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    Georgia will CONSIDER charging white guys who gunned down an innocent black jogger.

    This just beggars belief. Seriously, WT everluvin' F.


    Prosecutors were reluctant to charge former police officer and son in shooting of 25-year-old Ahmaud Arbery

    A prosecutor in Georgia said on Tuesday he would ask a grand jury to decide if charges should be filed against a white former law enforcement officer and his son in the fatal shooting of an unarmed young black man as he ran through a small town.


    The shooting of 25-year-old Ahmaud Arbery outside Brunswick, Georgia, in February was captured on videotape and posted on social media on Tuesday, stirring outrage over the reluctance of prosecutors to file charges against Gregory McMichael and his son, Travis.


    The video footage, which was taken by an unidentified witness in another car, shows Arbery jogging down a narrow two-lane road and around a white pickup truck stopped in the right lane, its driver’s door open.


    As Arbery crosses back in front of the truck a gunshot is fired. Arbery is then seen struggling with a man holding a long gun as a second man stands in the bed of the truck brandishing a revolver. Two more shots are heard before Arbery stumbles and falls face-down onto the asphalt.


    The graphic footage has prompted an outcry and demands for justice; the activist Shaun King posted the video on Twitter, describing it as “one of the worst things I’ve seen in my entire life”.


    Tom Durden, the acting district attorney for a neighboring district, said in a letter posted on Facebook that he believed “the case should be presented to the grand jury of Glynn county for consideration of criminal charges against those involved in the death of Mr Arbery”.


    Durden, who was assigned to investigate the fatal shooting after prosecutors in Brunswick and a neighboring district recused themselves due to potential conflicts of interest, said he would present the case to the next available grand jury in Glynn county. That grand jury might not meet until mid-June or later because courts were under restrictions imposed by the coronavirus pandemic, he said.


    According to a police report obtained by the New York Times, Gregory McMichael, a former police officer and district attorney’s investigator, told investigators the incident began when he spotted Arbery from his front yard “hauling ass” down the street.


    McMichael told police that, because he suspected Arbery in a string of recent neighborhood break-ins, he summoned his son and the two men gave chase in the truck, Gregory McMichael carrying a .357 Magnum revolver and Travis armed with a shotgun.


    Gregory McMichael said Arbery began to “violently attack” his son and fought over the shotgun, prompting Travis to open fire. It is not clear from the police report or the videotape if Gregory McMichael also fired on Arbery.


    According to a letter obtained by the Times, the prosecutor in Brunswick argued there was not probable cause to arrest the McMichaels because they were legally carrying firearms, had a right to pursue a burglary suspect and use deadly force to protect themselves.


    In a statement to the New York Times, a lawyer for Arbery’s family said the video clearly showed a criminal act. “This is murder,” said S Lee Merritt. “The series of events captured in this video confirm what all the evidence indicated prior to its release.”


    Andrea Young, the executive director of the ACLU of Georgia, compared the killing to that of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teenager who was shot in 2012 by a neighborhood watch leader.


    “The vigilante behavior that we saw in Brunswick is unacceptable in a civilized society. We call on the officials in Brunswick to enforce the rule of law so that it can be safe for citizens to walk the streets,” said Young. “Ahmaud was killed three days before the anniversary of the 2012 killing of Trayvon Martin. Both incidents are a reminder that white supremacy has been a foundation for our country and leads repeatedly to the targeting and harming people of color, particularly African Americans.”
    Georgia to consider charges in killing of unarmed black jogger as video emerges | US news | The Guardian

    Though to be fair he does LOOK like a criminal.

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    Black and running, what were they to do!

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    The USA?

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    That’s here in the state of Georgia where I live. White privilege. Doesn’t matter if the man was a thief or jogger. If it had been two black man who shot Arbery, they would sit in jail right now.

    Another example is this https://www.businessinsider.com/mich...ol-2020-5?op=1. Can you imagine if these protesters in a state capitol building were black?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Black and running, what were they to do!
    Exactly, Saw a black guy in nikes running down my street carrying a brand new Sony laptop, I thought "that looks like mine", then I remembered mine wears Adidas.

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    Question for our seppo chums:

    Is the use of a grand jury mandatory in Georgia?

    And are members of the grand jury kept confidential?

    i.e. is this just procastination and the opportunity to put the case in front of white racists or a usual legal procedure in GA?

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    Don’t know if a grand jury is mandatory to charge one with murder but they are secret. Not procrastination; COVID has everything on hold. Grand juries aren’t selected by lawyers as regular juries are. They are just the next people coming up on a juror list.

    I can only imagine the shooters weren’t charged with murder is because one of them is an ex-policeman and his former coworkers don’t want to see him jailed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    not probable cause to arrest the McMichaels because they were legally carrying firearms, had a right to pursue a burglary suspect and use deadly force to protect themselves.
    There you have it - you may follow and kill someone suspected of a crime. Seems eminently logical to me. I mean, why have a police force to call in situations like this when you can just do it yourself

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    I can only imagine the shooters weren’t charged with murder is because one of them is an ex-policeman and his former coworkers don’t want to see him jailed.
    Now you're just being cynical

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    ...and now we know why black joggers avoid trailer parks...

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    Yet another example of institutional and societal racism for those who think it no longer exists and white privilege isn't actually a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Yet another example of institutional and societal racism for those who think it no longer exists and white privilege isn't actually a thing.


    What if the suspect was a white guy suspected of a series of burglaries in the area.

    What would you assume then?

    Armed citizens arrest is allowed over there.


    The video gets convenienyly cut off, where he gets all violent.

