the authorities were towing them out to sea and setting them adrift to die en masse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond View Post
    How many Rohingya families did they take in, when the authorities were towing them out to sea and setting them adrift to die en masse?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    My experience of small town Thais is just the opposite. Few have high educational standards but family bonds, care or the elderly, helping neighbours at the drop of a hat, sharing what one family member has a surplus of, volunteering for community beneficial tasks, is very much community operation.

    Rather than relying on the authorities.
    Well, some facts are being overlooked by Edmond.

    1/ Rohingya are majority Muslims
    2/ Thai are majority Bhuddist ... and it's apparent how that mix of religions interacts in the South of Thailand
    3/ The Rohinga (being towed out to sea) are not part of the Thai community that OhOh is referring to.


    This debate is fine to have, who owes what alliance to whom, but we have digressed away from for the essence of the OP which refers to events in the USA in which an elderly protester and the Security forces clashed and dramatically captured on camera.
    “Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond View Post
    Thailand doesn't fare too well.
    Unless towing them out to sea and setting them (men, women and children) adrift with neither food nor water, and the treatment of those in Thai prisons are actually good etiquette.
    I do not think that an experience while living in Jomtien can be much accurate... (Not that I would excuse some excesses of the Thai military...)

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    Oh boy, Roger Irrelevent and Ollie Offthepoint are really ravaging this one.

    They can't even stay on the topic of the tangent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    1/ Rohingya are majority Muslims
    Who cares, that isn't relevant in the slightest.

    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    3/ The Rohinga (being towed out to sea) are not part of the Thai community that OhOh is referring to.
    Again, irrelevant .

    At the end of the day it's all about man's inhumanity to man . . . Thais are no exception whether they are in Bangkom or Jomtien or elesewhere. Cambos, Burmese . . . are all treated like shit by Thais, privately and by the authorities, just as another example

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    It seems Snubby disagreed somewhat strongly with my perspective.

    Although F Off doesn't make it clear whether the problem is my not wanting an old man to get hurt or you recognising your responsibilities to your society and to yourself to sidestep confrontation.

    As the Chinese say, bamboo is strong because it can bend with the wind. When the wind is gone, the bamboo is still there.

    I wouldn't bother.
    There are too many here that might not comprehend the slight abstract metaphor, especially those for whom it was intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Educational standards being one of them.

    Missing the picture, of course.
    Expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    This debate is fine to have, who owes what alliance to whom, but we have digressed away from for the essence of the OP which refers to events in the USA
    Oh Christ, a Thai Visa mod has entered the room.

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    Back on theme - there is a fair debate here. The duty is supposed to be "serve and protect", but that comes over as beat, maim and kill anyone that gets in our way. The police are supposed to be there to protect that old man - not leave him bloodied and senseless. Shameful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    When I see a group of heavily armed police officers walking towards me and telling me to get out of the way, I shall get out of the way. Swiftly. Job done.
    With that line of flawed and stupid logic this man should have been ran over...

    Buffalo protester Martin Gugino has a fractured skull and cannot walk-tankmanjeffwidener-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Back on theme - there is a fair debate here. The duty is supposed to be "serve and protect", but that comes over as beat, maim and kill anyone that gets in our way. The police are supposed to be there to protect that old man - not leave him bloodied and senseless. Shameful.
    Indeed.
    Nothing exceptional about such common acts.

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