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    UK shuts the door to unskilled migrants

    Of course the Labour party are upset, Blair et all spent most of their time trying to fill the UK with foreign labour voters.

    LONDON — The U.K. government will not create a visa route for low-skilled migrants and temporary workers in its post-Brexit immigration system, which will give “top priority” to those with the highest skills, including scientists, engineers and academics.
    A policy paper published Tuesday evening outlines plans for a new points-based system after EU freedom of movement ends in December. The report said employers “will need to adjust” to not being able to recruit unskilled workers from Europe.

    “We need to shift the focus of our economy away from a reliance on cheap labour from Europe and instead concentrate on investment in technology and automation. Employers will need to adjust,” the paper said.
    “It is important that employers move away from a reliance on the U.K.’s immigration system as an alternative to investment in staff retention, productivity and wider investment in technology and automation.”
    Carolyn Fairbairn, director-general of the employers’ group CBI, said firms in the care, construction, hospitality, food and drink sectors could be most affected.
    “In some sectors firms will be left wondering how they will recruit the people needed to run their businesses,” she said. “Firms know that hiring from overseas and investing in the skills of their workforce and new technologies is not an ‘either or’ choice — both are needed to drive the economy forward.”
    The report recognizes the proposals represent “a significant change” for employers in the U.K., but pointed to a group of about 170,000 recently arrived non-EU citizens working in low-skilled occupations, saying this kind of workforce will continue to be available.
    It added that U.K. employers could also recruit low-skilled workers from among those Europeans already in the country, and restated the government’s commitment to quadruple the pilot scheme for seasonal workers in agricultural jobs to 10,000 places.
    Points-based system

    According to the paper, skilled migrants from the EU and elsewhere wishing to work in Britain will need to demonstrate that they have a job offer from an approved sponsor; that the job offer is at the required skill level (A level minimum), and that they speak English. They will be able to make an application for a visa if, in addition to this, they meet the minimum salary threshold — which the government plans to lower from £30,000 to £25,600.
    However, the salary threshold will not be a hard stop. As long as applicants earn £20,480 or more, they may still be able to live in the U.K. if they can demonstrate that they have a job offer in an occupation judged to be most needed, or if they have a Ph.D. relevant to the job.
    The Migration Advisory Committee, an independent body reporting to the Home Office, will produce a shortage occupation list detailing all jobs covered by the points-based system. This will make it easier for the government to address shortages in the NHS, for instance.
    Meanwhile, the most highly skilled will be able to enter the U.K. without a job offer if they are endorsed by a relevant body and they can achieve the required level of points.
    The Home Office also floated plans for an even broader route — with no endorsement from an organization at all — that would allow a small number of the most highly-skilled workers to move to the U.K. without a job offer, but the department warned this additional route is likely to be capped and “will take longer to implement.”

    The points-based system will be introduced next January, but the Home Office expects that it will be refined, both in the coming months and after it is implemented. The government pledged to reduce the time it takes for work visas to be granted to eight weeks.
    Most EU citizens will be issued an electronic visa and will need to use an online checking service to demonstrate their right to be in the U.K. when applying for a job or using public services. This is likely to become a contentious issue after campaigners for the rights of EU citizens criticized the EU Settlement Scheme for not providing physical evidence of status.
    Innovators, ministers of religion, sportspeople, artists and entertainers from the EU will fall outside the points-based system, and will instead be allowed to apply to visit the U.K. through existing routes that already apply to non-EU specialists. Europeans visiting the U.K. for up to six months will be able to travel without a visa, but will not be allowed to work.
    Labour's Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott criticized the plan, saying it would be harder for U.K. firms to attract the workers they need at all skill levels.
    “This isn’t an ‘Australian points-based system,’ which is a meaningless government soundbite," she said. "It's a salary threshold system, which will need to have so many exemptions, for the NHS, for social care and many parts of the private sector, that it will be meaningless."

    https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-shuts-door-unskilled-migrants/

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    they should give voting rights to all those immigrants

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    they should give voting rights to all those immigrants
    FUCK that shit.

    And yes, it is an 'Australian points-based system' ... which IS a good thing
    “Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago”

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    Wouldn't the basic difference be that the Australian system is geared towards immigration/PR/Citizenship, not a limited-time work/skills program?

    Asking, as I don't know
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    Upto until the 70's Australians referred to themselves as Pom's.
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    Just asking the supposed teacher if he is a teacher,as anything more than ten syllables and he's fucked.

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    I don't know either, but you can't help but notice plenty of unskilled immigrants already in the UK. A moratorium is in order, before they start making bombs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    FUCK that shit.

    And yes, it is an 'Australian points-based system' ... which IS a good thing
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Wouldn't the basic difference be that the Australian system is geared towards immigration/PR/Citizenship, not a limited-time work/skills program?

    Asking, as I don't know
    The UK needs a proactive emigration and deportation programme, not a path to citizenship. Something more like Switzerland, where you have a robust and open work-permit system and after 10 years of proactive integration, you apply to get voted into citizenship by the local electorate of a Canton/County. One reason for resentment over mass-immigration is that the local population have effectively had no participation in decisions that affect them directly, just been lied to by left-wing governments, and then treated paternalistically and dismissively by left-wing governments, and that has a lot to do with the rejection of the EU and of Labour... these are elitest paternalistic projects where the economic impact on left-wing voters has been utterly disregarded, and the appropriate response is increased subsidiarity within the country itself on this issue. That's the message of the last general election. No more wealthy lefties paying for legal processes to undermine democracy.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuRY1skaH4M

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo
    left-wing governments...left-wing governments...left-wing voters...lefties paying for legal processes to undermine democracy.
    Basically self-parody at this point.

