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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    Nice victim blaming.

    But if he had stood still, and they then shot him, I guess the argument would only a guilty bloke would stand still...
    Not blaming the victim at all, unless you were there and saw what happened because I wasn't. And even placing myself in what I perceive to be your head I cannot contort enough to see the idiocy in thinking I blamed the victim for standing still, or running forward, or trying to escape.

    Whatever his response to the confrontation they shot him and should answer for it, leaving us in the same situation with a jury deciding on guilt; but do go on.

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    Yeah, you did.

    And the red you sent does not change or mitigate that.

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    Oh dear, poor thing...

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    This is a professor, who has the tools to articulate how this encounter affected him. He also has the age and wisdom that allowed for him to maintain his composure and not lose his life. Now, imagine a YOUNG Black person, who is not equipped with either:

    Georgia will CONSIDER charging white guys who gunned down an innocent black jogger.-48393778_2011444955569535_6979337098838933504_o-jpg

    Steve Locke wrote:

    "This is what I wore to work today.
    On my way to get a burrito before work, I was detained by the police.
    I noticed the police car in the public lot behind Centre Street. As I was walking away from my car, the cruiser followed me. I walked down Centre Street and was about to cross over to the burrito place and the officer got out of the car.
    “Hey my man,” he said.

    He unsnapped the holster of his gun.
    I took my hands out of my pockets.
    “Yes?” I said.
    “Where you coming from?”
    “Home.”
    Where’s home?”
    “Dedham.”
    How’d you get here?”
    “I drove.”

    He was next to me now. Two other police cars pulled up. I was standing in from of the bank across the street from the burrito place. I was going to get lunch before I taught my 1:30 class. There were cops all around me.
    I said nothing. I looked at the officer who addressed me. He was white, stocky, bearded.
    “You weren’t over there, were you?” He pointed down Centre Street toward Hyde Square.
    “No. I came from Dedham.”
    “What’s your address?”
    I told him.

    “We had someone matching your description just try to break into a woman’s house.”
    A second police officer stood next to me; white, tall, bearded. Two police cruisers passed and would continue to circle the block for the 35 minutes I was standing across the street from the burrito place.
    “You fit the description,” the officer said. “Black male, knit hat, puffy coat. Do you have identification.”
    “It’s in my wallet. May I reach into my pocket and get my wallet?”
    “Yeah.”

    I handed him my license. I told him it did not have my current address. He walked over to a police car. The other cop, taller, wearing sunglasses, told me that I fit the description of someone who broke into a woman’s house. Right down to the knit cap.
    Barbara Sullivan made a knit cap for me. She knitted it in pinks and browns and blues and oranges and lime green. No one has a hat like this. It doesn’t fit any description that anyone would have. I looked at the second cop. I clasped my hands in front of me to stop them from shaking.

    “For the record,” I said to the second cop, “I’m not a criminal. I’m a college professor.” I was wearing my faculty ID around my neck, clearly visible with my photo.
    “You fit the description so we just have to check it out.” The first cop returned and handed me my license.
    “We have the victim and we need her to take a look at you to see if you are the person.”

    It was at this moment that I knew that I was probably going to die. I am not being dramatic when I say this. I was not going to get into a police car. I was not going to present myself to some victim. I was not going let someone tell the cops that I was not guilty when I already told them that I had nothing to do with any robbery. I was not going to let them take me anywhere because if they did, the chance I was going to be accused of something I did not do rose exponentially. I knew this in my heart. I was not going anywhere with these cops and I was not going to let some white woman decide whether or not I was a criminal, especially after I told them that I was not a criminal. This meant that I was going to resist arrest. This meant that I was not going to let the police put their hands on me.

    If you are wondering why people don’t go with the police, I hope this explains it for you.
    Something weird happens when you are on the street being detained by the police. People look at you like you are a criminal. The police are detaining you so clearly you must have done something, otherwise they wouldn’t have you. No one made eye contact with me. I was hoping that someone I knew would walk down the street or come out of one of the shops or get off the 39 bus or come out of JP Licks and say to these cops, “That’s Steve Locke. What the F*CK are you detaining him for?”

    The cops decided that they would bring the victim to come view me on the street. The asked me to wait. I said nothing. I stood still.
    “Thanks for cooperating,” the second cop said. “This is probably nothing, but it’s our job and you do fit the description. 5′ 11″, black male. One-hundred-and-sixty pounds, but you’re a little more than that. Knit hat.”
    A little more than 160. Thanks for that, I thought.

    An older white woman walked behind me and up to the second cop. She turned and looked at me and then back at him. “You guys sure are busy today.”

    I noticed a black woman further down the block. She was small and concerned. She was watching what was going on. I focused on her red coat. I slowed my breathing. I looked at her from time to time.
    I thought: Don’t leave, sister. Please don’t leave.

    The first cop said, “Where do you teach?”
    “Massachusetts College of Art and Design.” I tugged at the lanyard that had my ID.
    “How long you been teaching there?”
    “Thirteen years.”

