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    Yes ant.


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    A monument to your preservation work for irrelevant statues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    You can thank yourself for breeding that kind of crap
    ph, in what way does david 'breed' that kind of crap?

    To me it looks like dillinger is excreting it all on his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    But the catastrophe which befell the Congolese, which cost almost double that is only coming to light, to many now.
    I must say though dave...I'd lay dollars to doughnuts that you only found that out a couple of hours ago.

    So rather than wondering why it's only coming to light now, which is pretty obvious really (white history), maybe it's more constructive to reflect on how much more enlightened so many of this planet's people can become thanks to straightforward, no-cost action like this.

    Just removing a statue can likely help educate millions.

    What an inspiring way to start a new month in these troubled times.

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    Oh and...

    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    The Holocaust cost 6 million lives and well studied/acknowledged at School.
    *cough*

    ...be careful about over-generalising.

    That white history again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    But the catastrophe which befell the Congolese, which cost almost double that is only coming to light, to many now.
    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    I must say though dave...I'd lay dollars to doughnuts that you only found that out a couple of hours ago.
    Absolutely ... before this, "King Leopold" was/is a character on the kid's cartoon Ben and Holly.


    The doughnuts are in the post

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    That white history again...
    Oh right History is now based on skin colour now,omg, the lunatics really have taken over the asylum now.

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    You really are utterly oblivious to anything beyond your basic needs, aren't you chico?

    You'd better get back to working on that bargirl English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico
    Oh right History is now based on skin colour now,omg, the lunatics really have taken over the asylum now.
    You could fit at least one more "now" in that I reckon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    What is probably more important IMHO is why was this not redressed, at least acknowledged before?
    Who says it hasn't been? Just because schools in England or Aus don't include this in their curriculum fairly well every halfway educated person knows about it

    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    The Holocaust cost 6 million lives and well studied/acknowledged at School.
    Aha . . . sure . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    But the catastrophe which befell the Congolese, which cost almost double that is only coming to light, to many now.
    Nothing 'befell' them David, they were massacred. Something 'befalling' someone is a passive act, being murdered is active and aggressive.

    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    I can understand your passion for the subject, but if the reporting of the News offends your sensitivities, I can't help that.
    Maybe just ignore the thread. I just report the news, I don't make it.
    My sensitivities, whether or not they are applicable here, are irrelevant . . . and you're not 'reporting' anything, you're copying and pasting articles which you had no hand in researching.

    You were quite straddling the fence for a while, but which direction you've fallen is perfectly clear. And as for Dill being his own man, of course and he just thrives on bullshit which swings his way.

    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    ph, in what way does david 'breed' that kind of crap?
    How about posting incendiary and misleading 'news' only to then admit that it isn't real news . . . <ha ha> and not to take it seriously. People like Dill feel empowered the more this type of opinion is voiced.

    I'm a bit disappointed i David, thought he was more level-headed

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    Oh well according to the squirrel history is now defined by colour,what a complete mental case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    People like Dill feel empowered the more this type of opinion is voiced
    Since you're analysing language here - how come you give him a free pass?

    I mean obviously he's mostly just embarrassing himself, but still...

    Speaking of which...chico...get back to the shallow end, eh?

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    Re PH's post above ...

    1/ The surprise and my lack of knowledge re the Congolese massacre.
    I had no idea about it.
    Does that make me poorly educated?

    I didn't do History @ School, I did a Maths/Physics major.

    As a mature age student I studied at University, completed a Business Degree at Honours level and topped my State in Quantitative Analysis ... received a Golden Key award for same.

    I believe in life long learning ... I learnt something through this.


    2/ "Befell" ... does not the use of the word "catastrophe" before "befell" indicate the appropriate level of seriousness.
    When you Google for the meaning of the word, the example used is that "a tragedy befell his daughter" ... so the use of the term "catastrophe which befell the Congolese" is entirely appropriate.


    3/ It's News PH ... which I am 'reporting'. Am I 'researching' it? ... nope.
    Does MissKit 'research' her news items? ... nope. She simply reports them.