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    I think it's a good idea, but, the farmers may disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Attilla the Hen
    the farmers may disagree.
    Similar to NZ then but I think they use seasonal and/or temporary visas to assist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Similar to NZ then but I think they use seasonal and/or temporary visas to assist.
    But does NZ have a big problem with economic migrants overstaying their visas and working illegally for a pittance?

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    The UK's highly developed food processing sector, catering industry, market gardening and crop harvesting sector and care industry are all reliant on migrant labour to function at the levels they do.

    The only thing that will change in the future is that instead of employing EU migrants Britain will return to the use of the third and emerging world. It is one thing to say such migrants will now be sifted into a system of tiering to determine whether or not their employment residence will qualify them for permanent status and to actually implement it.

    I cannot see the EU migrants seeking work in the UK if it ultimately fails to confer residence permitting settlement except for those looking for holiday employment and to refine their English skills. Inevitably, it seems that Britain will be importing Asians and Africans to do this work in numbers that most likely will equate to over 200,000.

    That'll be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    But does NZ have a big problem with economic migrants overstaying their visas and working illegally for a pittance?
    A problem yes but I certainly wouldn't call it a big one.

    We did have one of our first cases of modern slavery make its way through the Courts recently though so maybe we're catching up on shit.

    What's the actual extent of the issue in the UK anyways -- i.e. not the Daily Mail take on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I don't know either, but you can't help but notice plenty of unskilled immigrants already in the UK. A moratorium is in order, before they start making bombs.
    And how does one spot an unskilled migrant?

    You fucking, stupid bigoted moron.

    The Welsh look like everyone else, innit, dumbo!

    Har, har.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    A problem yes but I certainly wouldn't call it a big one.

    We did have one of our first cases of modern slavery make its way through the Courts recently though so maybe we're catching up on shit.

    What's the actual extent of the issue in the UK anyways -- i.e. not the Daily Mail take on it.
    Most "illegal" migrants stem from historical flows that have accrued over the years but who have not been regularised, removed or encountered since their arrival but include clandestines, those who entered without leave or by deception, overstayers and failed asylum seekers. By definition, they cannot be accurately calculated but estimates vary in the 500,000 - 750,000 mark. Obviously, they do not figure significantly in the labour market and in truth represent little threat to society except to knuckle-dragging Brexit morons giving the bigoted racist element a boost in th popularity stakes.
    Personally, I much prefer the illegal migrant to the lower end Brit scum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    you can't help but notice plenty of unskilled immigrants already in the UK.
    When was the last time you noticed 'plenty of unskilled immigrants' in the UK, and what was the giveaway?

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    The fact unskilled wages arnt rising above minimum wage, in a boyant economy,
    And the productivity puzzle is still a thing, ie plentiful cheap labour means no need to bother increasing productivity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    FUCK that shit.
    you seem upset, dwindling repo points dave.

    profanity in all caps...and in red.

    and all about a country that isn't your own.

    so your anger is about the immigrants themselves, isn't it?

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    There are an estimated 800,000-1,200,000 illegal immigrants in the UK.

    How about offering them an amnesty and a working visa to fill these positions?

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    What positions? Most if not all are unskilled filth
    Many probably have a national insurance number and are working in plain sight
    How about putting them in secure pleasant work camps, they get no pay, work 60 hours a week and are free to fuck off back to their home country anytime they choose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Wouldn't the basic difference be that the Australian system is geared towards immigration/PR/Citizenship, not a limited-time work/skills program?

    Asking, as I don't know
    PH, back in 2009 you was an Aussie what the fek are you now?

    Kiwi?
    Ant roberston?
    European?
    English?

    Last edited by Chico; 19-02-2020 at 11:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    £20,480
    That is really low
    How much is the minimum wage in the UK ?

    (we do not have government set minimum wages,cause the Unions have support here)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    PH, back in 2009 you was an Aussie what the fek are you now?

    Kiwi?
    Ant roberston?
    European?
    English?
    Only Thailand born poster on this Forum ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Booth View Post
    What positions? Most if not all are unskilled filth
    Many probably have a national insurance number and are working in plain sight
    How about putting them in secure pleasant work camps, they get no pay, work 60 hours a week and are free to fuck off back to their home country anytime they choose.
    All very well with the tongue in cheek but...

    ...that silly document, the Magna Carta, sort of, well, forbids such shit. Such a quaint bit of Englishness that is lost to a bunch of fucking retards like you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Booth
    What positions? Most if not all are unskilled filth
    So your concern is that they'll undercut you and take your work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    you was an

    And you want to be an English teacher . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Kiwi?
    Not yet, end of the year

    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Ant roberston?
    Umm, sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    European?
    Is that a nationality? But if it simplifies things for your simple mind - yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    English?
    No, I have good teeth and wash regularly

    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    PH, back in 2009 you was an Aussie what the fek are you now?
    How thick are you? Very.



    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Only Thailand born poster on this Forum ?
    Jaysusssss, helge - if chico understands that you've just made his little mind blow
    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Upto until the 70's Australians referred to themselves as Pom's.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Just asking the supposed teacher if he is a teacher,as anything more than ten syllables and he's fucked.

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