Russia bombs Turks in Syria, Turkey bombs Russians in Syria

**Chico** · 29-02-2020, 06:51 PM

Arry do you think I give a damn about American politics.

Just pointing out facts that it was the Obomba admin that caused the shit in Syria.

**harrybarracuda** · 01-03-2020, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Chico

Arry do you think I give a damn about American politics.

Just pointing out facts that it was the Obomba admin that caused the shit in Syria.

Christ on a bike, you really *are* a dumb fucker.

**Chico** · 01-03-2020, 03:02 PM

haha, let miss guess its was Russia or Trump.

**harrybarracuda** · 01-03-2020, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Chico

haha, let miss guess its was Russia or Trump.

You might as well guess because you clearly know fuck all.

**OhOh** · 01-03-2020, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

FFS defend a nato member even if the Turks are coonts.

Pray tell which NATO member is being attacked and under the authority of which articles of The North Atlantic Treaty?

NATO - Official text: The North Atlantic Treaty, 04-Apr.-1949

**Chico** · 01-03-2020, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You might as well guess because you clearly know fuck all.

Pity you can't back up your shit comments

**OhOh** · 01-03-2020, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If you think every Sunni in Syria is an "Islamic terrorist" then frankly you're a bit of a dopey twat.

The Syrian government opened corridors to safety to all. Very few took up the opportunity. Why, I'm sure you will enlighten us here on TD, when you have moment.

**OhOh** · 01-03-2020, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Plan B

That could make things interesting.

Do you really believe weapon suppliers sell arms to others that they dont have a kill switch for?

**panama hat** · 01-03-2020, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Pray tell which NATO member is being attacked and under the authority of which articles of The North Atlantic Treaty?

Issue raised already:

Originally Posted by panama hat

It is a defence pact, not a pact designed to wage war with another NATO member in other countries

You've returned . . . that was a short sojourn - welcome back

**OhOh** · 01-03-2020, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by panama hat

You missed this part?

The meeting of the NATO members have issued a statement.

Statement by the Secretary General after Article 4 consultations

28 Feb. 2020 -
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Press Release (2020) 029
Issued on 28 Feb. 2020
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Last updated: 28 Feb. 2020 12:33

"The North Atlantic Council has just met, following a request by Turkey to hold consultations under Article 4 of NATO’s founding Washington Treaty on the situation in Syria.

Under Article 4 of the Treaty, any Ally can request consultations whenever, in the opinion of any of them, their territorial integrity, political independence or security is threatened.

I spoke to the Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu last night about the situation in Syria, and he requested these consultations.

Allies offer their deepest condolences for the death of Turkish soldiers in last night’s bombing near Idlib.

Allies condemn the continued indiscriminate air strikes by the Syrian regime and its backer Russia in Idlib province.

We call on them to stop their offensive.

To respect international law.
And to back UN efforts for a peaceful solution. This dangerous situation must be deescalated to avoid further worsening of the horrendous humanitarian situation in the region, and to allow urgent humanitarian access for those trapped in Idlib. We urge an immediate return to the 2018 ceasefire.

Today’s meeting is a sign of solidarity with Turkey.

Turkey is the NATO Ally most affected by the terrible conflict in Syria, which has suffered the most terrorist attacks, and which hosts millions of refugees.

NATO continues to support Turkey with a range of measures, including by augmenting its air defences, which helps Turkey against the threat of missile attacks from Syria.

I thank Turkey for briefing Allies regularly on the situation in Syria.

Allies will continue to follow developments on the South-eastern border of NATO very closely."

NATO - News: Statement by the Secretary General after Article 4 consultations, 28-Feb.-2020

It appears that NATO countries are illegally continuing to support Turkey, with [un-specified] a range of measures and augmenting its air defences.

Note, Article 4, not Article 5.

The North Atlantic Treaty

Washington D.C. - 4 April 1949

04 Apr. 1949 -
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Last updated: 10 Apr. 2019 14:16

"Article 4

The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened."

None of the these "threats" have occurred.

"Article 5

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security ."

NATO - Official text: The North Atlantic Treaty, 04-Apr.-1949

No "armed attacks" have occurred in Europe or North America. Hence no actions can be undertaken legally.

Syria and 90%+ of Turkey are in Asia, the last time I checked.Turkey cannot be described as being in the North Atlantic area.

