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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    With that line of flawed and stupid logic this man should have been ran over...

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    Good point, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    With that line of flawed and stupid logic this man should have been ran over...

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    Not surprisingly, I don't agree that it is flawed or stupud, although it is logical to avoid getting mown down. I don't challenge truck drivers when I am crossing the road, even when I believe I have priority, it is simple self-preservation.
    There is certainly a much bigger debate about the responsibilities of citizenship. Plato and Aristotle started a lot of the thinking on that and I guess Americans learn something about Locke's influence on the drafting of the US constitution.
    On the police side what shocks me is that after the victim had fallen they didn't immediately respond to assist him. You cannot even arrange a fun run in a public park without health and safety plans, so there is a very big question about how these officers were tasked and why they failed on a human level.

    Tank Man is a special case. I remember it well. Despite efforts then and later his fate remains unknown. No family came forward. No colleagues or friends. At least the US still has the capacity to be shocked and to demand answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    to demand answers
    Get real.

    The masses response is a selfie + tweet from their phone/laptop whilst sipping a .... in a coffee bar. Or clapping en mass outside their door/window at the "demanded" assembly time

    Ones concern has to be visible by ones peer group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    There is certainly a much bigger debate about the responsibilities of citizenship. Plato and Aristotle started a lot of the thinking on that and I guess Americans learn something about Locke's influence on the drafting of the US constitution.
    None of that has to do with an old man who appeared confused and disoriented getting slammed to the concrete and then marched over like he was not there. You can engage in all the intellectual masturbation that you want but the act in question that you attempted to justify is criminal and the thugs are rightly being prosecuted.

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    Tank Man is a special case.
    No he is not. He is the same as that old man that was steamrolled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    indeed.

    although there will be many who think otherwise.
    Yes, people who aren't cowards and are exercising their 1st ammendment rights.

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    As a matter of interest, does anyone know what happened to the criminal case against the police officers?

    The victim, Martin Gugino, was back in the press a couple of weeks ago. He seems to be mostly recovered.

    The media had a lot to say back in June. After the officers were charged their court appearance was scheduled for July, then August. After that I saw nothing in the press and when I searched I could find nothing.

    So what happened?

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    Sep 11, 2020

    Buffalo Catholic peace activist Martin Gugino back on his feet, determined to protest


    Three months after police shoved him to the ground during a protest over the death of George Floyd, Martin Gugino, the Catholic peace activist, has quietly moved back to his home in Buffalo, New York.

    The 75-year-old Gugino, who ended up in intensive care after he fractured his skull and suffered a brain injury, won't discuss his condition, other than to say that he tires easily.
    "The lawyers don't want me to talk about my health because they don't want the judge to say we've been trying this case in the court of public opinion," Gugino said in a phone call with RNS.

    In a video of the incident that went viral, Gugino is seen approaching Buffalo police in riot gear. They push him away. He falls back, cracking his head open on the sidewalk as the police officers walk past him.
    Played endlessly on social media as the nation was reeling from the death of Floyd while in police custody, the video seemed to confirm widespread suspicion of systemic police brutality — the very reason for the protest in front of Buffalo City Hall.
    The two officers who appeared to shove Gugino, Robert McCabe and Aaron Torgalski, were suspended and later charged with second-degree assault.

    They are scheduled to appear in court on Sept. 14.
    Outrage at their suspension led to the resignations of all 57 members of the Buffalo Police Department's Emergency Response Team. Some 3,200 people signed a petition demanding the officers be reinstated.
    President Trump responded to the June 4 incident in a tweet, suggesting Gugino was an "Antifa provocateur," — referring to the anti-fascist political movement. He suggested the episode was staged.
    In fact, Gugino, a retired computer programmer, is a Catholic peace activist who has devoted his retirement to nonviolent protest on behalf of a range of liberal causes.