    We stood in silence for about 10 more minutes.
    An unmarked police car pulled up. The first cop went over to talk to the driver. The driver kept looking at me as the cop spoke to him. I looked directly at the driver. He got out of the car.
    “I’m Detective Cardoza. I appreciate your cooperation.”
    I said nothing.

    “I’m sure these officers told you what is going on?”
    “They did.”
    “Where are you coming from?”
    “From my home in Dedham.”
    “How did you get here?”
    “I drove.”
    “Where is your car?”
    “It’s in the lot behind Bukhara.” I pointed up Centre Street.
    “Okay,” the detective said. “We’re going to let you go. Do you have a car key you can show me?”
    “Yes,” I said. “I’m going to reach into my pocket and pull out my car key.”
    “Okay.”

    I showed him the key to my car.
    The cops thanked me for my cooperation. I nodded and turned to go.
    “Sorry for screwing up your lunch break,” the second cop said.
    I walked back toward my car, away from the burrito place. I saw the woman in red.
    “Thank you,” I said to her. “Thank you for staying.”
    “Are you ok?” She said. Her small beautiful face was lined with concern.
    “Not really. I’m really shook up. And I have to get to work.”
    “I knew something was wrong. I was watching the whole thing. The way they are treating us now, you have to watch them. ”
    “I’m so grateful you were there. I kept thinking to myself, ‘Don’t leave, sister.’ May I give you a hug?”
    “Yes,” she said. She held me as I shook. “Are you sure you are ok?”
    “No I’m not. I’m going to have a good cry in my car. I have to go teach.”
    “You’re at MassArt. My friend is at MassArt.”
    “What’s your name?” She told me. I realized we were Facebook friends. I told her this.
    “I’ll check in with you on Facebook,” she said.

    I put my head down and walked to my car.
    My colleague was in our shared office and she was able to calm me down. I had about 45 minutes until my class began and I had to teach. I forgot the lesson I had planned. I forget the schedule. I couldn’t think about how to do my job. I thought about the fact my word counted for nothing, they didn’t believe that I wasn’t a criminal. They had to find out. My word was not enough for them. My ID was not enough for them. My handmade one-of-a-kind knit hat was an object of suspicion. My Ralph Lauren quilted blazer was only a “puffy coat.” That white woman could just walk up to a cop and talk about me like I was an object for regard. I wanted to go back and spit in their faces. The cops were probably deeply satisfied with how they handled the interaction, how they didn’t escalate the situation, how they were respectful and polite.

    I imagined sitting in the back of a police car while a white woman decides if I am a criminal or not. If I looked guilty being detained by the cops imagine how vile I become sitting in a cruiser? I knew I could not let that happen to me. I knew if that were to happen, I would be dead.

    Nothing I am, nothing I do, nothing I have means anything because I fit the description.
    I had to confess to my students that I was a bit out of it today and I asked them to bear with me. I had to teach.

    After class I was supposed to go to the openings for First Friday. I went home."
    ~Steve Locke
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    ^ Clearly he was guilty and was lucky to have been let off - this black privilege crap is going too far . . . walking down the street dressed like a hoodlum

    . . . clearly

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    That's a gutting account. Thanks for sharing.

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    I visited some friends in LA three years ago, the husband is from Barbados, so him and the kids are quite dark. He taught his kids a long time ago that if the police ever tried to pull them over, they must never stop but drive to a well lit area where there are lots people around. He works for the county (I think) in schools maintenance. He told me that he pulls up outside a school in a white district and if he's there for five minutes, the cops are there having been called by some curtain twitching racist. He is one of the gentlest people you could ever meet.

    That is life for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    That is life for them.
    ...as we approach South African apartheid policing, that is life for many minorities of color...tRump brought white supremacy to the boil...it will take years calm folks down...

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I visited some friends in LA three years ago, the husband is from Barbados, so him and the kids are quite dark. He taught his kids a long time ago that if the police ever tried to pull them over, they must never stop but drive to a well lit area where there are lots people around. He works for the county (I think) in schools maintenance. He told me that he pulls up outside a school in a white district and if he's there for five minutes, the cops are there having been called by some curtain twitching racist. He is one of the gentlest people you could ever meet.

    That is life for them.
    Terrible thing to have to teach kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    That is life for them.
    Yup.

    A friend from the old days when I worked in San Jose, black as the ace of spades, works in the film industry as a sound engineer - lives ten minutes drive from the office and studios. Drives a VW Passat.
    He gets pulled over at least once a week on his way to or from work.

    Yup

    "That is life for them."