    4/ My private opinions are just that ... private.
    I'm just reporting a news item.
    If the BBC/CNBC/ABC etc puts it up as news worthy then ... it's simply news worthy.

    Do I have an opinion of things ... sure, but I'd reserve that for Speakers Corner.
    You can make your own mind up which 'side of the fence I have fallen to'.


    I rarely defend my actions, but I have respect for you as a Member and I felt you deserved an appropriate response.

    PH, if you feel there is a bias in News Items I report, by all means post up items which you think balance the argument.
    “Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago”

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    It causes confusion when you c+p things without quotes. You did it the other day with somethng containing the word 'purported'.

    You posted it up as your comment, but 'purported' just isn't a 'dave word'.

    Sure enough...I google searched it and you'd copy pasted it.

    I'm not saying quotes and sources are always essential. Often it's obvious that something is a quote. However in the op here it is not obvious and you clearly confused hugh cow, for example.

    Admittedly that doesn't take much.

    You responded to hugh by saying that your op was 'News' and 'factual'. It was neither - it was an op ed piece. It says so on the link you later put up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    I didn't do History @ School, I did a Maths/Physics major.
    In primary and secondary school?

    PS: Just type 'at'. It's really not much more difficult. One more key.

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    ^^ Humm ... not really sure of the issue.

    It's the World news part of the forum.

    None of the words in the OP are mine.

    They are not my opinions, the news item was written in a conversational style.

    The removal of Hamilton's statue (NZ) is only the start, we should tear them all down-screenshot_2020-07-01-removal-hamiltons-statue

    I gave the accreditation for the story AND a second link if someone wanted to read a different take on the same story.

    Don't know what else I could have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Humm ... not really sure of the issue.
    And I can't imagine why on earth the issue wouldn't be clear.

    Oh well.

    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Don't know what else I could have done.
    You could have done it initially before the confusion was caused, and as I've posted it wasn't a 'one off'.

    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    the news item

    It is not a news item.


    It's an op-ed piece.


    An op-ed, short for "opposite the editorial page", is a written prose piece typically published by a newspaper or magazine which expresses the opinion of an author usually not affiliated with the publication's editorial board.[1]
    Op-ed - Wikipedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Nothing 'befell' them David, they were massacred.
    The pictures of people with chopped off arms, shocked me as a kid
    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    I had no idea about it.
    Does that make me poorly educated?
    Maybe you were sick that day, or could be that it wasn't an issue in Aus. ( you are aussie, right ?)

    At the time when S Africa was boycotted by most of the world, Aus and NZ, still couldn't see the problem.


    Do not ignore or forget Leopold

    Make his grave into a urinal

    Would please me to shower that evil fuck

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge
    At the time when S Africa was boycotted by most of the world, Aus and NZ, still couldn't see the problem.
    That's not true at all in NZ's case.

    There were massive protests over the Springboks being allowed to tour and players going the other way were banned / suspended subsequently

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    being allowed to tour
    This
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    That's not true at all in NZ's case.
    You want to argue 'not true at all' ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge
    You want to argue 'not true at all' ?
    Yeah I do. The actions of a private body like the NZRU don't reflect the govt. and clearly because it sparked massive protests and backlash not the majority of the people either.

    The problem was 'very much seen'.

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    For 56 days in July, August and September 1981, New Zealanders were divided against each other in the largest civil disturbance seen since the 1951 waterfront dispute. The cause of this was the visit of the South African rugby team – the Springboks.

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    Thanks for backing up my point Chico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    New Zealanders were divided against each other in the largest civil disturbance

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    The problem was 'very much seen'.
    It was seen
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    The actions of a private body like the NZRU don't reflect the govt
    Hmm

    I am sure the NZ government could have added a bit of pressure, if it wanted.

    Had a little readup :Stopping the 1973 tour - 1981 Springbok tour | NZHistory, New Zealand history online
    Postpone

    The 1981 Springbok rugby tour - 1981 Springbok tour | NZHistory, New Zealand history online

    Didn't the Tours have widespread public support ?

    Read, David

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