    He also has form and mental problems

    What do Arbery’s defenders say?
    Barnhill wrote, in his letter, that Arbery had mental health issues, though he does not elaborate on this point, and that he had prior convictions. Court records show that Arbery was convicted of shoplifting and of violating probation in 2018. Five years earlier, according to The Brunswick News, he was indicted on charges that he took a handgun to a high school basketball game.

    More on it here..

    What We Know About the Shooting Death of Ahmaud Arbery - The New York Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    What if the sispect was a white guy suspected of a series of burglaries in the area.

    What would you assume then?

    Armed citizens arrest is allowed over there. The video gets convenienyly cut off, where he gets all violent.

    He also has form and mental problems




    More on it here..

    What We Know About the Shooting Death of Ahmaud Arbery - The New York Times
    Jaysus Kerrrrist.

    Drag the man's history through the mud in a poor attempt to justifiy the murder.

    two year old shop lifting charge? FFS....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    The video gets convenienyly cut off, where he gets all violent.
    After he gets shot.

    Think about that.

    After!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger
    What if the suspect was a white guy suspected of a series of burglaries in the area.
    Then he probably wouldn't have been chased down and shot dead whilst out for a jog to begin with because someone thought he looked like someone suspected of break ins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    That’s here in the state of Georgia where I live. White privilege. Doesn’t matter if the man was a thief or jogger. If it had been two black man who shot Arbery, they would sit in jail right now.

    Another example is this https://www.businessinsider.com/mich...ol-2020-5?op=1. Can you imagine if these protesters in a state capitol building were black?
    Remember the Black Panthers with long guns in the California State Capitol in 1967. At least we had the foresight to pass a law against such foolishness.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    What if the suspect was a white guy suspected of a series of burglaries in the area.
    As Ant already said - he wouldn't have been chased down and shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Armed citizens arrest is allowed over there.
    You may have missed the point where they shot and killed him

    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    The video gets convenienyly cut off, where he gets all violent.
    Inconveniently for him he may be dead by then . . . I didn't watch the clip because I'm not a ghoul but it is clear that he'd been shot. What would you do if you were chased and shot by two black guys with guns? Stop and ry to discuss the merits if gun control?

    You've not been in the US, have you.

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    I must admit I'm a bit surprised, I never took Dilli for a racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    Drag the man's history through the mud
    On Teakdoor?

    What do you think happens at murder trials, you plonker?

    All this.... a black guy gets shot and its racially motivated and black lives matter bollix.

    He got shot because he was suspected of being involved in a string of robberies and got violent when approached by a cop and his son

    If he was white or ginger the same would have happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    I must admit I'm a bit surprised, I never took Dilli for a racist.
    Where have I appeared racist on this page?

    Go on point it out to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    What do you think happens at murder trials, you plonker?
    This wasn't a trial. He was not known to the two killers. They decided they'd forego a trial and kill him. Easy

    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    All this.... a black guy gets shot and its racially motivated and black lives matter bollix.
    Again, you've not been to/lived in the US, have you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    He got shot because he was suspected of being involved in a string of robberies and got violent when approached by a cop and his son
    No, he didn't. He was killed for running and 'got violent' after getting shot initially

    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    If he was white or ginger the same would have happened.
    Umm, no it wouldn't. . . plus, why do you feel he need to change the facts to suit your narrative:

    "The video footage, which was taken by an unidentified witness in another car, shows Arbery jogging down a narrow two-lane road and around a white pickup truck stopped in the right lane, its driver’s door open.


    As Arbery crosses back in front of the truck a gunshot is fired. Arbery is then seen struggling with a man holding a long gun as a second man stands in the bed of the truck brandishing a revolver. Two more shots are heard before Arbery stumbles and falls face-down onto the asphalt."
    This is very different from what you write.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Originally Posted by Dillinger
    Armed citizens arrest is allowed over there.
    You may have missed the point where they shot and killed him
    Thats part of their second amendment. He shouldnt have got violent with the son of a cop and tried to take his gun which gave them a legal right to use deadly force




    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    You've not been in the US, have you.
    I don't need to be American to understand that law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Where have I appeared racist on this page?
    The bit where you defended a white murderer and tried to cast doubt on the victim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    He shouldnt have got violent with the son of a cop and tried to take his gun
    He was not a cop. He was a former cop.

    What would you do if you have been randomly shot by some strangers? Stand there and wait for the 2nd bullet?

    FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Again, you've not been to/lived in the US, have you.
    Is it the Thai in you that doesnt understand information on other Countries is freely available without travelling?


    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    If he was white or ginger the same would have happened.
    Umm, no it wouldn't.
    So you know the father and son are a couple of racists then?
    Have you read something about their past or is that just your opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Thats part of their second amendment
    Killing someone is NOT in heir 2nd amendment. Where do you get that rubbish?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    He shouldnt have got violent with the son of a cop and tried to take his gun which gave them a legal right to use deadly force
    Again: He was shot and then tried to take the gun so he wouldn't get shot again. Also, EX-COP. Why do you persist in changing the facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    I don't need to be American to understand that law.
    Firstly, you clearly don't understand the 'law'. Secondly, it's a societal issue that you need to understand and having lived there helps . . . or you can take it from someone who lives there:
    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Thatís here in the state of Georgia where I live. White privilege. Doesnít matter if the man was a thief or jogger. If it had been two black man who shot Arbery, they would sit in jail right now.

    Another example is this Business Insider. Can you imagine if these protesters in a state capitol building were black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Is it the Thai in you that doesnt understand information on other Countries is freely available without travelling?
    I have no Thai in me, born in Thailand three months after arriving there for my father's posting and - again - surely you know that a law and people's actions are not one and the same

    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    So you know the father and son are a couple of racists then?
    Nope, just that whites don't get shot and murdered like that in places like Georgia. This is where you need to 'know' a society, not just what the laws state

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