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    December 17, 2018

    This is a professor, who has the tools to articulate how this encounter affected him. He also has the age and wisdom that allowed for him to maintain his composure and not lose his life. Now, imagine a YOUNG Black person, who is not equipped with either:
    blah blah

    After class I was supposed to go to the openings for First Friday. I went home."
    ~Steve Locke
    oh FFS, what a ridiculous article

    I have been pulled over by dozens of cops in the US, even in the middle of the night, with police car surrounding and officers with their weapons drawn and ready to shoot, making blatant racist comments too, now that's scary

    they do routine check like that all the time in the story above, and yes it's annoying and intimidating, but having your hands shaking over this? are you telling me that guy never got stopped by cruisers in his life and this was his first time and he was shaking? and he is a college professor?

    I call bull over the whole story, it's just a writting essay for his art school
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    Butters, the victimisation of blacks by white police trash in the US is reaching epidemic proportions in the redneck states and the usual urban ghettoes. The only surefire way to bring it to an end is to actually prosecute the white scum vigorously and to ensure victims families are compensated by making both the police authority and the police officers concerned personally liable for damages. Also, the black community should organise itself into militias and when incidents such as this one occurs, and others where the police themselves have quite simply murdered innocent victims, they should take affirmative action by burning the police station down and stringing up a couple of cops on grounds of general principle. Sniping at the odd white patrolman simply to keep the fuckers honest wouldn't go amiss.

    You have to show strength in the face of intimidation and let the enemy know you mean business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I have been pulled over by dozens of cops in the US, even in the middle of the night, with police car surrounding and officers with their weapons drawn and ready to shoot, making blatant racist comments too, now that's scary
    Of course you have. Racist comments? Are you black . . . or Belgian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Butters, the victimisation of blacks by white police trash in the US is reaching epidemic proportions in the redneck states and the usual urban ghettoes. The only surefire way to bring it to an end is to actually prosecute the white scum vigorously and to ensure victims families are compensated by making both the police authority and the police officers concerned personally liable for damages. Also, the black community should organise itself into militias and when incidents such as this one occurs, and others where the police themselves have quite simply murdered innocent victims, they should take affirmative action by burning the police station down and stringing up a couple of cops on grounds of general principle. Sniping at the odd white patrolman simply to keep the fuckers honest wouldn't go amiss.

    You have to show strength in the face of intimidation and let the enemy know you mean business.
    the US have always been racist, and nothing will change that. There is nothing a black community can do to change that. Maybe time, that's all. American cops are pigs, they are usually idiots who do it for the power trip, basically ordinary citizens who think they are righteous and can clean up society in their own hands. How wrong they are.

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    Certainly, the qualification for entry into the ranks must be a simple exercise in establishing if they can count beyond the number of their digits and the ability to form a grammatically correct sentence of more than, say, five words.

    They really do come across as very, very stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Certainly, the qualification for entry into the ranks must be a simple exercise in establishing if they can count beyond the number of their digits and the ability to form a grammatically correct sentence of more than say five words.

    They really do come across as very, very stupid.
    and they are, it's one thing you learn very quickly when you are a full time resident in the US, is don't argue with the stupid cops or you will get shot

    black cops are even worse, trying to be better than their white counter parts in brutality and stupidity

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    They've just arrested and charged with murder the guy who filmed it. Which brings up the question why, if he's involved, did he release the footage at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    They've just arrested and charged with murder the guy who filmed it.
    That's weird but there was always something odd about the film to begin with: who just randomly films stuff whilst driving down the road.

    He was obviously involved to at least the extent he new the McMichael's were going to do something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Which brings up the question why, if he's involved, did he release the footage at all.
    Way I understand it is that Greg McMichael himself leaked it in order to quash some rumors that were going around.

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    ^ I agree. The whole thing about this “citizen’s arrest” video is strange. Sounding as if the two of them went with the intention of an arrest (or kidnapping?) while being filmed by their friend. Apparently, the sister of the shooter released photos of Arbery’s dead body on social media right after the incident. What the heck is up with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    They've just arrested and charged with murder the guy who filmed it. Which brings up the question why, if he's involved, did he release the footage at all.
    that haircut alone is reason enough to arrest him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    ^ I agree. The whole thing about this “citizen’s arrest” video is strange. Sounding as if the two of them went with the intention of an arrest (or kidnapping?) while being filmed by their friend. Apparently, the sister of the shooter released photos of Arbery’s dead body on social media right after the incident. What the heck is up with that?
    I imagine having got away with it (or so they thought) the hillbillies were riding high on that hog. It would have been all the talk at the hoedown.They'd have been telling that story over and over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I have been pulled over by dozens of cops in the US, even in the middle of the night, with police car surrounding and officers with their weapons drawn and ready to shoot, making blatant racist comments too, now that's scary
    What the fuck were you wearing at the time, a keffiyeh and suicide vest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    What the fuck were you wearing at the time, a keffiyeh and suicide vest?
    You don't believe that bullshit do you? No fucker listens to buttplug, even if he pestered a cop they'd probably tell him to fuck off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    What the fuck were you wearing at the time, a keffiyeh and suicide vest?
    Simply more of his homo-erotic fantasies

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