    After spending nearly a month at Erie County Medical Center, Gugino moved in with his out-of-state nieces to continue his recovery.
    He told Religion News Service in an interview that they were "angels" in helping him through a difficult stretch.
    Now that he's back home, Gugino said he plans to continue to fight for a more peaceful, compassionate and just country.
    Gugino said he believes in protesting and pointed to the clause in the First Amendment that speaks of "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
    "The government is required to listen to the complaints," he said. "But they don't. They beat you up."
    Gugino said that's what he was trying to tell the officers on that fateful day outside the Buffalo City Hall when he was injured. The officers were apparently there to clear the streets before the city-imposed curfew took effect.
    "To my mind, a curfew can be used for many things," Gugino said. "But suppressing dissent is not one of them."

    Gugino's lawyer, Kelly Zarcone, declined to comment for this story. Asked about a civil suit against the Buffalo police, she did not reply.
    Gugino has lent his voice to multiple causes, among them Black Lives Matter. He participated in protests after the 2014 killing of Tamir Rice, a 12-year-old African American boy who was shot by a police officer, and has taken an interest in other police shootings of Black men.
    He is also passionate about closing Guantanamo Bay, the U.S. detention camp in Cuba where terrorism suspects could be detained without due process. Most years, he has joined members of Witness Against Torture, a group that travels to Washington, D.C., each January to fast and hold vigil outside the Department of Justice.
    The group posted an appreciation of Gugino to its website, "Martin Gugino – The 'Buffalo Protester' and Our Friend," describing him as "gentle, principled, and undaunted."

    Gugino has also been supportive of a group of Catholic peace activists who broke into a nuclear submarine base in Kings Bay, Georgia, in 2018 to protest nuclear weapons. The Kings Bay Plowshares 7 is expected to be sentenced next month after a court found them guilty of three felonies and a misdemeanor.
    His friend, Mark Colville, who runs Amistad Catholic Worker in New Haven, Connecticut, where Gugino has volunteered, said he was encouraged by Gugino's recovery.

    "I've been in the habit of not asking for medical updates unless he volunteers it," said Colville, who is also one of the members of the King's Bay Plowshares 7. "We talk a lot, and he has the same upbeat sense of humor I've always enjoyed from him."
    Gugino declined to say much about himself during the interview.
    Instead, he pressed his case for the right of citizens to protest the government. He mentioned the peaceful protesters who were teargassed to clear the way for Trump's photo-op outside St. John's Church as an egregious example of government overreach.
    He said he will fight on because the nation's highest ideals are worth realizing.
    "I live in a country with wonderful, wonderful goals. Let's do them. Let's make a real attempt to do what we are dreaming of. Let's bring the dream down to reality."



    Buffalo Catholic peace activist Martin Gugino back on his feet, determined to protest | National Catholic Reporter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    They are scheduled to appear in court on Sept. 14.
    last Monday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    last Monday.
    The hearing was rescheduled to November. After all the media frenzy at the incident I'd have thought it would be easy to find out what happened in court but my searches have found absolutely nothing.

    Can someone with a better Google than me find out if they went to trial?

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    ^ Nope, same . . . nothing

    Zero in the NY courts register either.

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    Retards.

    Took one search with "buffalo police court case gugino" and it's the 4th item.




    Updated: November 16, 2020 09:33 AM
    Created: November 16, 2020 06:47 AM

    BUFFALO, N.Y. (WHEC) A court hearing is planned for two Buffalo Police officers charged with assault.
    In June, two Buffalo police officers were charged with assault after a video showed them allegedly shoving a protester in recent demonstrations over the death of George Floyd in Minnesota. Both officers turned themselves in a day after the footage surfaced.

    In the video, 75-year-old Martin Gugino falls to the ground and appears to bleed from his ear.
    He was hospitalized with a fractured skull and brain injury for about a month.

    The next court hearing is scheduled for Jan. 6 at 9:30 a.m.
    Both officers have pleaded not guilty to their charges. If convicted, the officers face up to seven years in prison.
    2 Buffalo police officers who allegedly pushed a protester to appear in court | WHEC.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    someone with a better Google




    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Took one search with "buffalo police court case gugino" and it's the 4th item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Retards.

    Took one search with "buffalo police court case gugino" and it's the 4th item.






    2 Buffalo police officers who allegedly pushed a protester to appear in court | WHEC.com

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