Of course NATO or one of it's members, or Israel who allegedly have offered, could act individually or they could all dump the North Atlantic Treaty.

Which some here, who seem not appalled by, but would appear to support such actions.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I would be ecstatic if they killed each other. It would be a great stride forward for mankind.

**panama hat** · 01-03-2020, 07:51 PM

Ah, the obfuscation and deflection is back. Nice

**sabang** · 01-03-2020, 08:13 PM

Cold comfort, e'hh. You are on your own Turkey- mainly because your President is a turkey. But you elected him.

**harrybarracuda** · 01-03-2020, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Chico

Pity you can't back up your shit comments

I could back them up, but it's been covered here extensively, so be a good little twat and go and google:

1. US Invasion of Iraq 2003
2. Birth of Islamic State
3. Arab Spring
4. Syria tortures kids over graffiti

Then, when you've actually fucking learned something, we'll discuss it.

**harrybarracuda** · 01-03-2020, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Suitably vague as to justify a few airstrikes on the Russian and Syrian butchers.

**harrybarracuda** · 01-03-2020, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

The Syrian government opened corridors to safety to all. Very few took up the opportunity. Why, I'm sure you will enlighten us here on TD, when you have moment.

I can only assume you are kidding. They have been bombed out of their homes and many of them have ended up in Idlib having been bombed out of everywhere else, too.

They have nowhere to hide from indiscriminate bombing (and bombing that deliberately targeted hospitals too).

Yes, HoHo, Putin and Assad didn't stop being murderous arseholes while you were away sulking.

**Chico** · 01-03-2020, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I could back them up, but it's been covered here extensively, so be a good little twat and go and google:

1. US Invasion of Iraq 2003
2. Birth of Islamic State
3. Arab Spring
4. Syria tortures kids over graffiti

Then, when you've actually fucking learned something, we'll discuss it.

You do realise the thread is about Syria?

Forget about the past, arry boy, the war has changed or haven't you noticed yet?

**harrybarracuda** · 01-03-2020, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by Chico

You do realise the thread is about Syria?

Forget about the past, arry boy, the war has changed or haven't you noticed yet?

You really are a window licker.

Originally Posted by Chico (Russia bombs Turks in Syria, Turkey bombs Russians in Syria)

Just pointing out facts that it was the Obomba admin that caused the shit in Syria.

It seems that you have the attention span of a retarded gnat with ADHD to go with it.

**PlanK** · 02-03-2020, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Do you really believe weapon suppliers sell arms to others that they dont have a kill switch for?

From statements like that I believe you believe everything you see in Hollywood movies.

Don't take it too badly, a lot of people believe that stuff. Post up some links to fake news to make yourself feel better.

**OhOh** · 02-03-2020, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I can only assume you are kidding.

SOP for the Syrian government. Reduces the numbers of refugees and increases the numbers of government soldiers.

Possibly not reported on your selective news feeds.

**harrybarracuda** · 02-03-2020, 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

SOP for the Syrian government. Reduces the numbers of refugees and increases the numbers of government soldiers.

Possibly not reported on your selective news feeds.

I don't have selected news feeds, like your dual bookmarks folders: "Chinky propaganda" and "Putin propaganda".

You really should try something else.

Meanwhile Assad shot down a Turkish drone, in response to which Turkey has shot down two Syrian planes and bombed a Syrian airbase.

Which is nice.

Turkey shoots down two Syrian fighter jets over Idlib | Syria News | Al Jazeera

**jabir** · 02-03-2020, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Pray tell which NATO member is being attacked and under the authority of which articles of The North Atlantic Treaty?

NATO - Official text: The North Atlantic Treaty, 04-Apr.-1949

NATO mutual defence articles do not apply when a member is the aggressor.

**jabir** · 02-03-2020, 09:46 AM

And I really don't think Trump (read NATO) wants to face off with Russia, esp not in election year.

**Klondyke** · 02-03-2020, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by jabir

NATO mutual defence articles do not apply when a member is the aggressor.

As if the "defence" articles have been ever cared about...

**jabir** · 02-03-2020, 11:43 AM

Ah yes, that's a point, it'll be the election year then.

**Dragonfly** · 02-03-2020, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by jabir

NATO mutual defence articles do not apply when a member is the aggressor.

in theory, but that didn't work for Iraq and Afghanistan

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